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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#652. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#647)
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It is your own cultural backwardness, hubris, and ignorance, which projects a "cave dweller" mentality onto Bin Laden, when OBL is in fact an ascetic, extremely intelligent and disciplined, and religiously dogmatic per his own interpretations of Koran. And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. OBL has lost tactical battles here and there, but is fully proceeding on his strategic plan to catalyze the economic collapse of America ala the former Soviet Union, instigate the collapse of America's leading role as a principal determinant in world affairs, and cause America end up with a fragmented society within which further attacks will be possible. OBL has never claimed to be the head of a major force. He sees al Qaida as providing motivating, ideological, and sometimes logistical support where needed. There is no evidence he is dead, and people who have known him far better than the TV and intenet fixated boobs, say he is war-gaming the next associates' attacks to be even more spectacular than the 911 incidents. And following his past forms, he has given public warning which he believes he is obligated by the Koran to do. Just as he gave continuing warnings about 911 after the 1998 destructions of the 2 US African embassies. And he is in no great rush, not wishing his acolytes to make the same mistakes which caused the 911 attacks to be less than 100% successful as planned. 2008: OBL Planning Greater Attacks Against US And, a former senior Yemeni al-Qaeda operative said, the terrorist organisation has entered a "positive phase", reinforcing specific training camps around the world that will lead the next "wave of action" against the West. The warning, on the front page of an Arabic newspaper published in London, Al- Quds Al-Arabi - and reported widely in the major Italian papers - quotes a person described as being "very close to al-Qaeda" in Yemen. The paper is edited by Abdel al-Bari Atwan, who is said to have been the last journalist to interview bin Laden, in 1996. Bin Laden is himself closely following preparations for an attack against the US and aims to "change the face of world politics and economics", the report says. The former operative is quoted as saying that "this will be shown by the fact that we now control a major part of the south of Somalia". He says he remains in contact with current chiefs of the organisation in Yemen and that, only six months ago, bin Laden sent a message to all jihad cells in the Arab world, asking them not to interact with their governments or local political parties The source also said that, during the next few days, the terrorist organisation might send a sign of its violent intentions. The warning has emerged at the same time as publication of a report leaked to London's Telegraph newspaper, which reveals that a document drawn up by the intelligence branch of the Ministry of Defence says that thousands of extremists are active in Britain. The document says the operatives are predominantly British-born and aged between 18 and 30. Many are believed to have been trained in overseas terrorist camps. Security officials are convinced al-Qaeda cells will attempt another "spectacular" inside Britain with major transport centres, such as airports and train stations, the most likely targets, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
AGGravator: And of course not addressed by Original_Indent is the fact that 3 separate stewardesses made phone calls describing "Middle Eastern" passengers and giving their seat numbers, which were recorded. And the fact some 30 passengers made cell phone calls between takeover and crashes, including Barbara Olson, describing the attacks, the injuries and deaths caused by the attackers, and in the case of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, plans by some rugby and football players to rush the cockpit and go head to head with the "muscle" hijackers who were supposed to control the passengers, to overpower the hijackers and get back control. Diversionary tactic. You did not address my point. It is a neat ploy - a casual glance might lead the casual observer to conclude the point was being addressed but it was not. What do so called, technically impossible at the time, "cell phone calls*" have to do with how the FBI was able to identify 19 alleged hijackers by the afternoon of 9-12 whose names did not appear on the Passenger Manifests nor were their images captured on any Airport Surveillance Videos? The answer is of course nothing. It is nothing more than rhetorical sleight of hand to avoid the point while substituting another more manageable topic. I'm not biting. As well a Stewardess call describing "Middle Eastern" passengers is again a "will o' the wisp" as when one analyzes it for actual information content it is simply a physical description with no other essential identifying information. "Middle Eastern" looking is such a large universe of individuals, well over a billion people, that it is at best nothing more than a starting point which tells us nothing as to the identity of the hijackers. That is before we even get to the technical impossibilities of the alleged calls which I am not going into as there is ream upon ream of information regarding the dubious reports of calls. There are so many contradictions that have since come out as to render them valueless as evidence of much of anything. Just as amusing was Orrin Hatch's pronouncement, on the Capitol Steps, the evening of 911 that this had to be the work of the nefarious *Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You forgot how he clicked his heels three times and told Toto, his camel, that they weren't in Mecca anymore. LOL! "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
One of the events immediately after 9/11 was the 9/12 flyout of the Saudi Bin Ladin family PRIVATE JET back to Saudi Arabia. It was the only private plane to fly in the entire nation that day. The order to allow that civilian flight EXCEPTION during that historic flight restriction WHEN NO AMERICAN PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL flights could fly came from whose authority?
