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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#685. To: Original_Intent (#684)
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And steal kidneys. And a get out of Tora Bora Free card. Why Binny must be the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known-- which is why the FBI opted not to seek his arrest for 911 crimes. I think they were scared. And the single most lethal enemy mind the US has ever faced. (he used mind control to FORCE Bush to fly his family members home)
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And their briefing books/talking points have gotten better. The internet has now been salted with enough disinformation sites that they have manufactured their own "experts". Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively. Example: The False Memory Syndrome Foundation and American Family Foundation and American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations fall into this category, as their founding members and/or leadership include key persons associated with CIA Mind Control research. Read The Professional Paranoid or Phsychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. by Alex Constantine for more information. Not so curious, then, that (in a perhaps oversimplified explanation here) these organizations focus on, by means of their own "research findings", that there is no such thing as Mind Control.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And steal kidneys. And a get out of Tora Bora Free card. Why Binny must be the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known-- which is why the FBI opted not to seek his arrest for 911 crimes. I think they were scared. Aha! That explains it. The FBI is quivering in fear that Osama might turn the Magic Cellphone® on them. The pusillanimous little worms.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The pusillanimous little worms were also under the dastardly and diabolical conrol of the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known. There are no bounds to the ultimate mind control of Binny. Call me paranoid if you must, but I think we might also be under the dastardly and diabolical control of Binny. He even stubbed my toe today. It's true.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It was the only private plane to fly in the entire nation that day. Snopes.Com: Urban Legends - Flights of Fancy Debunking During that two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air. The enforcement of the empty skies directive was so stringent that even after the United Network for Organ Sharing sought and gained FAA clearance to use charter aircraft on ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your point is granted. There is not sufficient evidence available to cross check.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The pusillanimous little worms were also under the dastardly and diabolical conrol of the most diabolical mastermind this nation has ever known. There are no bounds to the ultimate mind control of Binny. Call me paranoid if you must, but I think we might also be under the dastardly and diabolical control of Binny. He even stubbed my toe today. It's true. And I bet he was behind the sinking of the Andrea Doria too.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Snopes is not a reliable source.
Haha.. After seeing their skewering of the Obama BC efforts, including their conclusions that Philip Berg submitted forged evidence, a judge's statement that Berg's arguments bordered on the unreasonable, mentioning both Hawaii newspapers putting announcements of a Hawaii birth into their publications, and quoting the recollections of one person who personally knew the delivering obstetrician, I can see why. But they still pwn you BC'ers, in that big bad 94% world the rest of us live in.....
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm horrified as are you. I was even more horrified when a schizo with a long mental health history pushed a beautiful woman in front of a subway train knowing that he'd be hospitalized instead of jailed with nurses fluffing his pillows instead of inmates bashing his brains in. (A Jew in NYC who murdered a Gentile no less. What did I expect, a lynching? Not likely....) The sad truth is there are some seriously disturbed people out there (Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy, Steinberg, Einhorn, Ferguson) and the only way to understand their thinking is to be equally disturbed. However violent my aversion to them may be (if I caught them in the act I'd quickly kill them without hesitation) if I arrested them after the fact I'd hand them over to the system that medicates and warehouses them. There are few in our history who were sicker than Ed Gein, but he spent the rest of his life in custody and he presented no problems in an environment where his mischief was limited. The world is brimming with emotionally retarded men who objectify women, and the result is that some cannot accept rejection. Some men believe that it's ok to maim or even kill women that make their little peckers "sad". Given the present state of affairs I shudder to think how many there are walking among us. And, the Medieval practice of beating the demons out of people is just that-Medieval. Try not to let the reality of this tilt you over the edge. Otherwise, I won't relate to or understand your illness, either.
