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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#735. To: Turtle (#732)
You strike me as the repubican type...but you probably like REALLY young boys, yeah ?
I guess you're in trouble with your bosses, eh?
AGitprop
Seems like your friend Marvin Sirbu, has a few problems in the way of ethics... Marvin Sirbu's Moral Mazes As I suggested earlier, but didn't follow up the "worthy" Professor is a "Rent-a-Prof" looking for more of dems nice gubbermint grants n shit. The Professors statements are impeached.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
shhhhh...you don't want Farmer Jones to come back, do you?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. But Look at that Pentalawn 2000! It took an impact from a screaming 757 and is still intact. That's some tough grass.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That's almost ALWAYS the case with these "experts" who back the government story.
The need for prescise timing may be why the one jet had to pull off that tight spiral in a turn that was at, or possibly just beyond, the theoretical limits of the airframe to withstand the G forces involved in the spiral descent. Certainly that was not a maneuver pulled off by an incompetent pilot who had never flown anything larger than a single engine propeller driven Cessna 172 (with a top speed of 220 knots in a dive).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
One was possibly the real Flight 93, the other was something else. The timing was impeccible if that is actually what happened. Are there witnesses who saw both? My reason for posting the two pictures in post 728 is that the second picture seems to show that the missile or whatever it was traveled along the blue line in the first picture.
That and every little piece of the plane just vaporized, except for a tiny clean yet twisted piece of scrap that the government CT'ers hold up as "proof" that Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon. Strange how that piece of scrap isn't there in the original images though... Oh yeah, there's some aircraft parts in pictures from inside the buiding, but where is the tail, and where are the wings? With an angled impact such as the trajectory of the aircraft, a least the left wing should have torn off and slid across the front of the building. AND, the tail section should have broken off upon entry to the building.
Especially not one who couldn't center a Cessna onto a runway in order to land it.
Who are we gonna argue with then? Buck and Turtle?
Snopes=full of $#it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't know of any who saw both, but from the witness reports, there were two different flight paths.
That's almost ALWAYS the case with these "experts" who back the government story. There does seem to be a pattern. And reputable Professors who know their stuff and disagree with the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" are bought off, as the Professor at U. of NM who looked at the film early on and said it was clearly a controlled demolition, but then he went to D.C. the next week, got a big fat grant, and changed his tune. Those who maintain their integrity are attacked such as Professor Jones of BYU (who I think, financially, had the last laugh as they had to give him a golden handshake when BYU forced him out to protect all that good gubbermint grant money they get). Thomas, living on government grants, Eggar of M.I.T. (the father of the laughable sagging truss theory that has been so thoroughly discredited) will no longer even talk to reporters or independent investigators. He's holed up in his office and playing clam. Not a normal behavior for an attention seeking professor who wants to maintain his "reputation". I am rather fond of Professor Jones because despite the attempts to shut him up he's still standing, and none of the attempts to discredit him or his work have stuck because he is very careful with the facts and they are all on his side.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yes, I wonder how they were able to work out all those modalities.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. world neo kommunists all the way...
That and every little piece of the plane just vaporized, except for a tiny clean yet twisted piece of scrap that the government CT'ers hold up as "proof" that Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon. Strange how that piece of scrap isn't there in the original images though... Oh yeah, there's some aircraft parts in pictures from inside the buiding, but where is the tail, and where are the wings? With an angled impact such as the trajectory of the aircraft, a least the left wing should have torn off and slid across the front of the building. AND, the tail section should have broken off upon entry to the building. I wish I could recall where I saw it but there was a photograph of an auxilliary turbine compressor that someone spotted in one of the photos, I believe it was the Pentagon, that was not normal for 757 but would have been consistent with an S-3. I think that an S-3 painted to look like an AA jet seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen floated. It is small enough and fast enough (and as a military jet has a strong enough airframe) to have pulled off the maneuvers attributed to the airliner and yet big enough and a similar, but smaller, profile to keep the illusion alive for the few needed seconds. Also as a smaller jet it would not have been as heavily influenced by wing tip vortices and ground effect. Load one up with explosives and it is going to create quite a bang - sufficient to pull off the illusion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The Amazing Pentalawn Snopes=full of $#it. If the aircraft had hit the lawn first, A) It would have left a crater. It did not leave a crater, in fact, it didn't even scratch the lawn. Yep, that should be his new nickname...
an attack on Iran must be somewhat imminent imo...
