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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#273. To: buckeroo (#265)
...But like the mass of Washingtonians, officials from other agencies found themselves virtually on their own, unsure of where to go or what to do, or whom to contact for the answers. What happened? The lazy bureaucrats were fearful for their own lives (WE ARE GOING TO DIE!) ALL at the same time and flooded the freeway systems into Virgina and West Virginia because of their panick and otherwise hysteric antics. They were grid-locked. And the minuscule numbers that made it to the bunkers.... half of them were refused access...... because they weren't authorized even though their bosses told them to do so. Good find. And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites. And where's Professor Theologian David Ray Griffin to supply sorely needed org charts and project schedules, showing the principalities, powers, human agents, and pending actions of carrying out the Devil's Work on the unsuspecting American publick?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him. My ass. He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all. You paint him as some senile old geriatric, where he's still very much in form for his age. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft? Sense of duty to his clan, money, power, greed.
What cover-up? Only willful blindness can keep you from seeing it. Just to cite one example: During the clean-up of ground zero all of the structural debris was kept under armed guard, as it was moved to a holding site it was kept under armed guard, it was then shipped to China, without an Engineering Forensics examination ever being done - which is standard procedure in any structural failure resulting in a loss of life, still under armed guard all the time until the barges moved out of the harbor. There is also testimony, which I am not going to go find a link for - it's out there if you want to look, from witnesses saying that investigators on site were prevented from doing a detailed examination. The steel was sold not to the highest bidder, there is at least one domestic bidder that squawked about that, but to a foreign bidder - the obvious implication being to ensure that no one was able to examine the structural member too closely. And the Chairman of the 911 Commission, which Bush fought establishing for over a year, has repudiated his own commission's final report saying that they were lied to extensively by the White House and Military and prevented from pursuing some avenues of investigation. It is all there in plain daylight for anyone who is not in thrall to the PsyOps "hurdy gurdy" about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known. Those with the power to order war games at the same time as the attacks, and those with the power to disrupt and sabatoge any real investigation into the attacks themselves, are the ONLY ones that HAD to know what's going on.
I think Bush wasn't being totally off the wall when he said the "terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedoms". Look at the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act for instance. The REAL terrorists more than likely DO hate the freedoms we once enjoyed in this country, and did what was necessary to strip them away from us.
He could care less about active politics or methods of government tyranny at his late age. So you made my point.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Why don't we have one of those books (you know how some of these whistleblowers come out of the closet) or an interview or a thread about who was identified in the HANDFUL of people involved with FACTS as opposed to mere speculation? Have you ever thought that there aren't any because you are chasing having a conspiracy with no legs?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So you think just because he's not out campaigning that he's totally out of the political picture, and has no influence in what goes on? Man are you naive. How old is Kissenger these days?
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known. Those with the power to order war games at the same time as the attacks, and those with the power to disrupt and sabatoge any real investigation into the attacks themselves, are the ONLY ones that HAD to know what's going on. That is a common disinformation argument - "well positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know". Which of course is bogus and easily shown to be bogus. In a compartmentalized operation each individual actor knows only his or her orders, and not even the reason for the orders. It is just - "do 'X'". Additionally the black ops community in the U.S. has grown quite large and would have provided the cadre for any such operation. And the naive notion that there are not people in the Spook community evil enough to do this is just flat naive. The argument that positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know" conforms to several points in Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. The assertion that "everybody would know" is a generalization at conflict with the known level of secrecy and compartmentalization that operates in government Intelligence Agencies. It is a straw man because it erects a distraction and attempts to equate the straw man with reality. This type of argument also indirect seeks to imply 12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Have you ever thought that there aren't any because you are chasing having a conspiracy with no legs? Do you think those who would pull off such an operation would leave any loose ends? Anyone complicit with the attacks are either NEVER going to reveal it since they were responsible for those attacks, or they have been neutralized. How many books have been written by "Al-Qaeda" operatives admitting how they planned and carried out the attacks, and how they got away with it? Besides the videos of actors playing bin Laden, how many people have come out and claimed involvement?