Yeah, I guess you mean the 94 % like your flat earther ancestors. The effort you expend to continue the governmental fabrication speaks to your disregard for the truth, the country and your pitiful little self.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces
Snopes? Due to a legal (and cowardly) threat by Snopes.com in February 2006, the original rebuttal of their appalling debunk attempt of Hunt the Boeing! had to be taken down. You can read the copy of Snopes' complaint letter here This is the "legal" version. I recommend you open up Snopes' debunking attempt in a separate window and put both windows side-by-side vertically when reading. My own comments will be in red. Of course, "false" is just their opinion. Next they seem to try to denigrate his claim by saying he doesn't offer any "real explanation" for what "did." Notice they italicized "did." Why is it so important for Meyssan to offer an explanation of what did? If there is evidence that something didn't, why would it be up to him to guess what did? Shouldn't those questions be asked to the officials who told us what crashed there? However, Meyssan does offer a theory that a missile hit the Pentagon instead. Next Snopes attempts to answer the seven questions in Meyssan's Hunt the Boeing! website: 1) Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly Snopes answers that the Boeing 757 not only damaged the outside of the Pentagon, but caused damage to all five rings by offering this graphic drawing as their proof. Also, the graphic states that the 757 tore through five floors and all five rings. However, the official version states that the 757 tore through only the 1st and 2nd floors and only up to the 3rd ring, ring C. (Click graphic for full size.) Next they show an article from 60 Minutes II which states the section the 757 hit had recently been reinforced during a renovation project and the article states that the 757 hit at "350 mph." First, the speed of the plane hitting in that article, 350mph, is wrong. The official speed was 530mph (perhaps they just got it backwards?) "American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour." - 9/11 Commission Second, Snopes' doesn't see the amazing coincidence that this errant plane hit the only section of the Pentagon that was being retrofitted to "bolster it against attack" and that is was best section for the Pentagon to have been hit and the worst section for the hijackers to have hit. "Luck — if it can be called that — had it that the terrorists aimed the Boeing 757 at the only part of the Pentagon that already had been renovated in an 11-year, $1.3 billion project meant to bolster it against attack. That significantly limited the damage and loss of life by slowing the plane as it tore through the building and reducing the explosion's reach." - USA Today (1/01/02) "Schwartz explained that renovations on the Pentagon began several years earlier and were nearing completion, particularly the section called Wedge 1, when the crash occurred. He said the plane struck the building almost in the middle of the space where the renovation had been completed. Personnel had not completely reoccupied this area of the building. "This contributed to the relatively low number of casualties," Schwartz said. "The number could have been far greater had the plane struck another portion of the building not affected by the renovation.” - Fort Meade/Army Next they say exterior photographs are misleading and because they don't reveal what happened inside the building and shows a U.S. Army press release which says an "engine" from the 757 punched a 12-foot hole through the wall of the "second ring." This is incorrect according to the Pentagon which said it was the plane’s nose that punched out a hole in the wall and did it in the wall of the 3rd ring, not the second. Next they try to compare the Pentagon crash with the WTC crashes. They state the wrong speed of the plane again and then state that the plane had some of it's energy "dissipated" after it struck the ground first. Photos clearly show that the 757 did not hit the ground at all even with it's two large engines hanging underneath it and even a witnesses to the supposed crash said nothing hit the ground: Terry Morin - "I then confirmed that the aircraft had been flown directly into the Pentagon without hitting the ground first or skipping into the building." They then say more damage was done to the building than just the "outside" by showing this photo that shows the entire of three rings being renovated: The official story does say the 757 penetrated all the way to the 3rd ring and photos do show a punch-out hole in the 3rd ring's wall. 2) Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of Snopes says eyewitnesses describe and photos demonstrate that the 757 hit the ground first which dissipated much of it's energy and that's why it didn't cause more damage than it would have and say that too. They also state a New York Times article stating hit between the 1st and 2nd floors, not just the ground floor. Lastly they mention another account which says that the plane "banked sharply," clipped some light poles, and then hit the helipad that is right in front and to the left of the section hit. The account then goes on to say that the roof of the section hit collapsed 30 minutes after the crash (which officially was at 9:37 am), but rescuers were able to pull out all the injured before the collapse. The account finishes with saying that the fires in that section were so hot that the fire fighters weren't able to approach the impact point until about 1 pm. First, as already mentioned above, close-up photos of the scene clearly show nothing struck the ground for and also confirmed by a witness. Note that a big part of Snopes' debunking attempt falls on there claim that the 757 hit the ground first and that's why it didn't cause as much damage as it otherwise would. Since it is clear nothing struck the ground first, this puts a big hole in Snopes' argument. Second, the photo they link to shows the photos from the Pentagon's security camera that allegedly shows the crash. However, it is impossible to tell in those photos that anything struck the ground in those photos. Third, the account they mention says the 757 banked sharply, however there is no evidence of this that I'm aware of and it seems odd that they said the fires were so hot that the fire crews could only approach the area at about 1 pm, yet rescuers were able to approach this section to evacuate all the injured hours early and before the roof collapsed 30 minutes after the crash happened. 3) You'll remember that the aircraft only hit the ground floor of the Pentagon's first ring. Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph? First, Flight 77 must have traveled at least 800 miles from when it took off near D.C. until it reached the Pentagon, so it wasn't exactly full of fuel. Second, the debris in the photo they show is interesting for a couple of reasons: Notice that it doesn't have any burn or scrape marks on it after it supposedly hit a reinforced wall at 530mph and exploded. This piece is near the front end of the plane which supposedly "disappeared" inside the building. Why didn't it going into the building along with the rest of the plane when it was located closer to the front end of the plane? How did it manage to land so far away from the impact epicenter with only one other small piece of debris scattered around it? The piece is small and light enough to be carried by hand which makes you wonder if it was planted and that's the reason it has no burn or scrape marks on it and why it's so far away from the epicenter with only one other piece beside it. Third, they seem to claim that most of the 115 ton plane was destroyed from the impacting the reinforced wall, exploding, and anything left burned up inside from the "intense fire" from all the jet fuel. I wonder how they would explain how all but one of the 64 passenger's bodies were able to be recovered inside the building as claimed? 4) Can you explain why the Defence Secretary deemed it necessary to sand over the lawn, which was otherwise undamaged after the attack? I have never been able to find who it was that ordered the lawn to be sanded. Snopes' point about the heavy equipment there is a valid one, but it is still interesting that they covered up the lawn that would be seen afterwards by everyone that is was undamaged from the crash. 5) Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage? First, Snopes' explanation of what happened to the wingtips of the 757 is nothing short of hilarious! I don't know what would cause the wingtips to be "pushed inward" towards the fuselage after breaking off from hitting the wall and then what would carry them into the building? I would love to see a animated demonstration of that from them! Maybe it would look something like the graphic below! They also never mention the trajectory of how the 757 supposedly crashed which officially was Second, if the wingtips did break off from impacting the way, they should have either crumpled up and bounced off and still be visible on the ground, or be obliterated in which it would have left a visible impression in the limestone masonry wall from where that happened. Third, the photo they provide that shows damage to the building caused from the wings is hardly "plainly visible" from such a blurred photo taken far away. There are photos that show damage seemingly caused from the wings, however there no evidence of any wings left afterward. (Click for larger size.) 6) Can you explain why the County Fire Chief could not tell reporters where the aircraft was? Snopes says the fire chief wasn't asked where the 757 was, but if there was anything left of the plane in which the chief said there were no large sections left by the time he was asked the next day because the plane had smashed into small pieces and then burned up and all that remained inside were smaller pieces. Q: Is there anything left of the aircraft at all? Plaugher: First all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing. Q: Chief, there are small pieces of the plane virtually all over, out over the highway, tiny pieces. Would you say the plane exploded, virtually exploded on impact due to the fuel or -- Plaugher: You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know. - DoD (09/12/01) Notice that the chief admits there were no large sections found, but only "some small pieces" visible inside which supports some conspiracy theorists claim that no 757 crash there, but a few "757" plane parts were planted inside the building just like Operation Northwoods mentions doing when talking about faking a plane crash: c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts... 7) Can you find the aircraft's point of impact? Snopes says the impact site is obscured by water spray and smoke in the photos, but a two-story high hole does exist behind the fireman. The say it wasn't possible for photographs to capture a view of the impact point from the brief time between the crash until the roof collapsed. Actually, there are a few photos that clearly show the impact point. A couple of things are interesting to point out, it doesn’t look like the tail section did any damage to the 3rd story of the building. What happened to the tail section of this 757? Snopes finishes their debunk attempt with an update of the "Pentagon Strike" flash video released in August 2004 and lists a couple of websites were it can be found. Why didn't they include the link to the official "Pentagon Strike" website? http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/ In my opinion, Snopes' debunk attempt of Hunt the Boeing! is appalling. It is riddled with factual errors according to the official story, bad photos that don't prove much of their case, and imaginative physics. I'll I have to say about their debunking attempt is... U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Why didn't they include the link to the official "Pentagon Strike" website? http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/ In my opinion, Snopes' debunk attempt of Hunt the Boeing! is appalling. It is riddled with factual errors according to the official story, bad photos that don't prove much of their case, and imaginative physics. I'll I have to say about their debunking attempt is... U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Cell phones didn't work at cruising altitudes back in 2001. Even the FBI says that Olson didn't receive any phone calls from his wife.. Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials
So much for k00ks: 136 eyewitnesses saw an effing airplane heading towards the Pentagon, with 103 of them seeing it hit. There was also DNA analysis done on the bodies and pieces of bodies returned to the family members of the people who died that morning. The perpetuation of ghoulish lies alleging these passengers were killed elsewhere by some unknown methods is quite disgusting to any sane and reasonable person.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People saw SOMETHING hit, but the reports conflict as to what path the plane took, and how many planes there were. Two Pentagon police officers stated the plane passed OVER the Pentagon THEN something else hit the Pentagon wall.
