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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 28853
Comments: 879


Poster Comment:

This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior.

They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her."

He got life in prison.

These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers. (1 image)

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#762. To: Original_Intent (#761)

Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   13:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#763. To: Rotara (#762)

Ted Olson's behavior in all of this (remember the cell phone calls to Barbara ?) has always bothered me...

Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times. As an aside, but possibly related, is the rumor that he and Barbara were close to a break-up. So, it might not have bothered him all that much to have her play a "final" part in the charade. If you are on the inside it would be an easy enough method to dispose of an inconvenient wife, with no suspicion, by getting her a ticket for the "right" plane.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#764. To: Critter (#88)

I will give you and every other Truther on the planet 10,000 years to prove your case. You will never do it, because 9-11 was not an inside job.

You've had nine years -- no proof, no confessions, no convictions -- nothing.

Might as will waste your life proving the moon landing was shot on a stage, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or that all politicians are really shape- shifting blood-drinking space reptiles.

Almost 50 years after Kennedy was killed...and the nuts won't give it up. Forty years from now, and the Truther nuts still won't have an atom of proof...and still won't give it up.

Conspiracism is a mental illness.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#765. To: Rotara (#735)

You strike me as the repubican type...but you probably like REALLY young boys, yeah ?

Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#766. To: Original_Intent (#763)

Yes, he has contradicted himself multiple times.

You'd think a man of his 'caliber' brain power and organizational skills could get something as searing in one's mind as this is...straight.

Baffling to anyone I would hope...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#767. To: Turtle (#765)

Classical liberal/conservative libertarian, free market with Austrian leanings...but you don't know what any of that means.

Right, LOL ! You also don't pay much attention around here you arrogant, pompous, self-righteous asshole.

You're an Imperialist. Punto


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#768. To: Turtle (#764)

Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#769. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler (#768)

Who is Barry Jennings, asshole turdler...?

I'll even use google to help you out...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#770. To: All (#769)

Search ResultsBarry Jennings, Key 9/11 Witness Dies | GroundReport 17 Sep 2008 ... Barry Jennings, a former New York Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator and key 9/11 witness, has died of undisclosed causes at the age of ... www.groundreport.com/US/Barry-Jennings...9-11.../2869565 - Cached - SimilarKey Witness to WTC 7 Explosions Dead at 53 16 Sep 2008 ... Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot– as the BBC hit piece and NIST ... www.infowars.com › Featured Stories - Cached - SimilarBarry Jennings Mystery: Barry Jennings - 9/11 Early Afternoon ABC7 ... 17 Mar 2009 ... 19, 2009 is the first anniversary of the mysterious death of key 9/11 eyewitness Barry Jennings. To make a commitment to banner outside your ... barryjenningsmystery.blogspot.com/.../barry-jennings-911-early-afternoon-abc7.html - Cached - SimilarVideos for barry jennings 911 World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings ... 7 min - 23 Jun 2008 Uploaded by UnsettledDust www.youtube.com

9/11 Key Witness Murdered? (Barry Jennings RIP) 11 min - 5 Oct 2008 Uploaded by NufffRespect www.youtube.com

VERY Key 9/11 Witness Barry Jennings Reported DEAD!!! 30 posts - 20 authors - Last post: 23 May Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the ... On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, ... forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=59063.0 - Cached - SimilarGet more discussion results Barry Jennings Barry Jennings was a participant or observer in the following events: ... [UPN 9, 9/11/2001] Jennings will also recall hearing explosions. ... www.historycommons.org › Entities - Cached - SimilarNew Information on the Death of 911 Eyewitness Barry Jennings ... 17 Apr 2009 ... Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at ... edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/.../new-information-on-the-death-of-911-eyewitness-barry-jennings/ - Cached - Similarno one has to die tomorroW.: Barry Jennings: World Trade Center 7 21 Jun 2007 ... On 911 he was on the news covered with debris, like many survivors seen on television that day. Barry Jennings has put his full story on the ... noonehastodie.blogspot.com/.../barry-jennings-world-trade-center-7.html - Cached - SimilarPatriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 ... 5, FDNY, Barry Zelman – Brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., ..... ABC 9/12/01: Peter Jennings interviewed Marlene Cruz the day after 9/11. ... www.patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html - Cached - SimilarHumint Events Online: Another Key 9/11 Witness Dead: Barry Jennings 17 Sep 2008 ... Another Key 9/11 Witness Dead: Barry Jennings. Barry Jennings, a whistle-blower and critical witness to nasty business at WTC7 is dead at 53 ... covertoperations.blogspot.com/.../another-key-911-witness-dead-barry.html - Cached - SimilarSearches related to barry jennings 911 barry jennings 9 11 wtc7

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berry jennings 911

that's page one of google search 'Barry Jennings 911'. right now anyway.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#771. To: turtle, Asshole Turdler, All (#770)

April 16, 2009

By Jack Blood

www.wFUradio.com

www.deadlinelive.info

Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at age 53 from undisclosed circumstances. Mr. Jennings was an eyewitness to the devastation of the World Trade center towers on September 11th 2001.