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
AGGravator: It is your own cultural backwardness, hubris, and ignorance, which projects a "cave dweller" mentality onto Bin Laden, when OBL is in fact an ascetic, extremely intelligent and disciplined, and religiously dogmatic per his own interpretations of Koran. And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. Oh, spare me. Of course to sell the suckers Osama, Tim Osman, Bin Laden has to be built up as this mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's "Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu". Of course wasting time on on this line of unreasoning is just that - a waste of time because I am not disputing that Osama Bin Laden was not a very intelligent man. What I am disputing is that he did not have the wherewithal to pull off this monstrous Psychological Operation to create a Psychological Framework where the general citizenry of the U.S. could be sold a series of wars, costing many lives and much treasure, that was not in their best interests. I'm not buying what you're selling, and I am not going to waste my time by explaining for you in words of one syllable why your post is so fiendishly funny.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It was the only private plane to fly in the entire nation that day. The order to allow that civilian flight EXCEPTION during that historic flight restriction WHEN NO AMERICAN PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL flights could fly came from whose authority? Yes another piece in the puzzle that does not fit with the "Official Fairy Tale™". No one has ever really given a convincing reason for it nor who gave the order and how fast it occurred. It is like one of Imus's "What doesn't fit and why?" routines.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oh, spare me. Of course to sell the suckers Osama, Tim Osman, Bin Laden has to be built up as this mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's "Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu". Of course wasting time on on this line of unreasoning is just that - a waste of time Name one person who has publicly announced, over more than two decades, his visceral dislike of US policies, his subsequently inspired successful attacks around the world including and not limited to American military forces, the escalating nature of these attacks with each new "operation" being more complex and causing more casualties and damage than the last, and his 2004 prediction that America is headed towards bankruptcy which we're staring in the face 6 years later. And all this is proceeding - including but not limited to bankruptcy and nation implosion - in spite of OBL's being a man without a state, without an army, and a will-of-the-wisp organization that has no formal base. And the ability to use pragmatic, low tech, effective tactics to make these killings and bombings work at minimal cost to his side and massive cost to the other side. Instead of seeing this, as usual you're devoid of substantive arguments so you go to your principal tactic of windbaggy hyperbole and distortion. And warped English. Which you never hesitate to attribute to others instead of yourself. I said "the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced." You mistranslate these 11 simple English words into a grandiose hyperbole of "a mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's 'Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu'." Where the fuck did you learn to speak English, anyway? What is the connection between these two disconnected phrases, one that I said, and one that you totally mis translate from it, then use to argue against your own misinterpretation, not anything I stated. You're a pompous windbag who can't even stay on point or reply to specifics. Instead of lecturing me on English and dictionaries - which I'm far better at using than you - dial down your inflated wordy narcissistic replies and "Keep It Simple, Stupid."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes they have, it's voluminously documented outside of the stagnant ponds holding k00kfluent, and as usual the Twoffertwits ignore anything that doesn't keep them in their go-nowhere "holding pattern" until they run out of fuel, crash and burn. As of 11:00 EST on September 13, all US commercial airspace was cleared for normal operations, and the bin Laden family aircraft joined hundreds of other commercial aircraft resuming national and international flights. And not until the airspace was cleared for commercial traffic. The bin Laden family did not get any preferential treatment. They had a flight plan and they were approved to follow it. Prior to departure some bin Ladin family members were questioned, however OBL had been separated from his family for over a decade, was subject to imprisonment if he went to Saudi, and there was no reason to believe he had active connections with anyone on board the departing flight.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey stoogy What's it like being a low-life bottom-feeding gov stooge? Have you made GS 5 yet? I feel sorry for you, so watch the shows, I'll feel better
