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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#341. To: buckeroo (#339)
None of which makes someone who is incapable---ineffincapable, buck!--of flying a CESSNA, capable of flying a heavy commercial airliner and fly them like an ace pilot in a stunt plane. The very idea is ridiculous beyond belief and anyone who would believe such a thing is beyond gullible and naive.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I stand corrected. :-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL! See to it that it doesn't happen again and you can be let off with a warning.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Eat me. Most of the research at MIT is federally funded. They are so tight with the FedGov that they might need a crowbar to separate them. Grants, as such, are generally not available on the Internet. However, one can make inferences based on what one knows. So, sue me.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I feel soooooooooo chastened. ;-(
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
There was a ALSO a large air to mass ratio in the aircraft, where the aircraft should have folded up like a soda can when it hit the structure due to the inertia of the structure versus the inertia of the plane. An analogy is throwing an egg at a brick wall, the egg will lose everytime. There were heavy steel columns running the entire vertical lengths of the towers, as well has a heavy steel core. The floors were made of steel and concrete. If anything, if the floors had "pancaked" the rest of the structure should have remained standing, or the outer walls falling apart outwards like an embrella, with the center core remaining in place. You could say ANY building has more air than it has mass, yet how many other buildings fall into their own footprint if the upper section is damaged? The towers were similar yet STRONGER than a hollow steel light pole (as they not only had a center core, but had reinforced concrete floors laterally between the inner core and outer shell), where just because you cut the top off with a saw, it doesn't make the bottom section fall down. As far as sway, the towers ALWAYS swayed on the upper floors during heavy gusts of wind, and DID sway when impacted by the aircraft that morning. Lightpoles ALSO sway in heavy winds, but if anything they fall OVER if the wind becomes too great, they don't crush themselves downwards into dust.
Name calling is juvenile.
Well, it was for his own good. He'll thank me one of these days.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. But, Hanjour didn't fly it. He fucked upped whatever plan he had by attempting to control the craft; flying a craft as AGAviator has suggested means he could competently take-off and land the craft that he was trained for. I provided a link way up @post#171 that you can click on for both REAL and simulated animations of FLT77. He couldn't hit .... and did minor damage when you consider what could have happened with a competent pilot at the helm.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't know who he is. Is he your boss? I have studied this for a long time. I didn't reach my conclusion lightly cause I didn't want to believe it. But I can't ignore facts, I never have been able to. I don't need a so-called "expert" to tell me how physics work, I know it very well.
God is always good!
And? Your earlier post @post#319 was some sort of idiotic blather that persuades me? ROTFL
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The gubmint said he did, didn't they? And you believe their story, right? Or are you schizo with several personalities, each of them believing a different thing depending on what day it is?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Are you saying that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? SOMETHING did, and whatever it was hit it DEAD ON. However, not many, if ANY, professional pilots could have accomplished that with a 757 or any other large heavy aircraft. You see, it's pretty much physically impossible to fly less than 60 feet off the ground with a 757 at over 400 mph due to ground effect, where we are to believe an inexperienced student pilot who couldn't fly a Cessna accomplished not only that, but he flew down to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph. IF a REAL terrorist had hijacked the plane over Washington, he wouldn't have flown down to the deck and flown it into the wall of the building, not only because it's impossible, but it would be MUCH easier and MUCH more effective to simply dive down into the ROOF of the Pentagon, spreading fuel over much if not all of the structure, and enveloping the entire building in flames.
Tell it to Prof. Eager. And not once the upper floors started moving past the point where the "tube inside a tube" design was unable to support the mass and the momentum of the pancaking higher floors. You're working on an F minus.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is publick released knowdge of a "term" to simplify for the uneducated masses the challenge of being at the helm. Of course, YOU believe Hanjour intentionally flew FLT77 into the side of the Pentagon, correct?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
He flew it with military precision according to experienced air traffic controllers at Dulles International Airport. In fact they said they thought it was one of our military aircraft protecting the skies of Washington by the way it flew. How about that supposed high level defector from al Queda by way of Jordan late 2009 who acted like he had so much intel, he got 7 CIA people into the same room where they all got killed in one attack?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you already forgotten the clip I provided on this thread @post#171? I think so.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Show me your proof of your theory, with specific facts, documentation, and independently corroboratable evidence. Tearing alternative and more fact- based theories down with arm waving and selective quoting does not score any points on your behalf.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't believe that anyone who is not capable of flying a little Cessna is capable of performing stunt moves with a big commercial airliner, stunt moves that would take an experienced pilot and most likely a fighter plane to perform.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You're working on an F minus. Where is the evidence of that happening? There is none. IF there was structural degradation due to heat, it would NOT have been uniform, and the top of the tower would have sagged to one side, causing huge lateral forces to snap any weakened sections, then broken off, sliding downwards on an angle out away from the structure. Your pal's pancake theory doesn't explain what happened to the steel core either, nor the outer steel columns. The entire steel core should have remained standing if some floors had pancaked, yet the steel core disintegrated into dust. Besides, the pancake theory only works if the floors remained somewhat intact. The structure turned to dust as it collapsed, so there WAS no pancaking involved.
