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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 27431
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#71. To: FormerLurker (#67)
I can't. The way you phrased the question ensures there is no response from me. Still, I question why you would phrase a question like that. You are using popular colloquial expressions assuming I will pong your ping in a way that you can play. Have you lost your mind?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh, I made a little grammer mistake, sorry I was in a rush. Here, can you answer this modified version? Prove that the conspiracy theory of 19 arabs who hated us for our freedoms actually pulled off the 9/11 attacks. Where's the evidence?
I pray you don't take issue with my posts such that you lose sight of my regard for you. I think you are an awesome poster; perhaps one of the best that I have met on any forum under the Sun; you are very persuasive and capable of intelligent, deliberate opinion. The difference between you and me is that you don't add any facts to support or otherwise substantiate your posts; you add hearsay and innuendo to support your perspective. And that same issue is your very own Achilles tendon.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Thank you for the kind words. And point granted on not documenting. In part it is because I read so much, and am blessed with a good memory, that often I write on the fly without stopping to nail down references which I'll admit is a bad habit, and as well when I was posting on El Pee I learned that a lot of the people who attacked me were simply attacking and could care less about documentation which they would not read even when I did post it. As well, all modesty aside, a lot of times when I post an analysis it was one I did myself and so the reference IS me. Not to give myself airs but I have a large vocabulary thanks to having a sesquipedalian mother with a love of word play and people sometimes mistake my polysyllabic preferences for snobbery when it's just the way I talk and write all the time. They gave me hell in the service over it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Osama bin Laden did HATE US foreign intervention policy. He initiated al-Qaida after the Taliban in Afghanistan. Why? US foreign intervention policy during the 80's with the esteemed Ronny Reagan calling the Afghani's 'freedom fighters' against USSR intrusion. And afterward, that is, after the WIN, the US stopped support. America does not have a coherent international set of policies and procedures concerning methods of ANYTHING. An empire can not be made based on democracy; it is a total lie and fabrication from little purple faeries whispering in one your ears that understand America is as GREAT as it once was. America is all about political knee-jerk reactions anymore; meanwhile the rest of the world is winning a better life style while we are stuck with enormous debt and a failing economy.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
A LOT of people hate US foreign policy. Thing is, none of them had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Bin Laden denounced those attacks, and did NOT accept responsibilty for them, except in videos created AFTER the time he is said to have passed away. It's pretty obvious those later videos utilized imposters.
Got link? Please no Alex Jones and conspiracy web sites.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Just a few of the twit's posts directing some harangue towards and about me. Hmmm, you think I just made this crap up? Mind you I think all are guilty. Even me on occasion.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." sounds good to me.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Pot meet kettle.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." You are never guilty. You are too factually based to be part of some GRAND conspiracy theory.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I agree - these are two different people.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" LOL love your sarcasm.
Name calling is juvenile.
Already posted in post 62.
Including a lot of Americans. Our government's foreign policy is foreign to the best interests of the United States. They would have done well to heed the words of wisdom of the founders about entangling alliances. "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none." How much clearer could they have made it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The attack on this woman is a terrible, sad tragedy. To associate this crime with people who care enough about their world that they will devote themselves to exposing a State crime (that is, 9/11) is just wrong and quite sad as well. Your self hatred for your inability to see the truth about 9/11 is quite sickening and obvious to most posters here.
You have no use for people into the truth for what reason? This is a dumb thread. You would make more sense saying you hate France because it is sort of shaped like a hexigon.
This is what lies yield: Lies get kids blown up by the thousand. People who support lies are responsible for this shit. That means you. I had nothing to do with the scum bags that messed up some innocent girl's face. If I had witness it, they'd be dead. You useful idiots have everything to do with thousands of blown up kids. Go fuck yourself. I have no use for you or your kind.
Prove that the conspiracy theory of 19 arabs hating us for our freedoms actually pulled off the 9/11 attacks. Where's the evidence?
#72. To: buckeroo (#71)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: Original_Intent (#70)
#74. To: buckeroo (#73)
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
#76. To: buckeroo (#75)
Osama bin Laden did HATE US foreign intervention policy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: FormerLurker (#76)
#78. To: buckeroo (#52)
Have I ever called O_I other than his preferred Internet handle?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#79. To: Original_Intent (#53)
but the kooks cannot allow their fantasies and myths to be questioned rationally without going into neurotic hyperventilation. And facts drive them even more berserk.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#80. To: buckeroo (#58)
O_I is a complete fuckup: ATTACKING ANYONE THAT DEFIES HIS OPIN.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#81. To: farmfriend (#78)
Hmmm ....