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I've never linked Jesse Ventura, Six Percent Loser . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There were 3 stewardess calls, not one. All gave seat numbers from which tickets could be tracked, then credit card purchases tracked, then buyers of tickets identified. Regarding the "impossibility" of cell phone calls in airborne aircraft, as usual you're full of it. The main reason for not having cell phone calls is the aircraft companies don't want miscellaneous private communications generating electromagnetic signals that could possibly interfere with sensitive aircraft navigation equipment and communications. And ain't it a hoot that the same people who're claiming that anywhere between 10 and 100 tons of esoteric materials, detonated by unknown state-of-the-art methods which didn't leave a single trace, induced the 3 largest building failures in US history and 8 years later have still not revealed their working details. But it's "impossible" that some passengers on an airborne jet couldn't take their simple cell phones with them into the plane lavatories and make some calls to their family members, which would make their family members liars if this didn't happen. No, cell phone technology simply isn't advanced for that to happen. But undefined "nano-thermite" technology can destroy entire buildings without leaving a single trace of how it actually functioned. You're beyond stupid and pathetic.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ====================================== Amounts of 'energy and effort?' Try the longest and costliest war in America history.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Easier than addressing your point though.
And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. Oh, spare me. Of course to sell the suckers Osama, Tim Osman, Bin Laden has to be built up as this mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's "Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu". Osama Bin Goldstein.
The number of the post.
You beast!! lol Uuuhhhggg.......this thread is an exercise in futility.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
How charming. Lessee, is that the same Osama Bin Laden, one of the heirs to the Bin Laden fortune (whose brother Salem was a business partner of Geee Duhbya), was a CIA Contract Agent, and is Jewish by Talmudic Law? There are Americans who are just as critical of U.S. foreign policy as ol' Tim Osman and have made basically the same criticism of the perversion of our foreign policy. Are you expecting them to turn off NORAD, arrange cover exercises, and read "My Pet Goat" while their mind controlled slaves run remote controlled airplanes into buildings packed with demolition charges? You are just too funny. Mr. Hyperbole meet Mr. Satire. Your comment was so deliciously "over the top" funny than I could not but meet it with an appropriate comparison. In a good school, in a little hick town that had never heard of the "modern" curriculum and so as a consequence we were taught a different brand of English - Educated English. LOL! Please point out where I was lecturing you on "English and dictionaries"? Another of your hyperbolic confabulations. Just doing a quick count I have about 18 dictionaries (my current favorite is the Oxford American Dictionary) in my current collection, a couple of Atlases, two Historical Atlases, and a variety of other reference books including "Miss Manner's Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior" which I would highly commend to your reading list. Have a jolly time old bean.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
wud: Easier than addressing your point though. True. He's still twisting and turning and trying get me engaged in trying to refute his "Rent-a-Professor" on the cell calls. We could spend positively days debating the issue. Which he is welcome to do - he can play with himself. I guess he thinks his disinfo tactics will allow him to get off the hook by trying to push the cell phone issue while evading the other. Ain't gonna happen.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
lol......Wud, you're smokin' what I'm rollin'.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Most excellent. Consider it stolen.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nooo no no You're rollin' what I'm smokin'...
And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. Me: Oh, spare me. Of course to sell the suckers Osama, Tim Osman, Bin Laden has to be built up as this mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's "Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu". Wud: Osama Bin Goldstein. Yes, another of the wily villains aliases. He's everywhere. All at once even.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Must be synchronicity.......
