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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 28523
Comments: 879


Poster Comment:

This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior.

They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her."

He got life in prison.

These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers. (1 image)

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#775. To: Rotara (#770)

that's page one of google search 'Barry Jennings 911'. right now anyway.

I'm glad you mentioned that i.e., "right now anyway", as a lot of 911 research seems to have disappeared. I can no longer find the results of the independent test on Cellphones, nor the Military Pilots panel that analyzed the approach of the aircraft - concluding that they were maneuvers only explainable by assuming a real crackerjack pilot, or pilots, which the idiot patsies were most definitely not.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#776. To: Rotara (#767)

As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#777. To: Original_Intent (#775)

I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#778. To: Turtle (#776)

As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.

Yeah, Asshole Turdler, we see how well that worked out for Barry Jennings.

He was actually there, Asshole Turdler, and I wasn't. Or I'd be dead just like Barry Jennings, eh, Asshole Turdler ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:55:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#779. To: Rotara, Turdle (#777)

I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??

There he is (#776) back making his asinine, totally unsupported and meritless, digs.

Turdle is not into facts and evidence - it hurts his head. Much easier and less effort to make snide comments which he can't back up and so refuses to do so.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#780. To: Rotara (#778)

10,000 years.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#781. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#780)

10,000 years.

Like that, you mean.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#782. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#781)

LOL !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#783. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#779)

Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#784. To: Rotara (#782)

LOL !

LOL


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#785. To: Turtle (#780)

That dead NYC Nigger, Barry Jennings, was 1,000X the Man you could ever be, Asshole Turdler.

And your hide won't be off limits, the same as with any other Traitor, when the clock strikes out...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#786. To: wudidiz (#783)

Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.

what a crock of shit.

his/her agenda is simple, really...but he just can't come close to pulling it off without the facts fucking it all up.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#787. To: Rotara (#752)

world neo kommunists all the way...

They're in bed with the Obamessiah. 'Nuff said.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   15:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#788. To: FormerLurker (#754)

If the aircraft had hit the lawn first,

A) It would have left a crater. It did not leave a crater, in fact, it didn't even scratch the lawn. B) It would not have penetrated the Pentagon as it did. It more than likely would have tumbled and broken into pieces before hitting the Pentagon, which it didn't.

Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   15:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#789. To: Original_Intent (#757)

I had read that article about the people who run snopes a while back. That's how I knew they were in bed with Obama.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#790. To: Turtle (#764)

Conspiracism is a mental illness.

What do you call it when someone accepts the government's bogus conspiracy theory, the wackiest one of all? Surely, as the Toddler used to say, people who accept that story "have the disease of being mental." And not in a good way either.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#791. To: Original_Intent (#757)

Take what snopes says at face value and nothing more.

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Pre-9/11 Snopes did 'OK' at confirming nickel and dime facts. The majority of everything on that site can be confirmed with a few phone calls to the sources.

Since 9/11, Snopes has tried to be an authority on the big ticket items, and are completely out of their league.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#792. To: Original_Intent (#773)

The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear.

They could have covered the reason 7 fell with just three words--Magickal Jet Fuel™.

No plane hit it but apparently a few drops of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ splashed on it. And then all of a sudden it got tired and fell down. Makes as much sense as their stupid theory about the other two towers.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#793. To: James Deffenbach, ForAGAviatormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, Turtle, Itistoolate, AGAviator (#788)

Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.

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What is ironic is that all military plane crash archives are MAINTAINED at the Pentagon. USAF HQ in those archives are the most detailed plane crash archives in the world, as are the combined military aircraft expertise concentrate there in not just the USAF, but all other branches as well.

So, it is safe to say that the single-most concentrated and qualified expertise source in the world is located AT THE PENTAGON.

I have been in Search and Recovery operations on several military crash sites, and I can tell you a C-130 would cause FAR MORE DAMAGE to the Pentagon than what we saw reported, IMO.

