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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 28396
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#362. To: buckeroo (#361)
The amount of people who GAS about 911 k00ktheories has gone down since then, dimwit. There are a number of people running for election advocating the US get out of the Middle East. Up from past years. However not one of them is expressing belief in the "USG controlled demolition" theory freakshow, in spite of the CT'ers having 9 years and unending internet resources to make their case and persuade the public.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
The US Air Force's primary task has always been to protect the US from foreign attack, not from hijacked domestic civil aircraft. All commercial traffic within the US is under control of the FAA, not the US military. This means that any request for the Air Force to patrol or police the internal US civilian air traffic must come from and through the FAA. At the time of the hijackings there were several thousand aircraft in the air, over US air space. Those several thousand planes had to be landed and given orderly instructions and routes, and then tracked, to get down without crashing. Air traffic control of thousands of planes simultaneously without any advance notice is not done like musical chairs where you just grab the nearest seat and damn any consequences. There has to be an ordered emergency procedure which takes a number of minutes to clear the skies. All aircraft, even hostile military aircraft, normally use transponders to show their locations to their own sides. The hostile aircraft can turn off their transponders once inside hostile territory, but then run the risk of getting shot down by any of their own support craft once they do this. So frequently it is possible to identify hostile aircraft through transponders, which is much easier than trying to track a few objects hundreds of miles away with weak radar signals, scattered among thousands of aircraft with strong transponder signals. However the transponders of all 4 hijacked aircraft were turned off immediately after they were taken over so they were much harder to track. All this "Conspiracy! The USAF didn't instantly know where all the hijacked planes with no transponder signals were!" are products of the usual suspects - internet rubes with zero knowledge of the subject matter, in this case aviation.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
That was an excellent response and to the point; earlier on my response to the same question, I was being ludicrous .... as it is one of my nasty traits.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Thanks, I'm gradually putting together a list of all the CT's I've debunked over the last couple months, with summarized facts, links, discussions, and conclusions. Then I'm going to post it so we can see the track record of the CT's in one issue after another, together with their denials, arm-wavings, and refusals to acknowledge the most basic realties in so many different subjects: From "The moon landings didn't ever happen," to "Hawaii doesn't have Obama's original Birth Certificate" even though Hawaii's official says she has personally gone gone into the vault and reviewed it (Obama's original BC is not some sort of religious relic where just anybody can go up and start handling it, it's stored in a vault to preserve it), to the "WTC's are conteolled demolitions" even though there are explicit quotes of firepeople taking about how the fires are out of control and Building 7 is in jeopardy of collapse.. There are lots more, should be interesting.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
Then I'm going to post it so we can see the track record of the CT's in one issue after another, together with their denials, arm-wavings, and refusals to acknowledge the most basic realties in so many different subjects: You could spend a lifetime chasing that stuff. I am much more content with just a post or two ... then again, I have a lot of other work to perform.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
The number that think that what we've been spoon fed has increased steadily Bullshit right back at you. Show me a poll. Show me a viable candidate anywhere. Show me a single confessor out of the thousands of people who would had to coordinate to distribution and setup of WTC buildings collapses. 911truth.org actually commissioned a 2006 Zogby poll asking "Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation" which of course is totally different than saying "the US government destroyed the WTC buildings using controlled demoltions." Since 911truth paid for the poll themselves, they had the opportunity to make one if its questions "Did the USG use controlled demolitions to destroy the buildings and/or the Pentagon." They did not because they knew they would get a very unfavorable response. This is typical Twoofer behavior. They start out on one subject, then move the goalposts, introduce unsupported additional claims and so-called facts, wordsmith the replies, and eventually claim support for subjects never originally mentioned. Per their own website, 911truth.org is already interfacing with the poll business. Go to 911truth and ask them why they haven't had a poll with an explicit "USG did 911" question it it. QED pwned.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
All this useless vitriol and I still don't have a positive ID on yuklown or Mad Dog. Tomorrow it's back to writing annual reviews, there's still hope for a "Meets Standards", buck.
Is there even a way for a non-sysop to find a positive ID of someone posting on a website? Besides, what would you do with such information? Harrass them via e-mail? Sign them up for a Columbia CD club membership or some sort of raunchy gay sex magazine? While it would be funny it's pretty childish.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
No, but those are all great ideas...
LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
If you think you're fooling anyone other than buck, stone or turtle, you're mistaken. The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given. The order wasn't given.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
You're a Six Percenter, who can't deal with details and instead attempts to stuff all reality into a "once size fits all" CT which relieves you of the burden of processing new information and thinking. My posting of an OBL 2004 video, in which he explicitly states that both the USG and al Qaeda are both in the process of bankrupting the USA through endless warfighting, are "playing as one team," "albeit for different reasons," and my posting of a Noam Chomsky interview, where Chomsky says that extensive discussions of poorly- defined controlled demolition theories leads to unproductive areas, can hardly be described as "Neocon talking points" to any reasonable person. Please explain how in your opinion they do.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings. Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
I've experienced this sort of mentality before first hand. From people that I am absolutely sure they've no motivation to argue other than that is what they truly think. Some people are quite intelligent, articulate and knowledgeable. They just lack the key ability to discern and understand. The ability is contingent on the desire or willingness to know the truth. The desire to know the truth and the desire to win an argument based on one's own preconceived false notion cannot coexist at the same time.
Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot. So you're saying that there is no air defense in this nation capable of protecting the national capital, eh?
Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot. My Father was a fighter pilot and airline pilot. I was around the Military for 20 years. If the U.S. Airforce wanted those planes removed from the sky, they would be removed from the sky. Period.
So if I'm a little faggot, what's that make you? Projection appears to be your forte here, perhaps your ass is a bit sore today?