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Due to its size and aircraft type, your so-called "private jet" falls under all rules and regulations pertaining to "Commercial Aviation" flown by pilots with "Commercial Pilot" or "Airport Transport Pilot" Licenses The distinction between "commercial" and "private" on September 13 2001 pertains to "private" owner-pilots with "Private Pilot Licenses" e.g. individuals who can fly Cessnas but can't haul people around for money. Commercial pilots were allowed to fly on Sept 13. Private pilots were not. The ownership of the aircraft was not the factor. Do yourself a favor and don't listen to blather from subject matter idiots trying to pass itself off as knowledge.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Must be synchronicity....... Or Osama Ben Goldstein.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That right there is a funny post. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
the members of the liar movement will believe anything the government tells them and for a small fee shout those lies from the roof tops if they also supply the talking points.
Quick, get under the bed!! That wiley cave dweller is everywhere.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Why thank you worthy madam. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I already told you, the stewardesses gave seat numbers which gave ticket purchasers which gave buyers. This is more direct information than passenger manifests. Last but not least, jerkwad, the source materials the k00ksite use are "Victims Lists," which specifically exclude the hijackers, and not official "Passenger Manifests." Busting 911 Myths: 'No Hijackers on the Passenger Manifests' Story Debunked Visit the main Memorial page, click "about this site", and on 11th July 2007 we read this text: This memorial lists those who died in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania when terrorists hijacked four U.S. planes on September 11, 2001. The list includes those listed as "confirmed dead" and "reported dead" by the Associated Press which defines the terms as follows: CONFIRMED DEAD Includes victims who have been confirmed dead by a coroner's office or the Defense Department. It also includes those a court has declared legally dead, even if no body has been recovered. Once the court has made such a finding, a death certificate can be issued. REPORTED DEAD Includes those whose deaths have been reported by family, employers, mortuaries, places of worship or by the airlines that listed them as aboard one of the four flights. Includes people for whom memorial services have been held, even if their bodies have not been recovered or positively identified. (Those identified by federal authorities as the hijackers are not included. So "those identified by federal authorities as the hijackers are not included". Note also that the list came from press reports, not directly from the airlines. This is not an official manifest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And he's armed with a Magic Cellphone®.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And steal kidneys. And a get out of Tora Bora Free card. Why Binny must be the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known-- which is why the FBI opted not to seek his arrest for 911 crimes. I think they were scared. And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. (he used mind control to FORCE Bush to fly his family members home)
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And their briefing books/talking points have gotten better. The internet has now been salted with enough disinformation sites that they have manufactured their own "experts". Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively. Example: The False Memory Syndrome Foundation and American Family Foundation and American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations fall into this category, as their founding members and/or leadership include key persons associated with CIA Mind Control research. Read The Professional Paranoid or Phsychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. by Alex Constantine for more information. Not so curious, then, that (in a perhaps oversimplified explanation here) these organizations focus on, by means of their own "research findings", that there is no such thing as Mind Control.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And steal kidneys. And a get out of Tora Bora Free card. Why Binny must be the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known-- which is why the FBI opted not to seek his arrest for 911 crimes. I think they were scared. Aha! That explains it. The FBI is quivering in fear that Osama might turn the Magic Cellphone® on them. The pusillanimous little worms.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The pusillanimous little worms were also under the dastardly and diabolical conrol of the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known. There are no bounds to the ultimate mind control of Binny. Call me paranoid if you must, but I think we might also be under the dastardly and diabolical control of Binny. He even stubbed my toe today. It's true.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It was the only private plane to fly in the entire nation that day. Snopes.Com: Urban Legends - Flights of Fancy Debunking During that two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air. The enforcement of the empty skies directive was so stringent that even after the United Network for Organ Sharing sought and gained FAA clearance to use charter aircraft on ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your point is granted. There is not sufficient evidence available to cross check.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The pusillanimous little worms were also under the dastardly and diabolical conrol of the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known. There are no bounds to the ultimate mind control of Binny. Call me paranoid if you must, but I think we might also be under the dastardly and diabolical control of Binny. He even stubbed my toe today. It's true. And I bet he was behind the sinking of the Andrea Doria too.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Snopes is not a reliable source.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestMagick Cell Phone in the air THREE TIMES in the vastness of the remote caves of Tora Bora.
