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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#46. To: Turtle (#43)
"White culture?" That's a pretty low bar in the first place, and is, in its current state, nothing to which one would wish to aspire. (I can almost guess the upcoming rejoinder). Your generalities are a sign that you're a lazy thinker. That may not be true, but evidence is accumulating to support that hypothesis. Which particular shining example of "white culture" would you like to hang your argument on today? Lindsey Lohan?
O_I is not looking for truth or even an opinion. He is looking for a slap on the back called, self-aggrandizing. Of all those that call names on this forum, O_I is the least offensive. Most of his posts are reasoned and learned even if you don't agree with him. Several times I have disagreed with him or had contrary exchanges on minor points. It is always done with intelligence, at least on his part, and respect. I agree with O_I on most every issue yet you would not use the above wording against me. Personally I think everyone should return to adult decorum.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Er, that's "Gran Torino" although some do find that auto grand. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Although off-point and a distraction, your claims of "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" will be rebutted herein just to show how defective your fact-finding and mental processing apparatus are. During October 2004, Bin Ladin himself appeared on al Al Qaeda TV broadcast addressing this issue and explicitly said that if this were the case, why did al Qaeda not attack Sweden? OBL then went on to explicitly say that US support of Israel was the cause of the 911 attacks, and no other factor. Your response? Deny that the speaker was OBL, citing your own self attributed pud-pulling analytical expertise, and instead attribute the interview to some vague amorphus gubmint "official story" conspiracy - even though the last thing any "official story" will say is that US support of Israel has caused 911. Typical, however. (2) Your OBL "mountain caves" were actually skillfully designed and engineered fighting emplacements and weapons storage sites, intended to protect Afghan guerilla supply routes from Pakistan from incessant Soviet bombing and spetsnaz Special Forces attacks. OBL spent millions of his own and family's money blasting these projects from solid granite, and they were rather successful making Societ air attacks useless, and Soviet Special Forces attacks quite costly. The effect of OBL's "caves" was similar to Hizbollah's "caves" on Israel's 2006 invasion of Southern Lebanon. The vaunted IDF took too many hits and was forced to rethink what it intended to do. Unfortunately for OBL, in 2001 the US was able to counter his cave advantages by repeatedly sending precision satellite bombs down the vents, one after another until a big enough hole was made, and also using precision thermobaric weapons which killed people inside through blast pressure and sucking oxygen from their lungs. The American technological developments in "cave-busting" are the only factors keeping OBL from living in his "caves" to this day. But far from being an ignorant 7th century madman, Bin Ladin was able to develop defensive techniques using modern construction and millions of dollars that worked in 1 war and required a major technological effort to overcome in another. So your "Straw Man offical story" projections begin and end only within your own limited brainspace. They have no relevance to what anybody else is saying or thinking outside your own empty noggin. (3) Far from being ignorant cave-dwellers, the 911 hijacker ringleaders were educated and the principal leader was cited by several instructors as excellent student. OBL did not direct or control them. He couldn't. They lived abroad in free Western societies. As OBL himself says in an interview that you yourself will deny ever happened, OBL gives his role as inspiring others, not directing them, and also providing any needed logistics to do those plans they come up with and attempt to carry out personally. So once again your "Straw Man offical story" projections become null and void once any space beyond your own head is considered. And a brain.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
Then why does half the world want to move to the US? You know what Africans in Africa are now doing when they see a white man, after they ran the whites out? "Boss, give me a job."
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Believe whatever seems prudent to you. Your ignorance is irremediable.
Have I ever called O_I other than his preferred Internet handle? Please look my posting style up as you have time. Here is how O_I addresses me in his fucked upped posts: Just a few of the twit's posts directing some harangue towards and about me.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
As would I, but the kooks cannot allow their fantasies and myths to be questioned rationally without going into neurotic hyperventilation. And facts drive them even more berserk.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Avoid the question, engage in ad hominem attacks. Pwned.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Which has been shown repeatedly to be a fraudulent tape of some actor, who does not even look like a close resemblance to the real Bin Laden, hired to make a bad PsyOps video to justify government actions in murdering millions of people. Since most of the rest of your drivel depends on that phony tape it is not worthy of any further comment.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Avoid the question, engage in ad hominem attacks. . Now Turdle is using the misspelled malapropism. I guess he wants to demonstrate he ain't ignern't. Whatever.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Turtle, you were that kid who was always throwing rocks at the beehive, weren't you?
Of course, on this very thread: Believe whatever seems prudent to you. Your ignorance is irremediable. Avoid the question, engage in ad hominem attacks. Pwned. Now Turdle is using the misspelled malapropism. I guess he wants to demonstrate he ain't ignern't. Whatever. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator Original_Intent posted on 2010-07-09 15:24:17 ET O_I is a complete fuckup: ATTACKING ANYONE THAT DEFIES HIS OPIN.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Got links other than Alex Jones?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I wasn't there, I didn't see it with my own eyes, therefore I don't have an informed opinion, let alone conviction, as to what may or may not have caused the demise of WT7.