On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, (one of Rudy Giuliani’s highest ranking appointed officials, New York city’s corporation counsel), entered the famed Building 7.

It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management (FEMA),) they found it had been recently deserted, “coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches”.

At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.

When they made it to the lobby, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, “King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, (it was) so destroyed, I didn’t know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out.” Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story.

Mr. Jennings was admittedly confused as to why Building 7 had to come down at all, and does not accept the official reason that the noises he heard were from a fuel oil tank, “I know what I heard, I heard explosions”.

Jennings testimony was recorded by Loose Change for the Final Cut version of the extremely popular documentary, but was edited out at the final stage due to Jennings misgivings about losing his job, and endangering his family.

The BBC later interviewed Jennings for a “911 debunking special” and Jennings seemed to retract the testimony given to Loose Change. Subsequently the creators of the film released the original interview to protect their own credibility.

Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance.

New Information

Yesterday, April 15th 2009 I was contacted by “Loose Change” director, and narrator Dylan Avery who said that he had recently begun investigating the death of Barry Jennings, and had found some new information relating to his death.

It seems that there is a very good possibility that Jennings’ death could have been due to foul play. Though the investigations are on going, initial findings are somewhat alarming. The conclusion is still forthcoming, but I was shocked by what I heard.

It seems that Dylan had hired a private investigator to look into Jennings death which remains shrouded in mystery. His motive was simply to bring some closure to the life of Barry Jennings, and in doing so to honor the memory of this brave American. The Investigator ended up referring the case to Law enforcement before refunding his pay, and told Dylan never to contact him again. Very unusual to say the least. Dylan also paid a visit to the Jennings home. He found it vacant and for sale.

Personally, something is really beginning to stink here. Why would a highly paid PI refuse to continue his investigation? Why did he refer the matter to police? He is not talking. What is he afraid of. Was he warned to cease and desist? If so by whom? These are some of the new questions revolving around the Jennings case.

In every major cover up from the JFK assassination to Iran Contra, we can see one common thread. The untimely death of eyewitnesses. Barry Jennings was not only an important and most credible eyewitness, but he openly refuted much of the government, and media version of events. He was a liability.

I found this at one of the google links on that page.

Maybe Asshole Turdler will dismiss all of this out of hand because Barry Jennings was a nigger.

Maybe ? OR what then ? Will the Asshole Turdler come back chat about 'Who is Barry Jennings ?' ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#772. To: 4 (#771)

i guess the entire 4um went out to lunch at the same time.

i took my lunch here so that i could have a chat with the Asshole Turdler...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#773. To: Turdle, Turtle, Critter, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#764)

Oh, Turdle you are such a hoot. Of course 911 was an INSIDE JOB.

One can look at the actions of the government alone and know that there is a cover-up in place, and it started very early on.

The debris from all of the sites was put under armed guard, never given an Engineering Forensics examination to actually determine the cause of the collapse, and then the steel was quickly shipped to a holding site, still under armed guard, and then out of the country, still under armed guard, to China despite higher domestic bids for the steel having been made.

NORAD, the most sophisticated air tracking system on the planet, was struck by a massive dose of stupid pills and allowed the allegedly hijacked aircraft fly around unimpeded for about 2 hours, while directing potetial intercept aircraft out of the way, so that they could plot a leisurely course for a couple of obsolete buildings that otherwise would have cost a couple hundred million to take down. NO ONE AT NORAD WAS EVER COURT MARTIALED, SANCTIONED, DENIED PROMOTION, OR IN ANY WAY HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS EITHER MASSIVE INCOMPETENCE ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR BY INTENT.

Bush fought the creation of an investigatory panel for over a year, and then tried to stack it by putting Henry, the war criminal insider, Kissinger in charge. That of course stunk so bad Kissinger had to withdraw.