Osama bin Laden is planning an attack against the United States that will "outdo by far" September 11, 2001, an Arab newspaper in London has reported.
Other targets include the Houses of Parliament, Whitehall and Buckingham and St James' palaces, with the threat level described as "severe". Right now they're shoring up their base. They're in no hurry, just as from 1998 to 2001 there wasn't much activity until the day of action occurred.
#653. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, all (#649)
Me: And of course never addressed by AGGravator is that the FBI had identified all 19 by 9-12 and yet none of those names show up on the passenger manifests, nor are there any videos of any of them boarding the flights used for the Op.
Fu Manchu Osama Bin Laden. How did he know it was Osama Bin Laden the evening of 911? That is some mighty fast detective work, OR a cover legend he had already been briefed on. Excerpt: "Olson’s Self-Contradictions
Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions. He first told CNN, as we have seen, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone.” But he contradicted this claim on September 14, telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect. Therefore, she must have been using the “airplane phone,” he surmised, because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”4 However, this version of Olson’s story, besides contradicting his first version, was even self-contradictory, because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger-seat phone.
Later that same day, moreover, Olson told Larry King Live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”5 After that return to his first version, he finally settled on the second version, saying that his wife had called collect and hence must have used “the phone in the passengers’ seats” because she did not have her purse.6
By finally settling on this story, Olson avoided a technological pitfall. Given the cell phone system employed in 2001, high-altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible, or at least virtually so (Olson’s statement that “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well” was a considerable understatement). The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.7
However, Olson’s second story, besides being self-contradictory, was contradicted by American Airlines. ..."
#654. To: James Deffenbach (#651)
They were Magic Muslims and were protected from being seen on the Airport Surveillance Video because Osama Ben Forgotten waved his Magick Cell Phone in the air THREE TIMES in the vastness of the remote caves of Tora Bora.
#655. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter (#653)
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#656. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, all (#652)
Me: ...Magick Cell Phone in the air THREE TIMES in the vastness of the remote caves of Tora Bora.
#657. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#655)
One of the events immediately after 9/11 was the 9/12 flyout of the Saudi Bin Ladin family PRIVATE JET back to Saudi Arabia.
#658. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, critter, X-15 (#656)
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And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#659. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#657)
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No one has ever really given a convincing reason for it nor who gave the order and how fast it occurred. It is like one of Imus's "What doesn't fit and why?" routines.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#660. To: AGAviator (#658)
#661. To: Flintlock, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#660)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#662. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, crittee (#653)
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As well a Stewardess call describing "Middle Eastern" passengers is again a "will o' the wisp" as when one analyzes it for actual information content it is simply a physical description with no other essential identifying information. "Middle Eastern" looking is such a large universe of individuals, well over a billion people, that it is at best nothing more than a starting point which tells us nothing as to the identity of the hijackers
Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[118]
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#663. To: AGAviator (#661)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis.
#664. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, all (#653)
What do so called, technically impossible at the time, "cell phone calls*" have to do with how the FBI was able to identify 19 alleged hijackers by the afternoon of 9-12 whose names did not appear on the Passenger Manifests nor were their images captured on any Airport Surveillance Videos? The answer is of course nothing.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#665. To: Original_Intent (#656)
AGGravator: It is your own cultural backwardness, hubris, and ignorance, which projects a "cave dweller" mentality onto Bin Laden, when OBL is in fact an ascetic, extremely intelligent and disciplined, and religiously dogmatic per his own interpretations of Koran.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#666. To: Original_Intent, All (#665)
666
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#667. To: wudidiz (#666)
The number of the post.