So what happened to the plane? I find it likely that the police officers, if they made this statement at all, are being quoted out of context in typical CT fashion. As I've said, the "supposed 270/330 degree precision turn" was actually an attempt by an inexperienced pilot to salvage a large plane getting too much lift to hit its original target on a power dive - the original target being the Potomac facing offices where the Pentagon's top executives and programs were. The extra lift at high speed required the plane to come in after making a sweeping turn, and hit the back of the building, which was being renovated at the time and not even fully occupied, in order to hit the building at all. If there is any truth at all to this police quote, they could be referring to the initial high speed pass which overshot the building, then be confused about the low flying aircraft which they were not in a favorable position to see. I'll go with the 103 people, including one who says the plane came in so close he had to hit the ground.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's some real physics from a company in the business of forensic analysis.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See above for excellent forensic analysis combining spot-on graphics with documented news photos.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hallucinatory fantasies about non-existent conspiracies are just so much more fun than boring truth.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Bullshit. It turned and descended like a military fighter, according to experienced air traffic controllers monitoring the approach. THAT, and it flew just over treetops once it came out of its turn, travelling at over 500 mph, and in the last fractions of a second, descended down to where it was flying straight and level with its engines just 3 feet over the Pentagon lawn, before striking the Pentagon wall at ground level staight on. Even highly experienced pilots would have trouble with that, since the plane was NOT slowing down, was NOT using flaps, and would have experienced tremendous GROUND EFFECT by flying so close to the ground at high speed. Ground effect causes the plane to climb due to much higher lift than usual, where a pilot would need to force the plane's nose down to keep it from climbing. Thing is, the nose was NOT down otherwise it would have hit into the ground leaving a crater rather than hitting the Pentagon wall as it did.
Yeah, you seem to have quite a few delusions of angry arabs who hated us for "our freedoms" pulling off a James Bond attack against the United States, defeating the world's largest military, and wreaking havoc on its citizens. If your fantasy didn't cause any harm, well so be it, but it has caused UNTOLD suffering and loss of human life, due to people such as yourself who cheer for bloodshed against people who have done us no wrong and caused us no harm. People such as you are dangerous.
The part of the building which was hit happened to have computers and personnel involved with naval operations, and civilian accounting staff. Odd that the accounting office was hit, since just the day before Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon couldn't account for 2.3 TRILLION dollars.
That's calling Ted Olson a liar, when it's clear that theologian-masquerading- as-a-scientist David Ray Griffin who consistently uses half-truths buttressed by out of context quotes is the biggest liar around. First of all the cell phones did work in 2001 although their coverage and call duration were spotty. They worked better above country sites than over cities. Also some passengers used seat phones installed on the aircraft which people generally lump into "mobile" or "cell" phones when classifying the type of calls they get. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[119] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[117] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, they didn't say they saw a plane pass over the Pentagon, I may have gotten that part confused with some other report. They DID however say that the plane they both saw did NOT fly from the same direction as told by the "official story", which they were not even aware of.
More important than hitting Rumsfeld's office? Could they at least have cleared the construction material - that was hit, care to explain how it was damaged and knocked sideways if no wing clipped it - directly in front of the entry hole? And had their thingmabob hit the wall at 90 degrees straight on instead of an oblique 60-something degrees angle? Would have made a better collision. Was the oblique entry hole angle part of the preprogrammed attack too? And who scattered the aircraft parts both inside the building where they got scorched, and across the lawn? And the DNA evidence, which identified everybody listed who died except a baby, that's all faked and none of the relatives has ever found out? Beyond pathetic.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seems like your friend Marvin Sirbu, has a few problems in the way of ethics... So how come those "hijackers" are still alive? Did they have super duper space suits on and ejected themselves up to a super secret AL-CIADA space ship waiting for them in orbit?