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus? Along the setting up a complex undetactable advanced detonation system of which not a single shred has ever been found or photographed at any of the NYC crash sites? Sounds like a workforce taking tens of thousands of man hours with an even greater level of management and logistics than normally needed. After all, they weren't exactly driving this junk through the loading docks in broad daylight were they? You Six Percenters make zero sense most of the time. You deny what's obvious: A skilled combat engineer and guerilla leader threatens the US for ten years, gradually escalates his attacks, sets up insurgent training camps, and issues public declarations about how attacks will continue escalating, but is dismissed as not instigating hijackers and suicide bombers because for a few months he parsed words to deny direct involvement. Yet you flog all manner of controverted appeals to belief while claiming to be scholars and scientists. But without offering any argments more substantive than nit picking others' claims and endlessly repeating bromides about "Magick Jet Fuel" and "They hate us for their freedoms" originating in your own confused minds.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you for real? 10 to 100 TONS? Try more like a couple of hundred pounds or so of strategically placed remote controlled explosives, with maybe another hundred pounds or so of the nanothermate mixed in with paint. The elevator shafts were being serviced weeks before 9/11, and at least one of the towers had a power shutdown the weekend before 9/11 to allow workers to run cable and wires throughout the building.
Cheers from all the punks and cowards whom perpetrated this disaster minutes after the event occured. And, here you are arguing that some inside government group backed by (Rothchilds????? Wall_Street????? BIG_BANKERS?????? UFO_human_body_snatchers?????) were in on it....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You base your fantasy on impossible events, such as skyscrappers falling into their own footprints at close to freefall speeds, committed by "19 arabs who hated us because we are free", 7 or 9 of which are still definitely alive and well. Your delusion relies on the belief that dead people can walk, talk, and give interviews. It also hinges on the belief that a person who couldn't even fly a small single engine aircraft navigated a sophisticated commerical airliner from Ohio to Washington DC, flew it like a fighter jet, and performed the impossible task of flying it straight and level 20 feet or so off the ground at 530 mph, straight into the ground level of the Pentagon.
You mean these folks? The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
uh huh .....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
That's better than the 94 percenters which make zero sense all the time.
God is always good!
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus? Are you for real? 10 to 100 TONS? Try more like a couple of hundred pounds or so of strategically placed remote controlled explosives, with maybe another hundred pounds or so of the nanothermate mixed K00k in chief Harritt says 10 to 100 tons. Try to keep up on yor k00klatather talking points, especially when they come straight from the sources. Who knows, a burst of sanity may visit itself you however briefly when you realize just how deranged their messages are.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Five Dancing Israelis ...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy. A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3) Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6) One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News: (*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms") Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11) The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001: American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13) It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14). What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel. It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five. Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re- crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play. From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks. A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (21). The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24) It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario: 2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. 3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices. 4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture. 5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs. 6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly. Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9/11 attacks even though he had no previous record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit World Trade Center 1 The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place! But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you? Bin Laden is not named as the perpetrator of 9/11 by the FBI: When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page (30), [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” (31) To date, the only shred of “evidence” to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (33) There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America. If the sovereign foreign government mentioned by Senator Graham was an enemy of the United States the "compelling evidence" would not be kept secret for 20+ years. One final point; at 09:40 on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (35). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories." (36) Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (37) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks? The implication of Palestinians in the 9/11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists. US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring. See also: Federal Assistance to Recipient URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS INC So how many dead people have YOU spoken with personally? If you've never tried it, perhaps you should give some of those hijackers a call over in their respective counties.
Perhaps he's just another disinfo k00k, just like you.
K00k in chief Harritt says 10 to 100 tons. Perhaps he's just another disinfo k00k, just like you. How fucking lame, even for a Six Percenter loser like you. Harritt is the lead author of the only so called "peer reviewed" publication of "911 studies" ever published - the hole in the wall Dhubai "Open Chemical Physics Journal " which someone paid $800 to get into print. Now you're calling him "Perhaps...another disinfo k00k" as he gets caught in one of his many whoppers. And you, shamelessly changing your supporters at the drop of a hat.
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. How fucking lame are YOU, master of projection, where you not only believe in impossible faery tales, but you continue to call people who are infinintly more sane and intelligent than yourself "6 percenters". Get over yourself, most REAL surveys indicate at least a third of Americans (33% for the math challenged) feel that 9/11 was an "inside job".
Who cares? Does he or his comments change the fact that skyscrappers simply CAN NOT fall into their own footprint at close to free fall speed? The answer is no, it does not change a thing.
And?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Seems like you were placing the blame on the Palestinians, just like your good buddies the Israeli Mossad had tried to do...
