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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#245. To: buckeroo (#235)
I noticed she didn't mention the "grievous tragedy" that Teddy perpetrated at Chappaquidick. Or her own, where she ran over her boyfriend and killed him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Wait a minute, haven't the CT's informed us of the prefab death camps ready to be rolled out any day now? Think "they" did a trial run on a few recalcitrant bean counters that weren't whacked by the American Airlines Flight 77 non-crash back in '01 ? < /snicker>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
More bs. That plane was shot down as evidenced by the fact that one piece of an engine, weighing about a ton, was found something like 2,000 YARDS away from the crash site. That is more than a mile and that piece of an engine was not a rubber ball. People should know at least some of what they're talking about or not include speculation in their books about what can only be labeled as government propaganda. Ill-informed and unbelievable propaganda at that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I know, I know ... she didn't talk about ALOT of things about that 9/11 morning..... such as GWBush's hemorrhoids ... her own vaginal chaffing ... Jenna's tongue, Cheney's daily phone call ... blah blah blah.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Hmmm.
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he DID more than likely go along with it.
I like the knee_slapper about the FEMA caskets; that one is the best.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I guess they could have prosecuted George for treason. Don't know what they could have done with her.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This is ripe, man. I haven't had so many laffs in my life in so little time ........ Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't recall anyone saying George planned anything and I know I haven't said it. I have said that it is obvious he went along with the plan. But planned it? No.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I can't say that I have sorted it all out, but you are right in that a lot of thought and planning had to go into this event. It was probably several years in the works. It almost would have had to have been, because of the logistics of setting up the demolition charges without anyone noticing. The choice of targets is telling too. While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible. Those planes flew over several nuclear plants and an impact into one of them would have created havoc for hundreds of miles around and killed many thousands of people indirectly through radiation exposure. The areas around the plants would have been uninhabitable for more than a century. If he wanted to hit symbols why choose the Pentagon when in the same area you have the Capitol Dome and the White House - much more potent as symbols and much more devastating than carefully hitting the one spot in the Pentagram that had just been hardened, was on the opposite side of the building from all the Brass, and contained the Audits Unit that was researching the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars? The same with Bldg. 7 which housed the SEC's investigation of shenanigans on Wall Street and would have been the unit to investigate the highly suspicious Put Option sales in the week before 911. There was definitely something of misdirection at the Pentagram but with the confiscation of all surveillance videos, and hiding them under lock and key, exactly what was done is left open to only circumstantial analysis which the Spooks can try to confuse and invalidate through disinformation antics. Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It sounds like Laura wasn't clued in. Genesis 9:8 And God spoke to NOAH and his sons..... Genesis 9:11 THUS I ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH YOU: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth..... See the NOAHIDE LAW and its relationship to 911 at Carol Valentine's "Merry Christmas AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD". They have rejected the covenant with Christ [whose b'day is also on 9-11].
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You would have thought that GWBush (while fucking his own wife on 9/10/2001 ... the night before 9/11) would have said something to the effect: "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed? Ya think Shrub swore fealty to Satan, while a member of that Yale frat that had Geronomo's skull?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The choice of targets is telling too. While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible. Those planes flew over several nuclear plants and an impact into one of them would have created havoc for hundreds of miles around and killed many thousands of people indirectly through radiation exposure. The areas around the plants would have been uninhabitable for more than a century. If he wanted to hit symbols why choose the Pentagon when in the same area you have the Capitol Dome and the White House - much more potent as symbols and much more devastating than carefully hitting the one spot in the Pentagram that had just been hardened, was on the opposite side of the building from all the Brass, and contained the Audits Unit that was researching the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars? The same with Bldg. 7 which housed the SEC's investigation of shenanigans on Wall Street and would have been the unit to investigate the highly suspicious Put Option sales in the week before 911. There was definitely something of misdirection at the Pentagram but with the confiscation of all surveillance videos, and hiding them under lock and key, exactly what was done is left open to only circumstantial analysis which the Spooks can try to confuse and invalidate through disinformation antics. Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion. Good post, OI.