They both draw a flight path showing the plane taking the same path as depicted in the above videos I posted, hitting at an oblique angle. Do they say it was a cruise missile? That's all the CT's have? Where's the beef?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As far as the odd coincidence that the plane just happened to hit a recently REINFORCED section of the Pentagon, I guess that just passes right through the air in your head, doesn't it...
Was the oblique entry hole angle part of the preprogrammed attack too? If it were 90 degrees straight on, it might have raised even further questions as to how an inept pilot could pull that off. It's pretty much impossible for an inept pilot to have done what occured that day as it is, but many people are too stupid to understand that.
19 out of 19 hijackers are dead, with Saudi acknowledging 15 of them and telling their families. Depends on who you say were the hijackers. False documents, common names with other people, different phonetic spellings, stolen ID's, etc. can explain any other discrepancies that aren't products of cut and picking half truths out of a complete body of evidence.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WRONG! YOU and the government CT followers claim the aircraft approached from south of the Citgo station, whereas the two officers drew a line showing a flight path NORTH of the Citgo station. Lightpoles which you and your pals claim were knocked down, were NOT knocked down when the two officers investigated. The blue line in the image below depicts the two officer's testimony, the red line is the path YOU and your pals claim the plane took. I guess the fact that they're alive and well, going on TV, and explaining that they had nothing to do with 9/11, doesn't change your view on that, eh? Do you believe in the tooth faery too?
In the post above, you say "recently REINFORCED section" Now you're saying how "they" also didn't want to make too obvious of a straight on hole so their cover story could be more credible. So now your story is "they" sent a missile directly into a stronger than normal section, at a less than normal collision direction, making two factors reduce the impact force of "their" attack of whatever "they" wanted to hit. Do you understand how stupid this sounds, to work with your right hand against your left, so to speak? I'm starting to feel sorry for you needing to make all this stuff up to des·per·ate·ly make your CT hold up. I'm gonna not post for the rest of the day.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW AGAv, where are all those video tapes showing the aircraft approach and impact? Oh that's right, the FBI confiscated them and never released them, except for one from inside the Citgo station that doesn't show anything.
So now your story is "they" sent a missile directly into a stronger than normal section, at a less than normal collision direction, making two factors reduce the impact force of "their" attack of whatever "they" wanted to hit. Do you understand how stupid this sounds, to work with your right hand against your left, so to speak? Let me explain it to you in simple terms, since you appear to have some serious issues with comprehension. Those behind the attacks didn't want to destroy the Pentagon, they wanted to do something spectacular for the TV cameras. By hitting the strongest section, they caused minimal damage yet had some spectacular footage. THAT and they ALSO eliminated any pesky evidence on those computers that were destroyed in that section of the building.
BTW, where is the tail section of the aircraft? Where are the wings?
Just as luck would have it, the impact was centered amongst the bean counters who, as luck would have it, lost all the data that could determine where that $2.3 trillion missing per news accounts on 9-10 went. But, it's all just coincidence. I bet those hijackers had a fatwa out on the heads of bean counters in the Pentegaon.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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#686. To: IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, all (#680)
the members of the liar movement will believe anything the government tells them and for a small fee shout those lies from the roof tops if they also supply the talking points.
#687. To: abraxas (#685)
And he's armed with a Magic Cellphone®
#688. To: Original_Intent (#687)
The pusillanimous little worms.
#689. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#655)
One of the events immediately after 9/11 was the 9/12 flyout of the Saudi Bin Ladin family PRIVATE JET back to Saudi Arabia.
Claim: Secret flights whisked bin Laden family members and Saudi nationals out of the U.S. immediately after
Status: False.
Origins: In the wake of the
The claim that bin Laden family members (and other Saudis) were allowed to secretly fly out of the U.S. and back to Saudi Arabia while a government- imposed ban on air travel was in effect, all without any intervention by the FBI, has since been negated by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission"). In their final report, the commission noted:
First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of [National Security Council official] Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United State on charter flights. The Saudi government was advised of and agree to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.
The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#690. To: AGAviator (#683)
#691. To: abraxas (#688)
The pusillanimous little worms.
#692. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas (#689)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#693. To: wudidiz, turtle, buckeroo, X-15 (#692)
Snopes is not a reliable source.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#694. To: Turtle (#36)
"What exactly do you think of some monkey who throws sulfuric acid in a beautiful woman's face because he can't have her......?"
#695. To: AGAviator, ALL, EVERYONE, THIS MEANS YOU (#693)
But they still pwn you BC'ers, in that big bad 94% world the rest of us live in.....
