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Title: Everyone who believes that those who trust the government and believe it's wacky conspiracy theories are the biggest KOOKS of all, here's your thread
Source: me
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Published: Jul 11, 2010
Author: me
Post Date: 2010-07-11 17:14:00 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1815
Comments: 52

Poster Comment:

Just something I have been noticing lately. Seems to be more talk from a certain quarter about how the government's official conspiracy theory™ in regards to the events of 9/11 are not only true but that anyone who doesn't toe the government line is a KOOK. And a lot of gibberish about Peak Oil and Global Warming. Anyone else notice there is a bit more of that than usual?

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#7. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

anyone who doesn't toe the government line is a KOOK.

And anyone that doesn't toe the "alternative" news line is a agent and a shill. Right?

Iron sharpeneth iron.

You should learn a lot from those that disagree with you. I know I do.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-11   19:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You should learn a lot from those that disagree with you. I know I do.

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Hard to learn anything from people who are lying to you. They may not be knowingly lying but in parroting the official propaganda they are lying. WTC 7 proves that the government's story about the events of 9/11 is a fairy tale. But there is so much more evidence than that and I wonder why ANYONE with more than two brain cells would believe that stupid $#it that the government put out.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-11   19:07:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hard to learn anything from people who are lying to you.

IMO it isn't. Saying people are lying is not enough. You have to figure out how they are lying to you, and what the lies are.

If anyone believes the .gov 9/11 fairy tales, that's their business. But to refute it, you need to know what to refute. And what good does it do to refute them?

IT's like arguing over religion. I learned that the hard way when I refute the doctrine of "eternal torture in hell". They can't refute the proof, so they get pissed off and call me many names. Nothing gets resolved.

I also know that we don't have anything near the full story. We could be wrong on some things too. Plus, too many try and fill in the missing pieces with BS.

I personally get tired of talking and reading about 9/11. BTDT and sick of it.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-11   21:30:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I personally get tired of talking and reading about 9/11.

There is a simple remedy for that--stop talking about it and reading about it if you are tired of it.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-11   21:37:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I personally get tired of talking and reading about 9/11.

There is a simple remedy for that--stop talking about it and reading about it if you are tired of it.

Last I knew reading and participating in 911 discussions was, correct me if I am wrong, NOT mandatory.

Hey christine are 911 threads mandatory participation?

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-12   0:06:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

for the likes of the liar movement they are in fact mandatory least the discussion stray too far from the official fairy tale. as it is now only the totally moronic village idiots believe the conspiracy theory put forth by baalzabush and company and their numbers are dwindling daily which is a good thing. of all the posters here there are but a handful of the goofenheimers making up the membership of the liar movement.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-12   0:34:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

for the likes of the liar movement they are in fact mandatory least the discussion stray too far from the official fairy tale. as it is now only the totally moronic village idiots believe the conspiracy theory put forth by baalzabush and company and their numbers are dwindling daily which is a good thing. of all the posters here there are but a handful of the goofenheimers making up the membership of the liar movement.

Nicely put and agreed. One could easily extend this to other topics upon which you will have the rabid skeptics who believe it is a criminal act for anyone to believe anything with which they disagree - the swallowers of "The Less Than Amazing Randi" and the Septical Enquirer crowd are some of the more virulent, as well as the fanatical atheists who think it is a sin to have spiritual beliefs.

They all tend to conform to a set of behaviors that are common among them (of course some of them are fanatical upon more than one topic but they tend to follow the same pattern regardless of the topic).

1. They lie. Often such posters will misrepresent information, say something does not exist when they know it does, deny the existence of a conclusion that logically follows from the data, inflate the relative importance of a less than major point and then use the disproof of their strawman as implying that all other data on the subject has therefore been disproved. They will also state their personal opinion acting as though it is proven solid fact when in reality it is just their opinion.

2. They speak derogatorily to other posters who hold a contrary view usually using terms like "kook", "conspiracy theorist", "fruitcake", "moonbat", "crackpot", "head case", "whack job", lunatic, etc., .... Generally they seem to want to degrade other posters for believing "wrongly" or are Paid to do so (wrong being any deviation from their dogma or what their "marching orders"/Talking Points dictates).

