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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#755. To: Rotara (#737)
Yep, that should be his new nickname...
an attack on Iran must be somewhat imminent imo...
world neo kommunists all the way... Debunking snopes.com This may come as a surprise to many of you that use snopes.com to seek the truth. For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the 'tell all final word' on any comment, claim, email or "urban legend". But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators or researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago. They have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years their website gained popularity, many people believing it to be unbiased and neutral. Over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it, and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions - or skepticism - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issues when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint. A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's claimed to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement the Mikkelsons claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place. I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois, who would have been willing to speak with him about it. David Mikkelson never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg that no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone at State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not! We now know that the Mikkelson's are very pro-Democratic Party and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purposeful agenda to discredit anything that appears to be Conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the Internet, with people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Now, that should come as no shock. So, I say this to everyone who goes to www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts: "Proceed with Caution." Take what snopes says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It is apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I wonder if they did that to ensure there would be sufficient penetration into the Pentagon, or that it would have just been TOO impossible to actually manuever a real 757 into the flight path that it ended up taking on its terminal approach. Apparently, a normal crash of an airliner hitting the ROOF of the building would have caused too much damage perhaps?
Should have included you in the ping list for #757.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The North American Union made it patently obvious to me, but before then I hadn't ever bothered with taking them seriously as a source for anything...these people are clearly deconstructionist Big Government World Communists, doing the work of fellow travelers on the Internets to bring a new world consciousness through lies and omissions. To put it mildly.
I wonder if they did that to ensure there would be sufficient penetration into the Pentagon, or that it would have just been TOO impossible to actually manuever a real 757 into the flight path that it ended up taking on its terminal approach. Apparently, a normal crash of an airliner hitting the ROOF of the building would have caused too much damage perhaps? Well, with the smaller, but sturdier, airframe of an S-3 (and without divulging anything I shouldn't the S-3 was originally designed as an ASW Jet, my field in the service, and is quite maneuverable - it can take off and land on a carrier) it would have created about the right size hole, had better penetration than just about any other medium sized jet because of the beefier structure, but still small enough and maneuverable enough to make the right approach. I think that also helps clear up the confusion on the approach path and the reports that the 757 flew over the Pentagram. It was basically a "David Copperfield" type trick of the eye. Line up the larger plane so it just clears the Pentagram and then at the same time bring in the S-3 to make the actual impact. The other plane continues out over the ocean where it is ditched OR brought back in, landed, the passengers whacked and disposed of, and then the plane gets a new set of numbers. Given the amount of mass and kinetic energy a real 757 would have had I think the actual damage would have been much greater. And then there is the problem of the wings. The apparent wing damage to the structure better fits an S-3 than a 757 with a much greater wingspan.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...
Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times. As an aside, but possibly related, is the rumor that he and Barbara were close to a break-up. So, it might not have bothered him all that much to have her play a "final" part in the charade. If you are on the inside it would be an easy enough method to dispose of an inconvenient wife, with no suspicion, by getting her a ticket for the "right" plane.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I will give you and every other Truther on the planet 10,000 years to prove your case. You will never do it, because 9-11 was not an inside job. You've had nine years -- no proof, no confessions, no convictions -- nothing. Might as will waste your life proving the moon landing was shot on a stage, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or that all politicians are really shape- shifting blood-drinking space reptiles. Almost 50 years after Kennedy was killed...and the nuts won't give it up. Forty years from now, and the Truther nuts still won't have an atom of proof...and still won't give it up. Conspiracism is a mental illness.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
You'd think a man of his 'caliber' brain power and organizational skills could get something as searing in one's mind as this is...straight. Baffling to anyone I would hope...
Right, LOL ! You also don't pay much attention around here you arrogant, pompous, self-righteous asshole. You're an Imperialist. Punto
Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?