__________________________________________________________ I don't argue with the retarded guy on Main street who sells the local paper and mumbles to himself about invisible things. Does that mean he "pwns" me? Hardly. Same with you. You've decided that the bulk of the world's evils can be laid at the feet of 'dem ebil darkies, lawdy mercy'. That gets as tiresome as 'the evil Jews/Zionists/Build-a-Burgers are responsible for my life turning to shit' stuff. Your vacation threads are mildly amusing. The rest of you, sad to say, is just dumb.
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead [FOX News] Earth to bucktard! Bin Laden video fake: Here in an analysis of the BIN LADEN VIDEO by Mike Rivero at WhatReallyHappened (it just so happens that is how he makes his living i.e., doing video special effects so he is an expert and knows what he is looking at). "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Real problems also include the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the wide open southern border and lack of enforcement of immigration laws, corruption, and police state ideology. What are YOU doing to deal with those things? Blaming people who care more about it all than you ever will? This is why I can't stand morons who would rather accept lies and launch ridicule upon those who don't, than open their eyes and accept reality.
Thank you. Of course buckie is not really interested in anything resembling the truth, but he cannot say it is not out there.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
When have you offered anything other than mind_speak or conspiracy theories to suggest "truth" based upon fact? I can't think of anytime.... perhaps, you can suggest a time and a place wherein your egocentric mirrored persona was out of the way?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Prove that the conspiracy theory of 19 arabs hating us for our freedoms actually pulled off the 9/11 attacks. Where's the evidence?
Uh, buck if you didn't insist on coming a'gunnin' fore' me I wouldn't shoot back. I know you might find that difficult to compehend, but I don't go out of my way to start flame wars. Although, as you can see, I can singe pretty good when provoked. So, you mess weeth thee bool you get thee horns.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Don't bring darts to a gunfight, to use a popular colloquial, cliché.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Whatever. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I can't. The way you phrased the question ensures there is no response from me. Still, I question why you would phrase a question like that. You are using popular colloquial expressions assuming I will pong your ping in a way that you can play. Have you lost your mind?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh, I made a little grammer mistake, sorry I was in a rush. Here, can you answer this modified version? Prove that the conspiracy theory of 19 arabs who hated us for our freedoms actually pulled off the 9/11 attacks. Where's the evidence?
I pray you don't take issue with my posts such that you lose sight of my regard for you. I think you are an awesome poster; perhaps one of the best that I have met on any forum under the Sun; you are very persuasive and capable of intelligent, deliberate opinion. The difference between you and me is that you don't add any facts to support or otherwise substantiate your posts; you add hearsay and innuendo to support your perspective. And that same issue is your very own Achilles tendon.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Thank you for the kind words. And point granted on not documenting. In part it is because I read so much, and am blessed with a good memory, that often I write on the fly without stopping to nail down references which I'll admit is a bad habit, and as well when I was posting on El Pee I learned that a lot of the people who attacked me were simply attacking and could care less about documentation which they would not read even when I did post it. As well, all modesty aside, a lot of times when I post an analysis it was one I did myself and so the reference IS me. Not to give myself airs but I have a large vocabulary thanks to having a sesquipedalian mother with a love of word play and people sometimes mistake my polysyllabic preferences for snobbery when it's just the way I talk and write all the time. They gave me hell in the service over it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Osama bin Laden did HATE US foreign intervention policy. He initiated al-Qaida after the Taliban in Afghanistan. Why? US foreign intervention policy during the 80's with the esteemed Ronny Reagan calling the Afghani's 'freedom fighters' against USSR intrusion. And afterward, that is, after the WIN, the US stopped support. America does not have a coherent international set of policies and procedures concerning methods of ANYTHING. An empire can not be made based on democracy; it is a total lie and fabrication from little purple faeries whispering in one your ears that understand America is as GREAT as it once was. America is all about political knee-jerk reactions anymore; meanwhile the rest of the world is winning a better life style while we are stuck with enormous debt and a failing economy.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
A LOT of people hate US foreign policy. Thing is, none of them had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Bin Laden denounced those attacks, and did NOT accept responsibilty for them, except in videos created AFTER the time he is said to have passed away. It's pretty obvious those later videos utilized imposters.
Got link? Please no Alex Jones and conspiracy web sites.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Just a few of the twit's posts directing some harangue towards and about me. Hmmm, you think I just made this crap up? Mind you I think all are guilty. Even me on occasion.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." sounds good to me.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Pot meet kettle.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." You are never guilty. You are too factually based to be part of some GRAND conspiracy theory.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I agree - these are two different people.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" LOL love your sarcasm.
Name calling is juvenile.
Already posted in post 62.
Including a lot of Americans. Our government's foreign policy is foreign to the best interests of the United States. They would have done well to heed the words of wisdom of the founders about entangling alliances. "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none." How much clearer could they have made it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The attack on this woman is a terrible, sad tragedy. To associate this crime with people who care enough about their world that they will devote themselves to exposing a State crime (that is, 9/11) is just wrong and quite sad as well. Your self hatred for your inability to see the truth about 9/11 is quite sickening and obvious to most posters here.