This is another thing I have thought about. Why didn't Osama, he of the Magickal Cell Phone™, know that if the attacks happened an hour or so later that they would have killed far more people? Doesn't it make sense, if the goal is to create terror, to take out as many people as possible? A couple of hours later the death toll might easily have passed 50,000. The only way they could have done less damage would have been to have stolen a plane at an airport at 3 in the morning and killed the cleaning crew when the plane(s) hit the buildings. But then, Osama sitting over there in his cave, had about as much to do with that as Oswald did in Kennedy's murder. He was a convenient patsy, the best enemy money could buy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What cover-up?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I watch very few movies--probably fewer than you do--and as for video games, I play some pinball on my computer. So I guess you are not that good at guessing about other folks' activities.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. There is no question about it.... the ye ol' Skull&Bones club stikes again... meanwhile, tens of thousands of Washington DC bureaucrats attempted to escape to their appointed bunkers ..... What happened? The lazy bureaucrats were fearful for their own lives (WE ARE GOING TO DIE!) ALL at the same time and flooded the freeway systems into Virgina and West Virginia because of their panick and otherwise hysteric antics. They were grid-locked. And the minuscule numbers that made it to the bunkers.... half of them were refused access...... because they weren't authorized even though their bosses told them to do so. ROTFL ... this fucking government can't plan anything more than a water cooler in an air-conditioned office so the bureaucrats can chit-chat about their benfits all day.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The one either deliberately or inadvertantly perpetrated by people such as you that spin tales of impossible feats, reciting the fable given to the sheep from up high, and ridicule any real facts concerning the events of September 11, 2001.
What are you saying, that you think Dubya had the smarts to plan it himself, or that he would if he could?
I'd be more inclined to view his poppy as one of the planners.
See post #265, this thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The fact that the government instantly blamed bin Laden, and had the identities of the "hijackers" the same day (even though many of them are actually still alive), along with the fact they made no effort to investigate whether explosives were used in the towers, indicates an inside job. Terrorists have traditionally utilized explosives to make their point, and to ridicule and deride any mention of possible explosives wreaks of cover-up. As far as the Pentagon attack, a real terrorist would have dove down into the TOP of the Pentagon, splashing as much fuel over the entire structure as possible. The entire building, or at least a good portion of it, would have been engulfed in flames. But no, it performs a military fighter jet manuever to AVOID the high value targets (ie, Rumsfeld office and those of other high up brass), flys at tree- top level for a mile, then performs a physically impossible manuever to hit the most reinforced section dead-on. Oh no, nothing to see here, you're a KOOK if you think some imcompetent pilot who couldn't fly a Cessna didn't do all that.
I'm sure the people who were in on the plan knew where to go.
George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
...But like the mass of Washingtonians, officials from other agencies found themselves virtually on their own, unsure of where to go or what to do, or whom to contact for the answers. What happened? The lazy bureaucrats were fearful for their own lives (WE ARE GOING TO DIE!) ALL at the same time and flooded the freeway systems into Virgina and West Virginia because of their panick and otherwise hysteric antics. They were grid-locked. And the minuscule numbers that made it to the bunkers.... half of them were refused access...... because they weren't authorized even though their bosses told them to do so. Good find. And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites. And where's Professor Theologian David Ray Griffin to supply sorely needed org charts and project schedules, showing the principalities, powers, human agents, and pending actions of carrying out the Devil's Work on the unsuspecting American publick?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him. My ass. He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all. You paint him as some senile old geriatric, where he's still very much in form for his age. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft? Sense of duty to his clan, money, power, greed.
What cover-up? Only willful blindness can keep you from seeing it. Just to cite one example: During the clean-up of ground zero all of the structural debris was kept under armed guard, as it was moved to a holding site it was kept under armed guard, it was then shipped to China, without an Engineering Forensics examination ever being done - which is standard procedure in any structural failure resulting in a loss of life, still under armed guard all the time until the barges moved out of the harbor. There is also testimony, which I am not going to go find a link for - it's out there if you want to look, from witnesses saying that investigators on site were prevented from doing a detailed examination. The steel was sold not to the highest bidder, there is at least one domestic bidder that squawked about that, but to a foreign bidder - the obvious implication being to ensure that no one was able to examine the structural member too closely. And the Chairman of the 911 Commission, which Bush fought establishing for over a year, has repudiated his own commission's final report saying that they were lied to extensively by the White House and Military and prevented from pursuing some avenues of investigation. It is all there in plain daylight for anyone who is not in thrall to the PsyOps "hurdy gurdy" about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known. Those with the power to order war games at the same time as the attacks, and those with the power to disrupt and sabatoge any real investigation into the attacks themselves, are the ONLY ones that HAD to know what's going on.