Search ResultsBarry Jennings, Key 9/11 Witness Dies | GroundReport 17 Sep 2008 ... Barry Jennings, a former New York Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator and key 9/11 witness, has died of undisclosed causes at the age of ... www.groundreport.com/US/Barry-Jennings...9-11.../2869565 - Cached - SimilarKey Witness to WTC 7 Explosions Dead at 53 16 Sep 2008 ... Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot– as the BBC hit piece and NIST ... www.infowars.com › Featured Stories - Cached - SimilarBarry Jennings Mystery: Barry Jennings - 9/11 Early Afternoon ABC7 ... 17 Mar 2009 ... 19, 2009 is the first anniversary of the mysterious death of key 9/11 eyewitness Barry Jennings. To make a commitment to banner outside your ... barryjenningsmystery.blogspot.com/.../barry-jennings-911-early-afternoon-abc7.html - Cached - SimilarVideos for barry jennings 911 World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings ... 7 min - 23 Jun 2008 Uploaded by UnsettledDust www.youtube.com 9/11 Key Witness Murdered? (Barry Jennings RIP) 11 min - 5 Oct 2008 Uploaded by NufffRespect www.youtube.com VERY Key 9/11 Witness Barry Jennings Reported DEAD!!! 30 posts - 20 authors - Last post: 23 May Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the ... On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, ... forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=59063.0 - Cached - SimilarGet more discussion results Barry Jennings Barry Jennings was a participant or observer in the following events: ... [UPN 9, 9/11/2001] Jennings will also recall hearing explosions. ... www.historycommons.org › Entities - Cached - SimilarNew Information on the Death of 911 Eyewitness Barry Jennings ... 17 Apr 2009 ... Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at ... edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/.../new-information-on-the-death-of-911-eyewitness-barry-jennings/ - Cached - Similarno one has to die tomorroW.: Barry Jennings: World Trade Center 7 21 Jun 2007 ... On 911 he was on the news covered with debris, like many survivors seen on television that day. Barry Jennings has put his full story on the ... noonehastodie.blogspot.com/.../barry-jennings-world-trade-center-7.html - Cached - SimilarPatriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 ... 5, FDNY, Barry Zelman – Brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., ..... ABC 9/12/01: Peter Jennings interviewed Marlene Cruz the day after 9/11. ... www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html - Cached - SimilarHumint Events Online: Another Key 9/11 Witness Dead: Barry Jennings 17 Sep 2008 ... Another Key 9/11 Witness Dead: Barry Jennings. Barry Jennings, a whistle-blower and critical witness to nasty business at WTC7 is dead at 53 ... covertoperations.blogspot.com/.../another-key-911-witness-dead-barry.html - Cached - SimilarSearches related to barry jennings 911 barry jennings 9 11 wtc7 jennings 11 wtc7 full uncut interview berry jennings 911 that's page one of google search 'Barry Jennings 911'. right now anyway.
By Jack Blood www.wFUradio.com www.deadlinelive.info Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at age 53 from undisclosed circumstances. Mr. Jennings was an eyewitness to the devastation of the World Trade center towers on September 11th 2001. On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, (one of Rudy Giuliani’s highest ranking appointed officials, New York city’s corporation counsel), entered the famed Building 7. It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management (FEMA),) they found it had been recently deserted, “coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches”. At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings. When they made it to the lobby, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, “King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, (it was) so destroyed, I didn’t know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out.” Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story. Mr. Jennings was admittedly confused as to why Building 7 had to come down at all, and does not accept the official reason that the noises he heard were from a fuel oil tank, “I know what I heard, I heard explosions”. Jennings testimony was recorded by Loose Change for the Final Cut version of the extremely popular documentary, but was edited out at the final stage due to Jennings misgivings about losing his job, and endangering his family. The BBC later interviewed Jennings for a “911 debunking special” and Jennings seemed to retract the testimony given to Loose Change. Subsequently the creators of the film released the original interview to protect their own credibility. Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance. New Information Yesterday, April 15th 2009 I was contacted by “Loose Change” director, and narrator Dylan Avery who said that he had recently begun investigating the death of Barry Jennings, and had found some new information relating to his death. It seems that there is a very good possibility that Jennings’ death could have been due to foul play. Though the investigations are on going, initial findings are somewhat alarming. The conclusion is still forthcoming, but I was shocked by what I heard. It seems that Dylan had hired a private investigator to look into Jennings death which remains shrouded in mystery. His motive was simply to bring some closure to the life of Barry Jennings, and in doing so to honor the memory of this brave American. The Investigator ended up referring the case to Law enforcement before refunding his pay, and told Dylan never to contact him again. Very unusual to say the least. Dylan also paid a visit to the Jennings home. He found it vacant and for sale. Personally, something is really beginning to stink here. Why would a highly paid PI refuse to continue his investigation? Why did he refer the matter to police? He is not talking. What is he afraid of. Was he warned to cease and desist? If so by whom? These are some of the new questions revolving around the Jennings case. In every major cover up from the JFK assassination to Iran Contra, we can see one common thread. The untimely death of eyewitnesses. Barry Jennings was not only an important and most credible eyewitness, but he openly refuted much of the government, and media version of events. He was a liability. I found this at one of the google links on that page. Maybe Asshole Turdler will dismiss all of this out of hand because Barry Jennings was a nigger. Maybe ? OR what then ? Will the Asshole Turdler come back chat about 'Who is Barry Jennings ?' ??