world neo kommunists all the way... Debunking snopes.com This may come as a surprise to many of you that use snopes.com to seek the truth. For the past few years www.snopes.com has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the 'tell all final word' on any comment, claim, email or "urban legend". But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind snopes.com. Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda makes you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators or researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and-pop operation that began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago. They have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years their website gained popularity, many people believing it to be unbiased and neutral. Over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it, and did they have a selfish motivation? The reason for the questions - or skepticism - is a result of snopes.com claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issues when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues. I can personally vouch for that complaint. A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's claimed to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement the Mikkelsons claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place. I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this, and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois, who would have been willing to speak with him about it. David Mikkelson never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg that no one from snopes.com ever contacted anyone at State Farm. Yet, snopes.com issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not! We now know that the Mikkelson's are very pro-Democratic Party and extremely liberal. As we all now know from this presidential election, liberals have a purposeful agenda to discredit anything that appears to be Conservative. There has been much criticism lately over the Internet, with people pointing out the Mikkelson's liberalism revealing itself in their website findings. Now, that should come as no shock. So, I say this to everyone who goes to www.snopes.com to get what they think to be the bottom line facts: "Proceed with Caution." Take what snopes says at face value and nothing more. Use it only to lead you to their references where you can link to and read the sources for yourself. Plus, you can always Google a subject and do the research yourself. It is apparent that's all the Mikkelson's do. After all, I can personally vouch from my own experience for their 'not' fully looking into things
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I wonder if they did that to ensure there would be sufficient penetration into the Pentagon, or that it would have just been TOO impossible to actually manuever a real 757 into the flight path that it ended up taking on its terminal approach. Apparently, a normal crash of an airliner hitting the ROOF of the building would have caused too much damage perhaps?
Should have included you in the ping list for #757.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The North American Union made it patently obvious to me, but before then I hadn't ever bothered with taking them seriously as a source for anything...these people are clearly deconstructionist Big Government World Communists, doing the work of fellow travelers on the Internets to bring a new world consciousness through lies and omissions. To put it mildly.
I wonder if they did that to ensure there would be sufficient penetration into the Pentagon, or that it would have just been TOO impossible to actually manuever a real 757 into the flight path that it ended up taking on its terminal approach. Apparently, a normal crash of an airliner hitting the ROOF of the building would have caused too much damage perhaps? Well, with the smaller, but sturdier, airframe of an S-3 (and without divulging anything I shouldn't the S-3 was originally designed as an ASW Jet, my field in the service, and is quite maneuverable - it can take off and land on a carrier) it would have created about the right size hole, had better penetration than just about any other medium sized jet because of the beefier structure, but still small enough and maneuverable enough to make the right approach. I think that also helps clear up the confusion on the approach path and the reports that the 757 flew over the Pentagram. It was basically a "David Copperfield" type trick of the eye. Line up the larger plane so it just clears the Pentagram and then at the same time bring in the S-3 to make the actual impact. The other plane continues out over the ocean where it is ditched OR brought back in, landed, the passengers whacked and disposed of, and then the plane gets a new set of numbers. Given the amount of mass and kinetic energy a real 757 would have had I think the actual damage would have been much greater. And then there is the problem of the wings. The apparent wing damage to the structure better fits an S-3 than a 757 with a much greater wingspan.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...
Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times. As an aside, but possibly related, is the rumor that he and Barbara were close to a break-up. So, it might not have bothered him all that much to have her play a "final" part in the charade. If you are on the inside it would be an easy enough method to dispose of an inconvenient wife, with no suspicion, by getting her a ticket for the "right" plane.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I will give you and every other Truther on the planet 10,000 years to prove your case. You will never do it, because 9-11 was not an inside job. You've had nine years -- no proof, no confessions, no convictions -- nothing. Might as will waste your life proving the moon landing was shot on a stage, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or that all politicians are really shape- shifting blood-drinking space reptiles. Almost 50 years after Kennedy was killed...and the nuts won't give it up. Forty years from now, and the Truther nuts still won't have an atom of proof...and still won't give it up. Conspiracism is a mental illness.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.
St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."
You'd think a man of his 'caliber' brain power and organizational skills could get something as searing in one's mind as this is...straight. Baffling to anyone I would hope...
Right, LOL ! You also don't pay much attention around here you arrogant, pompous, self-righteous asshole. You're an Imperialist. Punto
Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?