I think Bush wasn't being totally off the wall when he said the "terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedoms". Look at the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act for instance. The REAL terrorists more than likely DO hate the freedoms we once enjoyed in this country, and did what was necessary to strip them away from us.
He could care less about active politics or methods of government tyranny at his late age. So you made my point.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Why don't we have one of those books (you know how some of these whistleblowers come out of the closet) or an interview or a thread about who was identified in the HANDFUL of people involved with FACTS as opposed to mere speculation? Have you ever thought that there aren't any because you are chasing having a conspiracy with no legs?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So you think just because he's not out campaigning that he's totally out of the political picture, and has no influence in what goes on? Man are you naive. How old is Kissenger these days?
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known. Those with the power to order war games at the same time as the attacks, and those with the power to disrupt and sabatoge any real investigation into the attacks themselves, are the ONLY ones that HAD to know what's going on. That is a common disinformation argument - "well positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know". Which of course is bogus and easily shown to be bogus. In a compartmentalized operation each individual actor knows only his or her orders, and not even the reason for the orders. It is just - "do 'X'". Additionally the black ops community in the U.S. has grown quite large and would have provided the cadre for any such operation. And the naive notion that there are not people in the Spook community evil enough to do this is just flat naive. The argument that positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know" conforms to several points in Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. The assertion that "everybody would know" is a generalization at conflict with the known level of secrecy and compartmentalization that operates in government Intelligence Agencies. It is a straw man because it erects a distraction and attempts to equate the straw man with reality. This type of argument also indirect seeks to imply 12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Have you ever thought that there aren't any because you are chasing having a conspiracy with no legs? Do you think those who would pull off such an operation would leave any loose ends? Anyone complicit with the attacks are either NEVER going to reveal it since they were responsible for those attacks, or they have been neutralized. How many books have been written by "Al-Qaeda" operatives admitting how they planned and carried out the attacks, and how they got away with it? Besides the videos of actors playing bin Laden, how many people have come out and claimed involvement?
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus? Along the setting up a complex undetactable advanced detonation system of which not a single shred has ever been found or photographed at any of the NYC crash sites? Sounds like a workforce taking tens of thousands of man hours with an even greater level of management and logistics than normally needed. After all, they weren't exactly driving this junk through the loading docks in broad daylight were they? You Six Percenters make zero sense most of the time. You deny what's obvious: A skilled combat engineer and guerilla leader threatens the US for ten years, gradually escalates his attacks, sets up insurgent training camps, and issues public declarations about how attacks will continue escalating, but is dismissed as not instigating hijackers and suicide bombers because for a few months he parsed words to deny direct involvement. Yet you flog all manner of controverted appeals to belief while claiming to be scholars and scientists. But without offering any argments more substantive than nit picking others' claims and endlessly repeating bromides about "Magick Jet Fuel" and "They hate us for their freedoms" originating in your own confused minds.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you for real? 10 to 100 TONS? Try more like a couple of hundred pounds or so of strategically placed remote controlled explosives, with maybe another hundred pounds or so of the nanothermate mixed in with paint. The elevator shafts were being serviced weeks before 9/11, and at least one of the towers had a power shutdown the weekend before 9/11 to allow workers to run cable and wires throughout the building.
Cheers from all the punks and cowards whom perpetrated this disaster minutes after the event occured. And, here you are arguing that some inside government group backed by (Rothchilds????? Wall_Street????? BIG_BANKERS?????? UFO_human_body_snatchers?????) were in on it....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI have often wondered if the small talk that morning was Ted Kennedy’s defense mechanism, if after so much tragedy—the combat death of his oldest brother in World War II, the assassinations of his brothers Jack and Robert, and the deaths of nephews, including John Jr., whose body he identified when it was pulled from the cold, dark waters off Martha’s Vineyard—if after all of those things, he simply could not look upon another grievous tragedy.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#246. To: buckeroo (#229)
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On the morning of 9/11 are you or anyone aware of what happened in Washington DC for evacuation planning and execution for the bureaucrats?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#247. To: James Deffenbach (#241)
George couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery or find his ass with a map and both hands.