The Chairman of the eventually formed committee, which had its scope, budget, and powers severely limited, has repudiated the committee's own final report, which one committee member resigned from rather than sign the report.

The FEMA Report has now been so thoroughly discredited that much of it is used only by people such as myself as a negative example.

The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear.

I could go on to cite more evidence of cover-up, such as the gag order on Air Traffic Controllers which remains in place now some NINE YEARS LATER, but that should be sufficient to make the point.

Where there is a cover-up there is smoke and where there is smoke there is fire.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#774. To: Original_Intent (#773)

Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#775. To: Rotara (#770)

that's page one of google search 'Barry Jennings 911'. right now anyway.

I'm glad you mentioned that i.e., "right now anyway", as a lot of 911 research seems to have disappeared. I can no longer find the results of the independent test on Cellphones, nor the Military Pilots panel that analyzed the approach of the aircraft - concluding that they were maneuvers only explainable by assuming a real crackerjack pilot, or pilots, which the idiot patsies were most definitely not.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#776. To: Rotara (#767)

As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#777. To: Original_Intent (#775)

I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#778. To: Turtle (#776)

As I said, I'll give you and every Truther in the world 10,000 years to prove your case...you'll never do it.

Yeah, Asshole Turdler, we see how well that worked out for Barry Jennings.

He was actually there, Asshole Turdler, and I wasn't. Or I'd be dead just like Barry Jennings, eh, Asshole Turdler ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   14:55:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#779. To: Rotara, Turdle (#777)

I'm sure it's all just a GINORMOUS coinky-dinky...anyone seen Asshole Turdler ? Maybe awaiting further instructions ??

There he is (#776) back making his asinine, totally unsupported and meritless, digs.

Turdle is not into facts and evidence - it hurts his head. Much easier and less effort to make snide comments which he can't back up and so refuses to do so.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   14:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#780. To: Rotara (#778)

10,000 years.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-13   14:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#781. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#780)

10,000 years.

Like that, you mean.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#782. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#781)

LOL !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#783. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Turtle (#779)

Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#784. To: Rotara (#782)

LOL !

LOL


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-13   15:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#785. To: Turtle (#780)

That dead NYC Nigger, Barry Jennings, was 1,000X the Man you could ever be, Asshole Turdler.

And your hide won't be off limits, the same as with any other Traitor, when the clock strikes out...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#786. To: wudidiz (#783)

Turtle doesn't like truthers because a black guy mutilated a blonde girl's face in England with acid.

what a crock of shit.

his/her agenda is simple, really...but he just can't come close to pulling it off without the facts fucking it all up.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-13   15:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#787. To: Rotara (#752)

world neo kommunists all the way...

They're in bed with the Obamessiah. 'Nuff said.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   15:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#788. To: FormerLurker (#754)

If the aircraft had hit the lawn first,

A) It would have left a crater. It did not leave a crater, in fact, it didn't even scratch the lawn. B) It would not have penetrated the Pentagon as it did. It more than likely would have tumbled and broken into pieces before hitting the Pentagon, which it didn't.

Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   15:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#789. To: Original_Intent (#757)

I had read that article about the people who run snopes a while back. That's how I knew they were in bed with Obama.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#790. To: Turtle (#764)

Conspiracism is a mental illness.

What do you call it when someone accepts the government's bogus conspiracy theory, the wackiest one of all? Surely, as the Toddler used to say, people who accept that story "have the disease of being mental." And not in a good way either.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#791. To: Original_Intent (#757)

Take what snopes says at face value and nothing more.

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Pre-9/11 Snopes did 'OK' at confirming nickel and dime facts. The majority of everything on that site can be confirmed with a few phone calls to the sources.

Since 9/11, Snopes has tried to be an authority on the big ticket items, and are completely out of their league.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#792. To: Original_Intent (#773)

The NIST Report has been through multiple revisions to try and patch the holes and misrepresentations, mainly by omitting critical data, discovered in each in every version. The original version gave less than a page to the collapse of WTC 7 and then just waved the magic authoritarian wand to make it disappear.

They could have covered the reason 7 fell with just three words--Magickal Jet Fuel™.

No plane hit it but apparently a few drops of the Magickal Jet Fuel™ splashed on it. And then all of a sudden it got tired and fell down. Makes as much sense as their stupid theory about the other two towers.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#793. To: James Deffenbach, ForAGAviatormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, Turtle, Itistoolate, AGAviator (#788)

Indeed. To confirm that all you have to do is search for images of plane crashes and see how bad they tear up whatever they hit. And when they hit the ground they definitely leave marks and debris.