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By Jack Blood www.wFUradio.com www.deadlinelive.info Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at age 53 from undisclosed circumstances. Mr. Jennings was an eyewitness to the devastation of the World Trade center towers on September 11th 2001. On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, (one of Rudy Giuliani’s highest ranking appointed officials, New York city’s corporation counsel), entered the famed Building 7. It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management (FEMA),) they found it had been recently deserted, “coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches”. At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings. When they made it to the lobby, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, “King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, (it was) so destroyed, I didn’t know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out.” Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story. Mr. Jennings was admittedly confused as to why Building 7 had to come down at all, and does not accept the official reason that the noises he heard were from a fuel oil tank, “I know what I heard, I heard explosions”. Jennings testimony was recorded by Loose Change for the Final Cut version of the extremely popular documentary, but was edited out at the final stage due to Jennings misgivings about losing his job, and endangering his family. The BBC later interviewed Jennings for a “911 debunking special” and Jennings seemed to retract the testimony given to Loose Change. Subsequently the creators of the film released the original interview to protect their own credibility. Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance. New Information Yesterday, April 15th 2009 I was contacted by “Loose Change” director, and narrator Dylan Avery who said that he had recently begun investigating the death of Barry Jennings, and had found some new information relating to his death. It seems that there is a very good possibility that Jennings’ death could have been due to foul play. Though the investigations are on going, initial findings are somewhat alarming. The conclusion is still forthcoming, but I was shocked by what I heard. It seems that Dylan had hired a private investigator to look into Jennings death which remains shrouded in mystery. His motive was simply to bring some closure to the life of Barry Jennings, and in doing so to honor the memory of this brave American. The Investigator ended up referring the case to Law enforcement before refunding his pay, and told Dylan never to contact him again. Very unusual to say the least. Dylan also paid a visit to the Jennings home. He found it vacant and for sale. Personally, something is really beginning to stink here. Why would a highly paid PI refuse to continue his investigation? Why did he refer the matter to police? He is not talking. What is he afraid of. Was he warned to cease and desist? If so by whom? These are some of the new questions revolving around the Jennings case. In every major cover up from the JFK assassination to Iran Contra, we can see one common thread. The untimely death of eyewitnesses. Barry Jennings was not only an important and most credible eyewitness, but he openly refuted much of the government, and media version of events. He was a liability. I found this at one of the google links on that page. Maybe Asshole Turdler will dismiss all of this out of hand because Barry Jennings was a nigger. Maybe ? OR what then ? Will the Asshole Turdler come back chat about 'Who is Barry Jennings ?' ??
i guess the entire 4um went out to lunch at the same time. i took my lunch here so that i could have a chat with the Asshole Turdler...
Oh, Turdle you are such a hoot. Of course 911 was an INSIDE JOB. One can look at the actions of the government alone and know that there is a cover-up in place, and it started very early on. The debris from all of the sites was put under armed guard, never given an Engineering Forensics examination to actually determine the cause of the collapse, and then the steel was quickly shipped to a holding site, still under armed guard, and then out of the country, still under armed guard, to China despite higher domestic bids for the steel having been made. NORAD, the most sophisticated air tracking system on the planet, was struck by a massive dose of stupid pills and allowed the allegedly hijacked aircraft fly around unimpeded for about 2 hours, while directing potetial intercept aircraft out of the way, so that they could plot a leisurely course for a couple of obsolete buildings that otherwise would have cost a couple hundred million to take down. NO ONE AT NORAD WAS EVER COURT MARTIALED, SANCTIONED, DENIED PROMOTION, OR IN ANY WAY HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS EITHER MASSIVE INCOMPETENCE ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR BY INTENT. Bush fought the creation of an investigatory panel for over a year, and then tried to stack it by putting Henry, the war criminal insider, Kissinger in charge. That of course stunk so bad Kissinger had to withdraw. The Chairman of the eventually formed committee, which had its scope, budget, and powers severely limited, has repudiated the committee's own final report, which one committee member resigned from rather than sign the report. The FEMA Report has now been so thoroughly discredited that much of it is used only by people such as myself as a negative example. The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear. I could go on to cite more evidence of cover-up, such as the gag order on Air Traffic Controllers which remains in place now some NINE YEARS LATER, but that should be sufficient to make the point. Where there is a cover-up there is smoke and where there is smoke there is fire.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#736. To: AGAviator (#720)
I'm gonna not post for the rest of the day.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#737. To: FormerLurker (#736)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#738. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#712)
Marvin Sirbu, professor of engineering and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[118]