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#47. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#45)
Why don't you address your message to O_I, the channel DOOM&GLOOM conspiracy perpetrator? O_I is often obnoxious, lying out his teeth and acting as a whoremonger for anything but the truth.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#48. To: Turtle (#36)
#49. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#24)
(Edited)
I take it you guys are trying to divert from the other thread where you had your heads handed to you on that stupid conspiracy theory about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" being directed by a mad mullah in a cave in the remote mountains of far Afghanistan with his Magic Cellphone© that were able to hijack 4 airliners
(1) Your "Arabs hate us for our freedoms" mythology is a perfect example of how you project your own mental limitations and ***Straw Man Arguemnts*** onto others who dispute you.
Get a life.
#50. To: Samuel Gray (#46)
"White culture?" That's a pretty low bar in the first place, and is, in its current state, nothing to which one would wish to aspire. (I can almost guess the upcoming rejoinder).
#51. To: Turtle (#50)
#52. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, AGAviator (#47)
Of all those that call names on this forum, O_I is the least offensive.
Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human? (#270) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2010-07-08 20:41:26 From: Original_Intent To: wudidiz, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit
In 1903, Cabalist Banker Prophesied Gulf Apocalypse (#22) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2010-06-20 21:03:57 From: Original_Intent To: wudidiz, farmfriend, christine, Nostradumbass, buckeroo, all
Is the BP Gusher Unstoppable? (#30) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2010-06-18 17:53:07 From: Original_Intent To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckie the government shill, buckie the disinformationist, knothead, christine, abraxas, farmfriend, James Deffenbach, Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, randge, all
#53. To: farmfriend (#47)
Personally I think everyone should return to adult decorum.
#54. To: Samuel Gray (#51)
Believe whatever seems prudent to you. Your ignorance is irremediable.
#55. To: AGAviator, all (#49)
During October 2004, Bin Ladin himself appeared on al Al Qaeda TV broadcast addressing this issue and explicitly said that if this were the case, why did al Qaeda not attack Sweden? OBL then went on to explicitly say that US support of Israel was the cause of the 911 attacks, and no other factor.
#56. To: Samuel Gray, Turdle, Turtle (#54)
Believe whatever seems prudent to you. Your ignorance is irremediable.
#57. To: Turtle (#0)
Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
#58. To: farmfriend (#47)
Of all those that call names on this forum, O_I is the least offensive.
#56. To: Samuel Gray, Turdle, Turtle (#54)
#59. To: Original_Intent (#55)
Which has been shown repeatedly to be a fraudulent tape of some actor, who does not even look like a close resemblance to the real Bin Laden, hired to make a bad PsyOps video to justify government actions in murdering millions of people.
#60. To: Eric Stratton (#30)
So you think that WT7 fell all by itself and that the "early" mention of it in the media prior to it actually falling was pure coincidence, eh?
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#61. To: Turtle (#54)
#62. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#59)
Got links other than Alex Jones?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, Samuel Gray, James Deffenbach, Turdle, FormerLurker, all (#59)
Earth to bucktard!
Do you read me bucktard?
There is such a thing as a SEARCH ENGINE if you were really interested in the truth or learning anything - which you are not. However, here is one link out of the 6,149,797 responses to my search terms. 47 unique top-ten pages selected from at least matching results
#64. To: Turtle (#0)
These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, all (#62)
#66. To: Original_Intent (#65)
#67. To: buckeroo (#66)
When have you offered anything other than mind_speak or conspiracy theories to suggest "truth" based upon fact?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
#69. To: Original_Intent (#68)
Uh, buck if you didn't insist on coming a'gunnin' fore' me I wouldn't
shoot play darts, back.
#70. To: buckeroo (#69)
#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Prove that the conspiracy theory of 19 arabs hating us for our freedoms actually pulled off the 9/11 attacks. Where's the evidence?
#72. To: buckeroo (#71)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: Original_Intent (#70)
#74. To: buckeroo (#73)
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
#76. To: buckeroo (#75)
Osama bin Laden did HATE US foreign intervention policy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: FormerLurker (#76)
#78. To: buckeroo (#52)
Have I ever called O_I other than his preferred Internet handle?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#79. To: Original_Intent (#53)
but the kooks cannot allow their fantasies and myths to be questioned rationally without going into neurotic hyperventilation. And facts drive them even more berserk.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#80. To: buckeroo (#58)
O_I is a complete fuckup: ATTACKING ANYONE THAT DEFIES HIS OPIN.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#81. To: farmfriend (#78)
Hmmm ....
#82. To: Original_Intent (#14)
The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same.
#83. To: buckeroo (#81)
You are too factually based to be part of some GRAND conspiracy theory.
#84. To: buckeroo (#77)
Got link? Please no Alex Jones and conspiracy web sites.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: FormerLurker (#76)
A LOT of people hate US foreign policy.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#86. To: Turtle, Original_Intent, christine, all (#0)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
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