What happened to your "dancing MOSSAD" squadron? Detained for five months? Hmmmm. [edit: apparently the "planners" had a hole in their respective shoes]
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Your 2 statements have been extensively and conclusively debunked. The buildings fell into their own footprints because absent a sideways pushing/pulling force exceeding their entire mass of the falling sections, and cabable of acting within a few seconds, they only major, mega scale force capable of acting on the entire structures at the same time was gravity, which would attempt to pull them straight down, as gravity is known to do. The buildings took about 8-9 seconds past computed free fall speed, so that claim is DOA to any serious observer.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The fact that they had their cameras setup BEFORE the first impact, high fived each other and lit their Bics in celebration after the planes struck the towers, and tried to setup the blame on Palestinians by phoning in a bomb scare at the Holland Tunnel, and being caught with explosives in their van once their plan backfired, I'd say there's something there. It's even more informative that they were released after high level "officials" worked on their behalf.
Why were they let "off the hook" then?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Here again buckie you show your ignorance and susceptibility for accepting PsyOps as true. Oh, it is Palestinians cheering, but the problem is out of context spin put on it. There have also been a couple of debates as to the source of the footage i.e., whether it is Palestinians cheering the invasion of Kuwait or at a Soccer Match. The prime source for debunking that is the now discredited Snopes - which has a Democrat/Israeli bias. However it IS real footage - just not of ALL Palestinians cheering the 911 attack, but of SOME Palestinians cheering. Not that I would blame them if they did given that the U.S. is the prime provider for the weaponry the Israhellis use to murder their children and shoot farmers in their fields. Every time a round lands in a Palestinian child it might as well have "made in the U.S.A. stamped on it. Likely it was pushed in part because of the 5 Dancing Israeli's and Netanyahu's comment that the attack was "good for Israel". More planted disinformation to support the cover legend for the PsyOp and distract people from other telling information. Tell me buckie, are you as upset by the Cheering Israelis filming the event, which they had to have known about in advance to be set up to film it, as you are over a few Palestinians cheering their oppressor's sponsor getting comeuppance? Look at it from their point of view. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but walk a mile in their moccasins.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I bet you never even took high school physics did you. An object ALWAYS takes the path of least resistance. If a corner of the floors below the upper section had started to buckle and give way, the top of the tower would have tumbled and slid off the lower structure in that direction. As far as the top of the structure falling STRAIGHT DOWN (the path of GREATEST RESISTANCE), it would have taken more than 1 second to demolish all of the floors below the damaged section, which is the time it took since it only took about 1 extra second for the top of the building to hit the ground than if it had fallen through thin air. Yeah right, keep believing that faery tale if it makes you happy, just don't go killing innocent people over it. Oh that's right, we have to go "kill them there" so that we won't have to "fight them here". What utter insanity.
Go ask Cheney.
I have made the BIG_TIME!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
My ass. He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all. You paint him as some senile old geriatric, where he's still very much in form for his age. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft? Sense of duty to his clan, money, power, greed. Hell! My Grandfather didn't even retire till he was 85 - said the 12 hour days were getting a "little long". In his 90's he was still playing winning Poker and skinning geezers 20 years his junior. Age is relative. some people are old at 60 and some are young at 90.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Where was he for five months? Golfing? Playing Canasta? Eating steak and potatoes increasing his cholesterol while planning his heart valve for yesterday?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Wasn't keeping tabs on his whereabouts, sorry. Thing is, the local FBI were holding them on REALLY good reasons, it was "higher authority" who eventually cut them loose.
Due to the unique central column and "tube in a tube" design of the WTC towers, its building floors were 95% air, which makes down the path of least resistance except for getting rid of some air pockets equally in all directions. This means gravity acting on building components will pull the the building floors and walls straight down. Or as Thomas Eager put it, Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down. pnwed. Your high school grade in Physics is "F," clown.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see. And the CIA (whose charter is ALL about international subterfuge one way or another) had nothing to do with it? I guess you don't remember how fucked-upped the CIA's substantial reports on Iraq's WMD was, correct? Man .... get off of it. This nation is run by clowns voted into office by morons looking for a handout. And the people that have a job to do don't know their asses from a hole in the ground (to use a popular cliché)beyond what they were taught in college and yet you think ANYONE in America is running some sort of clandestine operation/tyranny against Americans? To do so, takes brains .... otherwise known as intellectual capability. The best most bureaucrats can come up with is drool on their own sheepskins as they fell asleep in class for four years.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The CIA was ordered to rewrite their reports, because they didn't say what Cheney wanted them to say. In fact, he STILL wasn't satisified and had Rumsfeld create his own intel agency, the Office of Special Plans, which wrote the sort of reports that Cheney wanted to see.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe ye ol' Skull&Bones club stikes again... meanwhile, tens of thousands of Washington DC bureaucrats attempted to escape to their appointed bunkers .....