#248. To: buckeroo (#235)
In the intervening years, Judd and I, and many others, were left to contemplate what if Flight 93 had not been forced down by its passengers into an empty field;
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#249. To: James Deffenbach (#245)
I noticed she didn't mention the "grievous tragedy" that Teddy perpetrated at Chappaquidick. Or her own, where she ran over her boyfriend and killed him.
#250. To: buckeroo (#235)
At that moment, another agent ran up to us and said, “Mr. President, it’s one of our own.” The plane was ours.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#251. To: buckeroo (#247)
Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#252. To: AGAviator (#246)
Wait a minute, haven't the CT's informed us of the prefab death camps ready to be rolled out any day now?
#253. To: buckeroo (#235)
As the skies and streets grew silent, there was a debate over what to do with George and what to do with me.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#254. To: FormerLurker (#251)
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he [GWBush] DID more than likely go along with it.
#255. To: buckeroo (#247)
Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#256. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#244)
#257. To: James Deffenbach, FormerLurker (#255)
I don't recall anyone saying George planned anything and I know I haven't said it. I have said that it is obvious he went along with the plan. But planned it? No.
#258. To: buckeroo (#235)
Walking through the hallways, I saw a sign emblazoned with the emergency number 9-1-1. Had the terrorists thought about our iconic number when they picked this date and planned an emergency so overwhelming?
#259. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#258)
It sounds like Laura wasn't clued in.
Honey, tomorrow I am going to read about Goat's in Florida to a pile of Negroe children in kindergarten. While I am away .... you just might die because of a plan to destroy the WhiteHouse and the Pentagon. Don't worry about me though.... my book is read up-side-down!
#260. To: buckeroo (#254)
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he [GWBush] DID more than likely go along with it.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#261. To: Original_Intent (#256)
I can't say that I have sorted it all out, but you are right in that a lot of thought and planning had to go into this event. It was probably several years in the works. It almost would have had to have been, because of the logistics of setting up the demolition charges without anyone noticing.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#262. To: Original_Intent (#256)
While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#263. To: Original_Intent (#256)
The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
#264. To: buckeroo (#257)
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#265. To: AGAviator (#260)
Ya think Shrub swore fealty to Satan, while a member of that Yale frat that had Geronomo's skull?
On 9/11, the program was put to the test -- and failed. Not on the national security side: Vice President Cheney and others in the national security leadership were smoothly whisked away from the capital following procedures overseen by the Pentagon and the White House Military Office. But like the mass of Washingtonians, officials from other agencies found themselves virtually on their own, unsure of where to go or what to do, or whom to contact for the answers.
#266. To: buckeroo (#263)
What cover-up?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#267. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#257)
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#268. To: buckeroo (#254)
Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#269. To: FormerLurker, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, James Deffenbach (#267)
#270. To: Original_Intent, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#256)
Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#271. To: buckeroo (#265)
ROTFL ... this fucking government can't plan anything more than a water cooler in an air-conditioned office so the bureaucrats can chit-chat about their benfits all day.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#272. To: FormerLurker (#268)
I'd be more inclined to view his poppy as one of the planners.
#273. To: buckeroo (#265)
The ye ol' Skull&Bones club stikes again... meanwhile, tens of thousands of Washington DC bureaucrats attempted to escape to their appointed bunkers .....
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#274. To: buckeroo (#272)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#275. To: buckeroo, all (#263)
The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
#276. To: AGAviator, buckeroo (#273)
And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#277. To: Original_Intent (#275)
It is all there in plain daylight for anyone who is not in thrall to the PsyOps "hurdy gurdy" about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#278. To: FormerLurker (#274)
He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all.
#279. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#276)
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known.
#280. To: buckeroo (#278)
He could care less about active politics or methods of government tyranny at his late age. So you made my point.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#281. To: FormerLurker (#276)
And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites.
#282. To: buckeroo (#279)
Why don't we have one of those books (you know how some of these whistleblowers come out of the closet) or an interview or a thread about who was identified in the HANDFUL of people involved with FACTS as opposed to mere speculation?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#283. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#276)
(Edited)
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#284. To: AGAviator (#283)
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#285. To: Original_Intent (#281)
"well positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know". Which of course is bogus and easily shown to be bogus.
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