3. They are anti-conspiratorial - except when the government says so. They deny the existence of any possible conspiracy despite centuries of history that show that in the real world conspiracies are not only real but are quite common. For example John Gotti can conspire to commit multiple crimes and murders, or Michael Millken can conspire to commit financial fraud, but it is absolutely positively completely impossible for the government to conspire to anything because they can't keep a secret and everyone would know. That of course despite multiple instances of such e.g., FDR conspiring to withhold the knowledge that a Japanese Battle Fleet was about to attack Pearl Harbor, and then Court Martialing the men from which he withheld the information. No, despite multiple instances that are quite eminently provable it is absolutely positively impossible for something to be different than what the government says and the government doesn't engage in conspiracies. In the event information is produced showing the government has conspired to commit felonious activities contrary to the public interest all information or data showing that is ignored, derided, and any person presenting it is villified as in "2." above because it is absolutely positively impossible for something to be different than what the government says and the government doesn't engage in conspiracies.

The liar class really breaks down into more than one category:

Paid Operatives: Public Relations Operatives (Agencies actually advertise for these positions and their client can be anyone who is willing to pay), Government Agency Operatives (CENTCOM has publicly stated their intent to catapult the propaganda on blogs and forums), and of course we know the Israel Contingent, both paid and unpaid, is constantly active attacking anyone who points out any of Israel's numerous war crimes and genocidal activites. I would not be surprised if some NGO's have paid posters as well.

Useful Idiots: A good example would be the Israel Supporters who are more than willing to catapult the propaganda for free. There is, or used to be, an online manual that you could download as pdf that was created by the Israeli Government for just that purpose. This also includes Political Party Loyalists - "Party Uber Alles" - who think whatever is good for the party is automatically good for the country. So, any issue they see as disadvantageous for the party is attacked with the ferocity of a rabid dog. This would include the "Bushbots" and "O'bots" who are both equally stupid and reprehensible. They are equally energetic in pushing whatever the current "Party Lyin'" is e.g., Saddam has "scary scary Weapons of Mass Destruction", and then when they are not found it's because Saddam dedicated all of his transport system to ship them out of the country in the last 3 days before the U.S. attack - while never really being able to explain why he would take such a stupid action. The flip side would be the O'bots who are absolutely certain that the health care bill they've never read is going to be the answer to the question no one but they have been asking. Again both the Bushbots and O'bots will lie with gay abandon because for them the ends justifies the means.

The "Skeptics" (which are mostly not skeptics but advocates for a particular viewpoint)" Such would include the Atheists, Darwinists, the followers of the "Less than Amazing Randi", "Skeptical Enquirer", etc., .... All of whom are highly intolerant of any viewpoint other than their own, will attack with great ferocity any piece of data, no matter how valid, which throws their unscientific views into question and are perfectly willing to spend hours and days telling you how stupid you are for not immediately apologizing for existing and accepting their dogma.

The single issue poster who has one and only one main "hobby horse" and is willing to extol it at great length whether it be their racist point of view, atheism, Israel Worship, etc., .... These actually fall into one of the general categories above as well.

I could break it down into finer distinctions but that gives more than enough for a general idea.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-12   18:28:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: Original_Intent (#30) (Edited)

Nicely put and agreed. One could easily extend this to other topics upon which you will have the rabid skeptics who believe it is a criminal act for anyone to believe anything with which they disagree - the swallowers of "The Less Than Amazing Randi" and the Septical Enquirer crowd are some of the more virulent, as well as the fanatical atheists who think it is a sin to have spiritual beliefs.

They all tend to conform to a set of behaviors that are common among them (of course some of them are fanatical upon more than one topic but they tend to follow the same pattern regardless of the topic).

+5

Nice breakdown of the kinds of trolls, sayanim and assorted cyberspace ass-wipers among us. How predictably conforming are the pretenders to the "skeptical" mindset!

Carry on...

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-07-12 22:30:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. They lie. Often such posters will misrepresent information, say something does not exist when they know it does, deny the existence of a conclusion that logically follows from the data, inflate the relative importance of a less than major point and then use the disproof of their strawman as implying that all other data on the subject has therefore been disproved. They will also state their personal opinion acting as though it is proven solid fact when in reality it is just their opinion.

2. They speak derogatorily to other posters who hold a contrary view usually using terms like "kook", "conspiracy theorist", "fruitcake", "moonbat", "crackpot", "head case", "whack job", lunatic, etc., .... Generally they seem to want to degrade other posters for believing "wrongly" or are Paid to do so (wrong being any deviation from their dogma or what their "marching orders"/Talking Points dictates).

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Sums up FreeRepublic.com and LibertyPost.org to a T.

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-12 22:51:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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