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What is ironic is that all military plane crash archives are MAINTAINED at the Pentagon. USAF HQ in those archives are the most detailed plane crash archives in the world, as are the combined military aircraft expertise concentrate there in not just the USAF, but all other branches as well.

So, it is safe to say that the single-most concentrated and qualified expertise source in the world is located AT THE PENTAGON.

I have been in Search and Recovery operations on several military crash sites, and I can tell you a C-130 would cause FAR MORE DAMAGE to the Pentagon than what we saw reported, IMO.

I recall one F-105 Thud crash at a joint target range near China Lake back in 1974. That SINGLE aircraft, about 1/5th the size of the one claimed to have hit the Pentagon left a crater 15 feet deep and over 30 feet long. We found human remains (ONE SOUL ON BOARD) and aircraft parts hundreds of yards from the crash site. Granted, the impact occurred in soft desert ground, but the ancillary damage and wreckage spread was quite impressive.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#794. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#793)

The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES and they want us to believe the passengers overcame the hijackers and they crashed into the ground. I doubt a crash into the ground would have scattered debris as far as eight miles.

Flight 93 Crash Site

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#795. To: James Deffenbach (#794)

The plane that went down/was shot down in Pennsylvania scattered debris for something like EIGHT MILES ..

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The trees would have intercepted the debris within a thousand feet of the debris entering the tree line.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   16:51:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#796. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#795)

And they found one section of an engine that weighed a ton "2,000 yards" from the crash site. Well, 2,000 yards is more than a mile. And they want us to believe a plane hit the ground, just a regular crash or even a nose in crash, and a piece of the engine bounces for more than a mile before it stops?!?!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-13   16:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#797. To: James Deffenbach, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#796) (Edited)

And they found one section of an engine that weighed a ton "2,000 yards" from the crash site. Well, 2,000 yards is more than a mile. And they want us to believe a plane hit the ground, just a regular crash or even a nose in crash, and a piece of the engine bounces for more than a mile before it stops?!?!

We only need a quick visit to Sir Isaac to put that one in the recycle bin:

"I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. "

"II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector."

"III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

A jet traveling in one direction, as long as it remains intact, will continue traveling in that same direction as long as there is no external force applied to change the vector (Newton's First Law of Motion). If a jet plane is traveling in a given direction all parts of it are traveling in the same direction. The kinetic energy of the jet and all its parts have an amount of energy bound up based upon their mass and velocity. With reference to the first law it is going to stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force.

The amount of energy bound up is KE = 1/2 mv squared - where KE equals Kinetic Energy, m = mass, and v = velocity. So the KE of the engine is 1/2 times 2,000 pounds times the velocity Squared say for argument's sake is 400 mph. So KE = 160,000,000 pounds. That is a lot of energy and it is going directly into an opposing force i.e., the ground. Now what would expect of an object with that much mass to do when it impacts the stationary ground? Hands please?

Yes, you in the back - Mr. Deffenbach.

Correct. It is going to plow straight into the ground and likely wind up a nearly unrecognizable lump of metal, and very possibly break up into a lot of smaller pieces. Since the engine is not of a material that will spring back from the extreme deformation of impact it is NOT going to bounce like a rubber ball, but instead the kinetic energy is going to be absorbed by the less than perfectly elastic ground. Translation: It is going to be an unrecognizable piece of junk - whatever little bit survives the impact. It is not going to bounce a mile from the impact.

So, what explanation best fits the observed phenomena? That the engine separated from the plane at some point "X", and following Newton's firs law continued on its trajectory at that time. This of course implies that the plane was already breaking up, or had been broken up, into pieces at some distance "Y" from the crash site.

So, dispensing with the pedagogical delivery: It was shot down, broke apart in the air and with the engine having been acted upon as per Newton's Third Law it arrived at a different impact point i.e., it's vector had been changed by the force of the explosion which separated it from the main body of the aircraft.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   17:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#798. To: James Deffenbach (#796)

5,280' = 1 mile.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   17:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#799. To: Original_Intent, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, FormerLurker (#797)

First minutes after Polish President plane crash...Amateur footage...Shots in the background???

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   18:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#800. To: All (#797)

Eight Hundred

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-13   18:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#801. To: Original_Intent (#800)

LOL


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-13   18:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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