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I've said that at the time the 911 hijackings happened, All had to have taken place within 20-40 minutes for "first time" occurrences. Ridiculous.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Arguing with them is perhaps pointless as far as getting them to change their minds. Then when they get angry due to "getting their wires crossed" or WhateverTF it is that's going on, they project. Hence the name calling. Personally I find the circular arguments and the intellectual dishonesty tiresome and boring.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
If the hijackers had 60, the Airforce had 60. Fighters should have been up there following those planes within 15 minutes. They weren't because they weren't ordered to.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
We could start a music thread.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Someone who's given you sufficient amounts of information you can't rebut to start on your tactics in the first place.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
Fighters should have been up there following those planes within 15 minutes. They weren't because they weren't ordered to. 911 Myths: 67 NORAD Intercepts With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
You don't give information, you give BS and use already discredited claims as your "proof". You ignore anything that doesn't suit your world view, and tap dance around hoping to impress the easily amused. The only "rebut" you have is what you get from your boyfriend "Re" each evening.
Once again, little faggot, bring your own shit and psycodramas onto the thread. Origially you challenged me to produce a link about 20,000 gallons of fuel feeding uncontrolled WTC 7 fires for hours. Then you tried to protect your pathetic little bottom by saying "Even if true" at the end. I told you do your own research. You posed the question over 10 hours ago. Instead of getting your own answer you continued on the personal attack the speaker level even though the information is freely available all over the sections of the internet that are not dominated by k00ks. I say again. The WTC 7 building fires were fed by over 20,000 gallons of fuel for emergency power supplies. So prove me wrong, little faggot, and stop your blithering about anybody else but you and your fellow k00ks being liars and discredited claims. And keep your fagtalk to your fellow circlejerks.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky
As opposed to chiming in with sarcasm on occasion, why not add some facts to support your doubts and suspicions? It will make you feel like an accomplished poster!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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....oh the irony....
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#363. To: Eric Stratton (#357)
What, you gonna cite home prices as of January '06 as "the going rate" too.
#364. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, (#360)
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Buckeroo. Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond?
#365. To: AGAviator, AKA Stone (#364)
#366. To: buckeroo (#365)
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That was an excellent response and to the point
#367. To: AGAviator (#366)
.... I'm gradually putting together a list of all the CT's I've debunked over the last couple months, with summarized facts, links, discussisons, and conclusions.
#368. To: AGAviator, All (#363)
#369. To: Eric Stratton, turtle, buckeroo'critter (#368)
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Bullshit!
#370. To: AGAviator, all (#369)
#371. To: AGAviator (#369)
#372. To: buckeroo (#365)
one of my nasty traits.
#373. To: Samuel Gray, buckeroo (#372)
All this useless vitriol and I still don't have a positive ID on yuklown or Mad Dog.
#374. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#373)
#375. To: Samuel Gray (#374)
No, but those are all great ideas...
#376. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#364)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#377. To: wudidiz (#376)
#378. To: Eric Stratton, christine, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#370)
You're a walking Neocon talking point!
#379. To: wudidiz (#376)
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The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given
#380. To: Eric Stratton (#377)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#381. To: AGAviator (#379)
You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#382. To: AGAviator (#379)
You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#383. To: AGAviator (#344)
What a little faggot you are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#384. To: AGAviator, All (#379)
#385. To: FormerLurker, wududiz, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#381)
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So you're saying that there is no air defense in this nation capable of protecting the national capital, eh?
(1) The USAF was principally charged with protecting the country from external threats,
So the USAF had 20-60 minutes to figure out a hijacking took place, figure out it was dangerous new type of suicide mission, clear thousands of regular craft from the sky, scramble jets, get vectors on hijacked planes flying with transponders off, guess destinations, and intercept the hijacked aircraft.
(2) All civilian USA air traffic is controlled by the FAA, not the USAF, so any USAF actions would have to be done in conjunction with the FAA,
(3) The existing hijacking scenarios presumed the aircraft transponders would be secretly squawked to 7500 and not turned off causing the signatures to completely disappear from the screen,
(4) The existing hijacking scenarios presumed hijacked planes would land somewhere, not be turned into suicide bombs traveling at 450- 500 knots to crash into targets, and
(5) OBL himself says in his October 2004 interview the hijackers were trained to finish their missions within 20 minutes, but due to Bush being more concerned with a goat butting story than airplanes butting the WTC, the hijackers had 60 minutes and not 20 to complete their tasks. Which they didn't comletely need though they did take more than 20
#386. To: AGAviator, All (#378)
#387. To: wudidiz (#380)
#388. To: wudidiz (#380)
#389. To: Eric Stratton, FormerLurker (#388)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#390. To: wudidiz (#389)
#391. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#385)
the hijackers had 60 minutes and not 20 to complete their tasks
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#392. To: wudidiz (#391)
#393. To: Eric Stratton (#392)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#394. To: wudidiz (#393)
#395. To: FormerLurker (#383)
So if I'm a little faggot, what's that make you?
#396. To: wudidiz (#391)
If the hijackers had 60, the Airforce had 60.
In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999.
#397. To: AGAviator (#395)
Someone who's given you sufficient amounts of information you can't rebut to start on your tactics in the first place.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#398. To: FormerLurker, turtle, buckeroo, critter (#397)
#399. To: Eric Stratton, AGAviator (#384)
Otherwise, fine, have it your way, there was no coverup, no hurry to dispense with evidence, all of the firefighters and police on video were obviously delusional all day long, and our Government can be fully trusted.
#400. To: Original_Intent, *9-11* (#399)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#401. To: buckeroo, Eric Stratton (#399)
As opposed to chiming in with sarcasm on occasion, why not add some facts.....
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
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