#696. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas (#689)
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/debunking/snopes.html
Snopes.com's debunking attempt starts out by saying that Thierry Meyssan's claim that the damage to the Pentagon on September 11 was caused by something other than a hijacked Boeing 757 is "false." 
I think that it's quite humorous that they use a graphic drawing as proof, not only because it's a graphic, but the graphic is wrong! First the graphic shows a grey line (which I guess is trying to show the trajectory of the 757) going straight up through the damaged section shown in red. However, the 757 was said to have hit at a 45 deg angle.
Snopes says you can't see any plane debris because the 757 disappeared into the building and any large pieces of debris left inside burned up from in the intense fire that followed from the jet being "full of fuel." Then they mention that some small debris was visible outside, but in another photo that they demonstrate.
Snopes says the order from the Defence Secretary to sand over the lawn is false and the reason it was sanded over was so trucks and other heavy equipment used there wouldn't slip and slide in the grass.
#697. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas (#696)
Snopes finishes their debunk attempt with an update of the "Pentagon Strike" flash video released in August 2004 and lists a couple of websites were it can be found.
#698. To: AGAviator (#649)
And the fact some 30 passengers made cell phone calls between takeover and crashes, including Barbara Olson, describing the attacks, the injuries and deaths caused by the attackers
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#699. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#696)
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So much for Snopes!
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#700. To: AGAviator (#699)
136 eyewitnesses saw an effing airplane heading towards the Pentagon, with 103 of them seeing it hit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#701. To: FormerLurker (#700)
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Two Pentagon police officers stated the plane passed OVER the Pentagon THEN something else hit the Pentagon wall
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#702. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#697)
In my opinion, Snopes' debunk attempt of Hunt the Boeing! is appalling. It is riddled with factual errors according to the official story, bad photos that don't prove much of their case, and imaginative physics
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#703. To: buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#702)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#704. To: AGAviator (#702)
#705. To: AGAviator (#701)
As I've said, the "supposed 270/330 degree precision turn" was actually an attempt by an inexperienced pilot to salvage a large plane getting too much lift to hit its original target on a power dive - the original target being the Potomac facing offices where the Pentagon's top executives and programs were.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#706. To: Turtle (#704)
Hallucinatory fantasies about non-existent conspiracies are just so much more fun than boring truth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#707. To: AGAviator (#701)
The extra lift at high speed required the plane to come in after making a sweeping turn, and hit the back of the building, which was being renovated at the time and not even fully occupied, in order to hit the building at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#708. To: FormerLurker (#706)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#709. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critter (#698)
Even the FBI says that Olson didn't receive any phone calls from his wife..
Phone calls After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[116] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[117] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[118] Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[118]
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#710. To: AGAviator (#701)
I find it likely that the police officers, if they made this statement at all, are being quoted out of context in typical CT fashion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#711. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, X-15, critteer (#707)
Odd that the accounting office was hit, since just the day before Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon couldn't account for 2.3 TRILLION dollars.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#712. To: AGAviator (#709)
Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[118]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#713. To: AGAviator (#711)
And the DNA evidence, which identified everybody listed who died except a baby, that's all faked and none of the relatives has ever found out?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#714. To: FormerLurker (#710)
They DID however say that the plane they both saw did NOT fly from the same direction
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#715. To: AGAviator (#711)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#716. To: AGAviator (#711)
And had their thingmabob hit the wall at 90 degrees straight on instead of an oblique 60-something degrees angle? Would have made a better collision.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#717. To: FormerLurker (#713)
So how come those "hijackers" are still alive?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#718. To: AGAviator (#714)
They both draw a flight path showing the plane taking the same path as depicted in the above videos I posted, hitting at an oblique angle.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#719. To: AGAviator (#717)
19 out of 19 hijackers are dead, with Saudi acknowledging 15 of them and telling their families.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#720. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, (#716)
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If it were 90 degrees straight on, it might have raised even further questions as to how an inept pilot could pull that off
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#721. To: AGAviator (#717)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#722. To: AGAviator (#720)
Now you're saying how "they" also didn't want to make too obvious of a straight on hole so their cover story could be more credible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#723. To: AGAviator (#720)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#724. To: FormerLurker (#722)
Those behind the attacks didn't want to destroy the Pentagon, they wanted to do something spectacular for the TV cameras. By hitting the strongest section, they caused minimal damage yet had some spectacular footage.
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