#82. To: Original_Intent (#14)
The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same.
#83. To: buckeroo (#81)
You are too factually based to be part of some GRAND conspiracy theory.
#84. To: buckeroo (#77)
Got link? Please no Alex Jones and conspiracy web sites.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: FormerLurker (#76)
A LOT of people hate US foreign policy.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#86. To: Turtle, Original_Intent, christine, all (#0)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#87. To: Turtle (#0)
#88. To: Turtle (#0)
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#89. To: X-15 (#60)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#90. To: FormerLurker (#84)
OK... how about a recent glimpse other than 9 year old data?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#91. To: buckeroo (#90)
If he died 9 years ago, don't hold your breath for late breaking news on the matter. As far as the Daily Mail link which I posted, it delves into the analysis of various newer videos, and what various experts have suggested and/or concluded.
OK... how about a recent glimpse other than 9 year old data?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#92. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#55)
Typical whack-job denial. The explicit messages on the tape are as follows Your mental miasma needs treatment. Get off the internet and clean out your garbage with some form of a mental laxative.
Which has been shown repeatedly to be a fraudulent tape of some actor, who does not even look like a close resemblance to the real Bin Laden, hired to make a bad PsyOps video to justify government actions in murdering millions of people.
(1) America was attacked for its support of Israel, not because of its freedoms, which is why America and not Sweden was attacked,
To allege that statements like this are a product of US government conspiracies, when the actually clearly describe the US government taking a path to its own destruction, shows a wilful denial of reality and lack of cognitive skills too inferior to even be described by words.
(2) America's military-industrial complex is not working in the best interests of the American people,
(3) The al Qaida plan is to bankrupt America through constant worldwide guerilla warfare, said in 2004 when it appeared the US was in a "no quagmire" and "world economic leader" mindset,
(4) By his eagerness to take the al Qaida bait anywhere on the planet, Obama and Bush are both working together for this same goal of US bankruptcy, albeit for different reasons,
(5) "All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies,"
(6) "It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50 000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him. But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. We were given three times the period required,"
(7) "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No. Your security is in your own hands."
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
#93. To: AGAviator (#92)
You are most amusing. The tape IS a fraud. The man who is allegedly Osama Ben Forgotten has too wide of a nose, is too fat, and in too good of health. In the one autheticated audio tape of Bin Laden addressing 911 he denies having anything to do with it. The reality is that Jorge Arbusto and Fiends needed a boogey man to justify invading Pipelinestan. That was the reason for 911 and it was the reason for this phony video. You are welcome to believe the PsyOps if you wish after all that's what quislings are paid to do. However, your fatuousity is exceeded only by your gullibility. More Kool-Aid?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#94. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#92)
It doesn't matter what the messages on the tape are. It's not Bin Laden on the tape.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#95. To: All (#94)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#96. To: wudidiz, AGAviator (#94)
It's not Bin Laden on the tape. Exactly. They could have him reciting the Athanasian Creed and it would still be meaningless. If it is not Bin Laden on the tape, which it is not, then whatever he is alleged to have said on the tape is irrelevant because he never said it.
It doesn't matter what the messages on the tape are.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#97. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, *9-11* (#96)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#98. To: wudidiz (#97)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
heck. when was the semi blacks name changed to barack h. obama?
and I want to see Obama's actual birth certificate (a real one that hasn't been doctored will probably prove he was born in Kenya just like his grandmother said).
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#100. To: Original_Intent (#24)
dang it OI now you went and made the resident shill for the liar movement cry.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#101. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, buckeroo, turtle (#96) (Edited)
It's not Bin Laden on the tape. Exactly. They could have him reciting the Athanasian Creed and it would still be meaningless Meaningless only to idiots who don't know how to listen and process information to make decisions on. You claim the 2004 OBL tape is a gubmint fabrication. Based on internet amateur self-taught forensics. The fact is, the message of the tape is for American people to wake up, understand their government and military-industrial complex are working against them, and to insure their own security by having a country which respects the security of other people in other parts of the world. The message along with who that message is from is what's important about the tape. It's not about Elvis sightings to any people with brains. For you to ignore and trash this OBL anti-American government/military complex message as being part of the conspiracy and therefore irrelevant, shows it is you who are the real "false flag operatives." You pretend to be at the forefront of people desiring change, but you actually impede any meaningful progress by dismissing key and critical messages, diverting event discussions into preprogrammed strident fringe nostrums, and by making just enough background noise to make people considering new perspectives dismiss the whole subject out of hand to return to their comfort zones. Another key point of who is a "disinfo agent" or "false flag operative" is to look at what side is continuously screaming that label. "Agent provocateurs" who continually scream how their adversaries are false flags are historically the ones who have been the most compromised themselves. So deal with it, gubmint shills. You're phonies and frauds, accusing other people of your own shortcomings.