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#274. To: buckeroo (#272)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#275. To: buckeroo, all (#263)
The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
#276. To: AGAviator, buckeroo (#273)
And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#277. To: Original_Intent (#275)
It is all there in plain daylight for anyone who is not in thrall to the PsyOps "hurdy gurdy" about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#278. To: FormerLurker (#274)
He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all.
#279. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#276)
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known.
#280. To: buckeroo (#278)
He could care less about active politics or methods of government tyranny at his late age. So you made my point.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#281. To: FormerLurker (#276)
And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites.
#282. To: buckeroo (#279)
Why don't we have one of those books (you know how some of these whistleblowers come out of the closet) or an interview or a thread about who was identified in the HANDFUL of people involved with FACTS as opposed to mere speculation?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#283. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#276)
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You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#284. To: AGAviator (#283)
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#285. To: Original_Intent (#281)
"well positively everybody in the world would have had to have been "in the know". Which of course is bogus and easily shown to be bogus.
#286. To: AGAviator (#283)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#287. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, ALL (#285)
Cheers from all the punks and cowards whom perpetrated this disaster minutes after the event occured.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#288. To: FormerLurker (#287)
Our purpose was to document the event.
#289. To: AGAviator (#283)
You Six Percenters make zero sense most of the time.
#290. To: FormerLurker, buckerr, turtle (#284)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#291. To: buckeroo (#288)
Arrested On 9- 11
As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8) 
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9) When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis! "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10) The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12) 
"...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge." The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (20) Suter's departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers and suspected al- Qaeda sympathizers, suggesting that U.S. authorities felt Suter may have known something about the attacks. (22) "There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11." (25) Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (26) How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? 1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.
CIA Director George Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." (27)
9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (28) [A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked. "It's so huge. He couldn't have done it alone." A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (29) "So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming" - Dick Cheney. (32) "I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now" - Senator Bob Graham. (34) Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfil what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land." (38) "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." 
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Motto of the Mossad
2002: Police Seize Rental Truck With TNT Traces Driven By Israelis
Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
Zionist Circles Benefit From WTC Collapse
Israel and 9/11 - Index of What Really Happened
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#292. To: AGAviator (#290)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#293. To: AGAviator (#290)
K00k in chief Harritt says 10 to 100 tons.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#294. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#293)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#295. To: FormerLurker (#280)
Man are you naive. How old is Kissenger these days?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#296. To: AGAviator (#294)
How fucking lame, even for a Six Percenter loser like you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#297. To: AGAviator (#294)
Harritt is the lead author of the only so called "peer reviewed" publication of "911 studies" ever published - the hole in the wall Dhubai "Open Chemical Physics Journal " which someone paid $800 to get into print.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#298. To: FormerLurker (#291)
#299. To: buckeroo (#298)
And?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#300. To: FormerLurker (#299)
(Edited)
just like your good buddies the Israeli Mossad had tried to do...
#301. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#297)
Who cares? Does he or his comments change the fact that skyscrappers simply CAN NOT fall into their own footprint at close to free fall speed?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#302. To: buckeroo (#300)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#303. To: FormerLurker (#302)
The fact that they had their cameras setup BEFORE the first impact, high fived each other and lit their Bics in celebration after the planes struck the towers, and tried to setup the blame on Palestinians by phoning in a bomb scare at the Holland Tunnel, and being caught with explosives in their van once their plan backfired, I'd say there's something there.
#304. To: buckeroo (#285)
#305. To: AGAviator (#301)
The buildings fell into their own footprints because absent a sideways pushing/pulling force
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#306. To: buckeroo (#303)
Why were they let "off the hook" then?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#307. To: Original_Intent, **4um PSY-OP Club** (#304)
Here again buckie you show your ignorance and susceptibility for accepting PsyOps as true.
#308. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, all (#274)
George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him.
#309. To: FormerLurker (#306)
#310. To: buckeroo (#309)
Where was he for five months? Golfing? Playing Canasta? Eating steak and potatoes increasing his cholesterol while planning his heart valve for yesterday?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#311. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#305)
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I bet you never even took high school physics did you. An object ALWAYS takes the path of least resistance
If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#312. To: FormerLurker (#310)
Thing is, the local FBI were holding them on REALLY good reasons, it was "higher authority" who eventually cut them loose.
#313. To: buckeroo (#312)
I guess you don't remember how fucked-upped the CIA's substantial reports on Iraq's WMD was, correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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