#739. To: IRTorqued (#680)
the members of the liar movement will believe anything the government tells them and for a small fee shout those lies from the roof tops if they also supply the talking points.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#740. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#725)
#741. To: Original_Intent (#738)
As I suggested earlier, but didn't follow up the "worthy" Professor is a "Rent-a-Prof" looking for more of dems nice gubbermint grants n shit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#742. To: FormerLurker (#730)
#743. To: FormerLurker (#730)
The fact is, there were apparently TWO aircraft, one seen by some coming from south of the Citgo station, and one coming from north of the Citgo station. One would have had to pull up and fly away, with the smoke caused by the other aircraft impacting the building obscuring the 1st plane's departure.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#744. To: Original_Intent (#740)
But Look at that Pentalawn 2000! It took an impact from a screaming 757 and is still intact. That's some tough grass.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#745. To: Original_Intent (#742)
Certainly that was not a maneuver pulled off by an incompetent pilot who had never flown anything larger than a single engine propeller driven Cessna 172 (with a top speed of 220 knots in a dive).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#746. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, abraxas, buckeroo, Turtle, all (#736)
I'm gonna not post for the rest of the day.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#747. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#696)
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Snopes says eyewitnesses describe and photos demonstrate that the 757 hit the ground first
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#748. To: wudidiz (#743)
Are there witnesses who saw both?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#749. To: FormerLurker (#741)
As I suggested earlier, but didn't follow up the "worthy" Professor is a "Rent-a-Prof" looking for more of dems nice gubbermint grants n shit.
#750. To: wudidiz (#708)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#751. To: abraxas (#727)
The evil doers are very good at hiding little things like tail sections and black boxes. Yet, indestructible passports belonging to the hijackers could easily slip from the jet fuel explosion and land on the sidewalk for easy finding.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#752. To: James Deffenbach (#747)
Snopes=full of $#it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#753. To: FormerLurker (#744)
But Look at that Pentalawn 2000! It took an impact from a screaming 757 and is still intact. That's some tough grass.
#754. To: James Deffenbach (#747)
Snopes says eyewitnesses describe and photos demonstrate that the 757 hit the ground first
B) It would not have penetrated the Pentagon as it did. It more than likely would have tumbled and broken into pieces before hitting the Pentagon, which it didn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#755. To: Rotara (#737)
AGitprop
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#756. To: FormerLurker (#755)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#757. To: Rotara, James Deffenbach, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#752)
Snopes=full of $#it.
steele here's picture November 11, 2008 - 7:40am — steele here
#758. To: Original_Intent (#753)
I think that an S-3 painted to look like an AA jet seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen floated. It is small enough and fast enough (and as a military jet has a strong enough airframe) to have pulled off the maneuvers attributed to the airliner and yet big enough and a similar, but smaller, profile to keep the illusion alive for the few needed seconds. Also as a smaller jet it would not have been as heavily influenced by wing tip vortices and ground effect. Load one up with explosives and it is going to create quite a bang - sufficient to pull off the illusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#759. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, abraxas (#757)
#760. To: Original_Intent (#757)
We now know that the Mikkelson's are very pro-Democratic Party and extremely liberal.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#761. To: FormerLurker (#758)
I think that an S-3 painted to look like an AA jet seems to fit the evidence better than anything else I've seen floated. It is small enough and fast enough (and as a military jet has a strong enough airframe) to have pulled off the maneuvers attributed to the airliner and yet big enough and a similar, but smaller, profile to keep the illusion alive for the few needed seconds. Also as a smaller jet it would not have been as heavily influenced by wing tip vortices and ground effect. Load one up with explosives and it is going to create quite a bang - sufficient to pull off the illusion.
#762. To: Original_Intent (#761)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#763. To: Rotara (#762)
Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...
#764. To: Critter (#88)
#765. To: Rotara (#735)
You strike me as the repubican type...but you probably like REALLY young boys, yeah ?
#766. To: Original_Intent (#763)
Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#767. To: Turtle (#765)
Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#768. To: Turtle (#764)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#769. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler (#768)
Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#770. To: All (#769)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#771. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler, All (#770)
April 16, 2009
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#772. To: 4 (#771)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#773. To: Turdle, Turtle, Critter, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#764)
#774. To: Original_Intent (#773)
Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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