It doesn't matter what the messages on the tape are.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
#102. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#101)
now the factaphobic is really in a tizzy.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#103. To: AGAviator, *9-11*, *Escape From ElPee*, *Humor-Weird News*, buckeroo, Turtle, all (#101)
For you to ignore and trash this anti-American government/military complex message as being part of a conspiracy and irrelevant, shows it is you who are the real "false flag operatives." You pretend to be at the forefront of people desiring change, but you actually impede any meaningful progress by dismissing key and critical messages, diverting event discussions into preprogrammed strident fringe nostrums, and by making just enough background noise to make people considering new perspectives dismiss the whole subject out of hand to return to their comfort zones. Another key point of who is a "disinfo agent" or "false flag operative" is to look at what side is continuously screaming that label. "Agent provocateurs" who continually scream how their adversaries are historically the ones who have been the most compromised themselves. So deal with it, gubmint shills. You're phonies and frauds, accusing other people of your own shortcomings. Oh this is rich....
#101. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, buckeroo, turtle (#96)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#104. To: IRTorqued, Eric Stratton, Original_Intent (#102)
Hahahahaha
now the factaphobic is really in a tizzy.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#105. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#44)
Another idiotic statement from a non-qualified internet imbecile. This time on aviation. Anybody with more than a couple hours of flight instruction will tell you the most difficult aspects of flying an aircraft are landings, followed by takeoffs. Keeping a plane going straight and on course even at high speed is maybe 5% of the total knowledge and capability needed. The above holds especially true in clear and smooth weather with extended visual ability, an autopilot, and a preprogrammed route. There have even been instances where aircrews have been disciplined for not having anyone at the controls for several minutes, and the planes still traveled safely. The hijackers did not take the planes off themselves, and waited until the planes were at their assigned altitudes before taking over and changing courses on routes that had already been surveyed and plotted. There was nothing to it. Even so, 2 out of the 4 hijacked planes had problems with their attacks due to unexpected events and inexperienced pilots. The 270/330 degreee Pentagon hit on the rear of the building, instead of the front where the top officials had their offices. In a descending power turn, the Pentagon attack pilot failed to compensate for increased lift and needed to salvage any hit at all on the building by coming in from the back, and hitting at a less than straight on 90 degree angle. In the crash in Pennsylvania, the aircraft failed to hit any target because some brave and athletic passengers decided to swarm the attackers and able to overpower them. As recorded by telephone calls at the time they did it. The New York planes were able to hit their targets. That's 50% success completed missions, maybe give Pentagon another 10%-15% for hitting the Pentagon in a different location than planned, and 0% for the Pennsylvania crash. So you actually have your "inexperienced pilot" scenario. But since that doesn't mesh with your own mythology you accuse the gubmint of, you dismiss and ignore the facts, as usual.
"19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" who can't fly competently a single engine Cessna can suddenly fly a Jumbo Jet Airliner like a Master Pilot and remain invisible to the most advanced air defense system.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
#106. To: IRTorqued (#102)
You wish, pud puller.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
#107. To: wudidiz (#104)
the goofenheimer must have graduated with top honors from the eweconic school of debate and applied logic .
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#108. To: AGAviator (#105)
I see you're still spreading your slime, you worm.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
#109. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#105)
How the hell does he type so fast and WhyTF does he keep pinging buckeroo and Turtle?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#110. To: AGAviator (#106)
oh, poor ag crying like a school girl.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#111. To: wudidiz, buckeroo, turtle (#103)
With all your thousands of internet sites, billions of words, and nearly 9 years you $hitbrains have had to get your 911 k00kology together, tell me exactly how how many people up for election this November will be quoted on your 911 whodunits? Oh, and how are the BC lawsuits going? BVWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!! Now that's what's rich, losers.
Oh this is rich....
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
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