I recall one F-105 Thud crash at a joint target range near China Lake back in 1974. That SINGLE aircraft, about 1/5th the size of the one claimed to have hit the Pentagon left a crater 15 feet deep and over 30 feet long. We found human remains (ONE SOUL ON BOARD) and aircraft parts hundreds of yards from the crash site. Granted, the impact occurred in soft desert ground, but the ancillary damage and wreckage spread was quite impressive.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#794. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#793)

The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES and they want us to believe the passengers overcame the hijackers and they crashed into the ground. I doubt a crash into the ground would have scattered debris as far as eight miles.

Flight 93 Crash Site

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#795. To: James Deffenbach (#794)

The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES ..

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The trees would have intercepted the debris within a thousand feet of the debris entering the tree line.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:51:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#796. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#795)

And they found one section of an engine that weighed a ton "2,000 yards" from the crash site. Well, 2,000 yards is more than a mile. And they want us to believe a plane hit the ground, just a regular crash or even a nose in crash, and a piece of the engine bounces for more than a mile before it stops?!?!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#797. To: James Deffenbach, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#796) (Edited)

And they found one section of an engine that weighed a ton "2,000 yards" from the crash site. Well, 2,000 yards is more than a mile. And they want us to believe a plane hit the ground, just a regular crash or even a nose in crash, and a piece of the engine bounces for more than a mile before it stops?!?!

We only need a quick visit to Sir Isaac to put that one in the recycle bin:

"I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. "

"II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector."

"III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

A jet traveling in one direction, as long as it remains intact, will continue traveling in that same direction as long as there is no external force applied to change the vector (Newton's First Law of Motion). If a jet plane is traveling in a given direction all parts of it are traveling in the same direction. The kinetic energy of the jet and all its parts have an amount of energy bound up based upon their mass and velocity. With reference to the first law it is going to stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force.

The amount of energy bound up is KE = 1/2 mv squared - where KE equals Kinetic Energy, m = mass, and v = velocity. So the KE of the engine is 1/2 times 2,000 pounds times the velocity Squared say for argument's sake is 400 mph. So KE = 160,000,000 pounds. That is a lot of energy and it is going directly into an opposing force i.e., the ground. Now what would expect of an object with that much mass to do when it impacts the stationary ground? Hands please?

Yes, you in the back - Mr. Deffenbach.

Correct. It is going to plow straight into the ground and likely wind up a nearly unrecognizable lump of metal, and very possibly break up into a lot of smaller pieces. Since the engine is not of a material that will spring back from the extreme deformation of impact it is NOT going to bounce like a rubber ball, but instead the kinetic energy is going to be absorbed by the less than perfectly elastic ground. Translation: It is going to be an unrecognizable piece of junk - whatever little bit survives the impact. It is not going to bounce a mile from the impact.

So, what explanation best fits the observed phenomena? That the engine separated from the plane at some point "X", and following Newton's firs law continued on its trajectory at that time. This of course implies that the plane was already breaking up, or had been broken up, into pieces at some distance "Y" from the crash site.

So, dispensing with the pedagogical delivery: It was shot down, broke apart in the air and with the engine having been acted upon as per Newton's Third Law it arrived at a different impact point i.e., it's vector had been changed by the force of the explosion which separated it from the main body of the aircraft.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   17:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#798. To: James Deffenbach (#796)

5,280' = 1 mile.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   17:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#799. To: Original_Intent, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, FormerLurker (#797)

First minutes after Polish President plane crash...Amateur footage...Shots in the background???

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   18:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#800. To: All (#797)

Eight Hundred

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   18:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#801. To: Original_Intent (#800)

LOL


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-13   18:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#802. To: Rotara (#767)

it's a shame that this statist poster 'turtle' gets near the response that he does. i generally ignore his posts. he poses as q joker type but if you read the derision of truth seekers it's obvious that turtle is a creepy & sad person.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-13   19:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#803. To: Original_Intent (#797)

Perzackly. No way a plane engine is going to bounce over a mile from the point of impact. I hate for people to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. And that is about what the government did with their stupid 9/11 stories. And the sad thing is that a lot of people took that in hook, line and sinker. Guess it goes to show how successful their dumbing down program. in the government schools has been.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   19:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#804. To: wudidiz, Turtle (#746)

Who are we gonna argue with then? Buck and Turtle?