i guess the entire 4um went out to lunch at the same time. i took my lunch here so that i could have a chat with the Asshole Turdler...
Oh, Turdle you are such a hoot. Of course 911 was an INSIDE JOB. One can look at the actions of the government alone and know that there is a cover-up in place, and it started very early on. The debris from all of the sites was put under armed guard, never given an Engineering Forensics examination to actually determine the cause of the collapse, and then the steel was quickly shipped to a holding site, still under armed guard, and then out of the country, still under armed guard, to China despite higher domestic bids for the steel having been made. NORAD, the most sophisticated air tracking system on the planet, was struck by a massive dose of stupid pills and allowed the allegedly hijacked aircraft fly around unimpeded for about 2 hours, while directing potetial intercept aircraft out of the way, so that they could plot a leisurely course for a couple of obsolete buildings that otherwise would have cost a couple hundred million to take down. NO ONE AT NORAD WAS EVER COURT MARTIALED, SANCTIONED, DENIED PROMOTION, OR IN ANY WAY HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS EITHER MASSIVE INCOMPETENCE ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR BY INTENT. Bush fought the creation of an investigatory panel for over a year, and then tried to stack it by putting Henry, the war criminal insider, Kissinger in charge. That of course stunk so bad Kissinger had to withdraw. The Chairman of the eventually formed committee, which had its scope, budget, and powers severely limited, has repudiated the committee's own final report, which one committee member resigned from rather than sign the report. The FEMA Report has now been so thoroughly discredited that much of it is used only by people such as myself as a negative example. The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear. I could go on to cite more evidence of cover-up, such as the gag order on Air Traffic Controllers which remains in place now some NINE YEARS LATER, but that should be sufficient to make the point. Where there is a cover-up there is smoke and where there is smoke there is fire.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I'm glad you mentioned that i.e., "right now anyway", as a lot of 911 research seems to have disappeared. I can no longer find the results of the independent test on Cellphones, nor the Military Pilots panel that analyzed the approach of the aircraft - concluding that they were maneuvers only explainable by assuming a real crackerjack pilot, or pilots, which the idiot patsies were most definitely not.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??
Yeah, Asshole Turdler, we see how well that worked out for Barry Jennings. He was actually there, Asshole Turdler, and I wasn't. Or I'd be dead just like Barry Jennings, eh, Asshole Turdler ?
There he is (#776) back making his asinine, totally unsupported and meritless, digs. Turdle is not into facts and evidence - it hurts his head. Much easier and less effort to make snide comments which he can't back up and so refuses to do so.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
10,000 years.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Like that, you mean.
LOL !
Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.
LOL
That dead NYC Nigger, Barry Jennings, was 1,000X the Man you could ever be, Asshole Turdler. And your hide won't be off limits, the same as with any other Traitor, when the clock strikes out...
what a crock of shit. his/her agenda is simple, really...but he just can't come close to pulling it off without the facts fucking it all up.