#668. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, all (#658)
Name one person who has publicly announced, over more than two decades, his visceral dislike of US policies, his subsequently inspired successful attacks around the world including and not limited to American military forces, the escalating nature of these attacks with each new "operation" being more complex and causing more casualties and damage than the last, and his 2004 prediction that America is headed towards bankruptcy which we're staring in the face 6 years later.
I said "the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced."
You mistranslate these 11 simple English words into a grandiose hyperbole of "a mythical figure on par with Sax Rohmer's 'Villainous Dr. Fu Manchu'."
Where the fuck did you learn to speak English, anyway?
...Instead of lecturing me on English and dictionaries - which I'm far better at using than you...
#669. To: abraxas (#667)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#670. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, all (#664)
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Me: What do so called, technically impossible at the time, "cell phone calls*" have to do with how the FBI was able to identify 19 alleged hijackers by the afternoon of 9-12 whose names did not appear on the Passenger Manifests nor were their images captured on any Airport Surveillance Videos? The answer is of course nothing.
#671. To: wudidiz (#669)
#672. To: wudidiz (#669)
#673. To: abraxas, Original_Intent (#671)
01:33:33
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#674. To: abraxas (#671)
Wud, you're smokin' what I'm rollin'.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#675. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, all (#665)
AGGravator: It is your own cultural backwardness, hubris, and ignorance, which projects a "cave dweller" mentality onto Bin Laden, when OBL is in fact an ascetic, extremely intelligent and disciplined, and religiously dogmatic per his own interpretations of Koran.
#676. To: wudidiz (#673)
01:33:33
#677. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#655)
PRIVATE JET
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#678. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#676)
01:33:33
#679. To: Original_Intent (#675)
#680. To: James Deffenbach (#622)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#681. To: Original_Intent (#678)
#682. To: abraxas (#679)
#683. To: Original_Intent (#653)
(Edited)
What do so called, technically impossible at the time, "cell phone calls*" have to do with how the FBI was able to identify 19 alleged hijackers by the afternoon of 9-12 whose names did not appear on the Passenger Manifests nor were their images captured on any Airport Surveillance Videos? The answer is of course nothing.
The problem here is that the CNN lists were not a manifest. The can be seen from the URL used by Dr Griffin, which tells us it's a "victims" list (that URL is now dead, web archive version here). Is it really surprising that suspected hijackers wouldn't be included? We'd say not, and a moment spent at the CNN site confirms this as true.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#684. To: abraxas (#681)
Quick, get under the bed!! That wiley cave dweller is everywhere.
#685. To: Original_Intent (#684)
(Edited)
And he's armed with a Magic Cellphone®
#686. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, all (#680)
the members of the liar movement will believe anything the government tells them and for a small fee shout those lies from the roof tops if they also supply the talking points.
#687. To: abraxas (#685)
And he's armed with a Magic Cellphone®
#688. To: Original_Intent (#687)
The pusillanimous little worms.
#689. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#655)
One of the events immediately after 9/11 was the 9/12 flyout of the Saudi Bin Ladin family PRIVATE JET back to Saudi Arabia.
Claim: Secret flights whisked bin Laden family members and Saudi nationals out of the U.S. immediately after
Status: False.
Origins: In the wake of the
The claim that bin Laden family members (and other Saudis) were allowed to secretly fly out of the U.S. and back to Saudi Arabia while a government- imposed ban on air travel was in effect, all without any intervention by the FBI, has since been negated by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission"). In their final report, the commission noted:
First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of [National Security Council official] Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United State on charter flights. The Saudi government was advised of and agree to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.
The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#690. To: AGAviator (#683)
#691. To: abraxas (#688)
The pusillanimous little worms.
#692. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas (#689)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
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