Why not .... so far your lamer comments are limited to chemtrail chasing and piles of sarcastic remarcks.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-13   19:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#805. To: All (#804)

sarcastic remarcks

Nope, nothing wrong with this sky....

Oh look, I guess the jet engine turned off for a second here...


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   19:42:52 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#806. To: FormerLurker (#725)

Your photo is clearly taken after the fire was contained, and after the lawn has been scoured by the FBI and evidence collected. Not too many firemen looking busy at photo time.

Where did the small pieces on the lawn originally come from? Some from pieces breaking off when wings hit 5 light poles on the way in, others from the impact with the wall which caused an explosion and fireball sending things in all directions.







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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   19:52:46 ET  (7 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#807. To: FormerLurker (#736)

I'm gonna not post for the rest of the day.

I guess you're in trouble with your bosses, eh?

Too nice of a day to spend debunking Six Percenter articles of fatth that have been disproven for the last 8 years.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   19:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#808. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#740)

But Look at that Pentalawn 2000! It took an impact from a screaming 757 and is still intact.

More flippant hyperbole, the last arrow in your quiver.

The lawn was not struck because of ground effect, which creates a powerful air cushion beneath a rapidly traveling craft. The wings were apparently rocking, but not enough to hit the earth.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   20:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#809. To: FormerLurker (#718)

The blue line in the image below depicts the two officer's testimony, the red line is the path YOU and your pals claim the plane took.

So we have an incident with 2 separate explanations. First from 136 people including 103 who saw the impact saying 1 direction that includes light poles being hit, and second from 2 police officers who recollect different directions not hitting light poles.

Both say an aircraft and not a missile hit the building.

It's not completely uncommon in crises where there's only split seconds, to have differing eyewitness accounts. That's when forensic analysis comes in.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   20:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#810. To: AGAviator (#808)

lol.......this animation is your evidence?

Gee, couldn't the great animators make that video fit in any way that they wanted to? Not only planes knock over light poles, but other objects have this ability while making a much more plausible case for the perfect Pentalawn (TM-- JD).

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-13   20:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#811. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#809)

Although I'm sure the cartoon cost the taxpayers a lot of money, it is far from convincing.

Where are all the rest of the videos? That wasn't the only outdoor camera at the Pentagon.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   20:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#812. To: abraxas (#810)

lol.......this animation is your evidence?

The animation dovetails perfectly with news photgraphs that are also contained in the video.

Including photos from the security camera where the outline of the jet and the trailing smoke from the right engine show faintly but distinctly in a couple frames just before a massive fireball.

Making a much more plausible case for the perfect Pentalawn (TM-- JD).

lol....sitting back in a chair and making flippant internet remarks are your evidence?

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   20:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#813. To: wudidiz (#811)

cartoon cost the taxpayers a lot of money, it is far from convincing.

Denying and making flippant remarks does not advance your own case of a missile stike and unknown methods of killing all the passengers on the jet.

And the "cartoon" has complete conformity with news photos taken of debris and subsequent clean up work.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-13   20:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#814. To: AGAviator (#812)

The animation dovetails perfectly with news photgraphs that are also contained in the video.

Are you referring to the photos and the video footage that SHOW NO AIRPLANE?

There is no jet outline in that video. The "trailing smoke" is merely a theory created by folks who created the video. You presented the "evidence" and I merely commented on the lack of credibility within it. Epic fail on your part with that one.

Gee, I wonder why the DOD doesn't simply release ANY of the video tapes confiscated within an hour of the incident. Can you think of any reason why they wouldn't simply release that evidence? I mean that would provide folks like you who want to promote the government theory with real evidence, rather than splicing pretend airlplane animation with photos in a feeble attempt to make it fit.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-13   20:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#815. To: wudidiz (#811)

Watchu talkin' bout Wud? That cartoon clearly shows a 747 gliding in with no damage to the perfect Pentalawn.

Are you claiming that the MOST protected building on the planet, with the MOST protected airspace that happened to be penetrated by 19 evil doers with box knives, had more than one security camara?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-13   20:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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