They're in bed with the Obamessiah. 'Nuff said.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. A) It would have left a crater. It did not leave a crater, in fact, it didn't even scratch the lawn. B) It would not have penetrated the Pentagon as it did. It more than likely would have tumbled and broken into pieces before hitting the Pentagon, which it didn't. Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I had read that article about the people who run snopes a while back. That's how I knew they were in bed with Obama.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What do you call it when someone accepts the government's bogus conspiracy theory, the wackiest one of all? Surely, as the Toddler used to say, people who accept that story "have the disease of being mental." And not in a good way either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. ============================= Pre-9/11 Snopes did 'OK' at confirming nickel and dime facts. The majority of everything on that site can be confirmed with a few phone calls to the sources. Since 9/11, Snopes has tried to be an authority on the big ticket items, and are completely out of their league.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
They could have covered the reason 7 fell with just three words--Magickal Jet Fuel™. No plane hit it but apparently a few drops of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ splashed on it. And then all of a sudden it got tired and fell down. Makes as much sense as their stupid theory about the other two towers.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. =============================================================== What is ironic is that all military plane crash archives are MAINTAINED at the Pentagon. USAF HQ in those archives are the most detailed plane crash archives in the world, as are the combined military aircraft expertise concentrate there in not just the USAF, but all other branches as well. So, it is safe to say that the single-most concentrated and qualified expertise source in the world is located AT THE PENTAGON. I have been in Search and Recovery operations on several military crash sites, and I can tell you a C-130 would cause FAR MORE DAMAGE to the Pentagon than what we saw reported, IMO. I recall one F-105 Thud crash at a joint target range near China Lake back in 1974. That SINGLE aircraft, about 1/5th the size of the one claimed to have hit the Pentagon left a crater 15 feet deep and over 30 feet long. We found human remains (ONE SOUL ON BOARD) and aircraft parts hundreds of yards from the crash site. Granted, the impact occurred in soft desert ground, but the ancillary damage and wreckage spread was quite impressive.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES and they want us to believe the passengers overcame the hijackers and they crashed into the ground. I doubt a crash into the ground would have scattered debris as far as eight miles.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. =================================================== The trees would have intercepted the debris within a thousand feet of the debris entering the tree line.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#756. To: FormerLurker (#755)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#757. To: Rotara, James Deffenbach, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#752)
Snopes=full of $#it.
steele here's picture November 11, 2008 - 7:40am — steele here
#758. To: Original_Intent (#753)
I think that an S-3 painted to look like an AA jet seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen floated. It is small enough and fast enough (and as a military jet has a strong enough airframe) to have pulled off the maneuvers attributed to the airliner and yet big enough and a similar, but smaller, profile to keep the illusion alive for the few needed seconds. Also as a smaller jet it would not have been as heavily influenced by wing tip vortices and ground effect. Load one up with explosives and it is going to create quite a bang - sufficient to pull off the illusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#759. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, abraxas (#757)
#760. To: Original_Intent (#757)
We now know that the Mikkelson's are very pro-Democratic Party and extremely liberal.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#761. To: FormerLurker (#758)
I think that an S-3 painted to look like an AA jet seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen floated. It is small enough and fast enough (and as a military jet has a strong enough airframe) to have pulled off the maneuvers attributed to the airliner and yet big enough and a similar, but smaller, profile to keep the illusion alive for the few needed seconds. Also as a smaller jet it would not have been as heavily influenced by wing tip vortices and ground effect. Load one up with explosives and it is going to create quite a bang - sufficient to pull off the illusion.
#762. To: Original_Intent (#761)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#763. To: Rotara (#762)
Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...
#764. To: Critter (#88)
#765. To: Rotara (#735)
You strike me as the repubican type...but you probably like REALLY young boys, yeah ?
#766. To: Original_Intent (#763)
Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#767. To: Turtle (#765)
Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#768. To: Turtle (#764)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#769. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler (#768)
Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#770. To: All (#769)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#771. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler, All (#770)
April 16, 2009
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#772. To: 4 (#771)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#773. To: Turdle, Turtle, Critter, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#764)
#774. To: Original_Intent (#773)
Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#775. To: Rotara (#770)
that's page one of google search 'Barry Jennings 911'. right now anyway.
#776. To: Rotara (#767)
#777. To: Original_Intent (#775)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#778. To: Turtle (#776)
As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#779. To: Rotara, Turdle (#777)
I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??
#780. To: Rotara (#778)
#781. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#780)
10,000 years.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#782. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#781)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#783. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#779)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#784. To: Rotara (#782)
LOL !
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#785. To: Turtle (#780)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#786. To: wudidiz (#783)
Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#787. To: Rotara (#752)
world neo kommunists all the way...
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#788. To: FormerLurker (#754)
If the aircraft had hit the lawn first,
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#789. To: Original_Intent (#757)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#790. To: Turtle (#764)
Conspiracism is a mental illness.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#791. To: Original_Intent (#757)
Take what snopes says at face value and nothing more.
#792. To: Original_Intent (#773)
The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#793. To: James Deffenbach, ForAGAviatormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, Turtle, Itistoolate, AGAviator (#788)
Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.
#794. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#793)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#795. To: James Deffenbach (#794)
The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES ..
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