Oh BS..... he had no such background to withstand the G forces other than shouting "ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!ALLAH! ALLAH!" all the way. He had no control of the plane .... I wager his co-terrorists shit their pants during that maneuver looking forward to their virgins in paradise. And the passengers? They either died of a heart attack and/or shit their britches before impact.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Haven't forgotten it, it simply represents the official explanation of what happened. Thing is, it's physically impossible for a 757 to behave like that at 530 mph due to ground effect.
You are having fun here aren't you buck. You just like to act ridiculous and side with shillsters in order to get people riled up. You are a laugh a minute.
Hanjour did not competently steer the craft is the point. He was in over his head. The outcome is proof because if Hanjour was competent he WOULD HAVE HIT THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE OR THE INNER SANCTUM OF THE PENTAGON... not perform some stunt maneuver on his way to Allah for you to talk about 9 years later.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Then refute the three physics points cited by Eager with specific references and calculations. QED.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to explain something with math to someone who can't understand basic concepts or how to do simple arithmetic.
There were heavy vertical steel columns, and a heavy vertical steel core, idiot. The structure needs to hold up AT LEAST it's own weight, where you and your pal are trying to say any sort of added vertical force is going to crush the building as if it were made of egg shells. It's sad that there are people stupid enough to believe that.
That's only IF Hanjour was actually flying that plane, which any rational person would see he COULD NOT and DID NOT. The aircraft claimed to be Flight 77 did what was intended for it to do by those who executed the attacks.
There is no such way as to chipping away at this conspiracy, is there? OK...... yet, just a moment ago you created a post suggesting @post#353.... What is the matter, now? Losing your own memory? I have heard there are types of mental dymensia, 1) loss of longterm memory and 2) loss of shortterm memory. Please don't be in either one of these categories ... I have known you you too long in time, my friend.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Are you quite sure it's an act?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Click on the link Former Lurker provided up thread just a bit: Hani Hanjour and Flight 77's Unexplained Expert Maneuvers Experienced air traffic controllers couldn't believe the maneuvers being performed and thought it was a military jet with an experienced pilot.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. OK ... fuck Hanjour.... let's pretend it was the TWOOFER_Faerie™ The flight plan wasn't executed with any precision.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It takes a real retard to ask that question. The EARTH and the structure itself is where the INERTIA was, the TOP part of the tower had NOWHERE near that much weight as it was the top 30 floors or so of a 110 story structure, and the 500,000 tons was the weight of the ENTIRE FUCKING BUILDING.
I'm really starting to wonder.
You said that Hanjour didn't hit the Pentagon in one of your posts. I agree, he wasn't flying it, and more than likely it wasn't Flight 77 either. There's no way a 757 could actually fly like that at ground level at 530 mph, and that's the point I've been making all along.
I can explain his maneuvers that no one else can. Hanjour was shitting in his pants as he came up to his final approach and lost his confidence at the last minute and tried to land the fucking plane to save his life. He couldn't even do that.... but off to paradise he went. Meanwhile, here on the Internet some of you folks believe Hanjour (or whomever attempted to control that craft) was competent.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Well, not quite that chastened. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Damn! Well then can you chasten me?
Name calling is juvenile.
Lets get this conspiracy thread topic out of the way ... shall we? Your thread title is about AMA Flight 77 on September 11, 2001 .... Is this the same flight? Or is this some sort of Easter bunny flight delivering chocolate Easter eggs to all the good littl' boys & girls on an early schedule?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Then refute the three physics points cited by Eager with specific references and calculations. (1) All building floors were 95% air, so downward would be the preferred direction of any floor collapses, (2) There is no 500,000 ton force sufficient to displace the center of gravity of a 500,000 ton structure over 100 feet off center to make the building fall outside of its footprint, and (3) Gien the building 500,000 tons of inertia, and the absence of quickly reacting and massive forces operating in anything besides the downward direction, explain how the building could possibly to anywhere but into its uncluttered footprint. QED. QED my little redskinned behind. In a true catastrophic failure it will occur at one point in the structure whether a corner or a center of a wall. It will not occur simultaneously in 360 degrees. Just as Eager's earlier whitewash for NOVA he includes a couple of hidden assumptions and/or outright misleading points. For example in the NOVA piece, long since shredded to the point Eager will not talk about it, he used animations showing the floor struts bare and underneath the floors when in reality they are imbedded in foamed concrete. Here as well we have sleight of hand. Since there will, in a normal catastrophic failure be a first failure point the collapse of the building will begin at that point. As the side crumbles the rest of the structure, still relatively intact, will act as a lever causing the collapsing section to cantilever down, thus altering the center of gravity of the section above, thus it will pivot down throwing the center of gravity further out thus causing the section to either slump or continue rotating outward causing the section to eventually break off and tumble. We can see that happening on one of the towers in the videos, but note that what happens is as it rotates out and is about to tumble over the entire support structure underneath collapses arresting the tumble (the lever is gone) and it then drops straight down on top of the lower structure collapsing underneath it. For Professor Eager's "explanation" to work the collapse of the building has to begin uniformly, symmetrically, in 360 degrees at the same moment in time. The only way that happens is if you remove the support structure all at once, and the only way that happens is with explosives. As listed on the Website of Archetects and Engineers for 911 Truth (who are every bit as qualified as the the lone government grant gobbling shill Eager): As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives: 1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e. 1. Slow onset with large visible deformations "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestGWBush and his immediate predecessor WClinton were informed through the daily briefings about increasing hostile operations evolving in the USA. In fact, there were numerous FBI reports from various field offices that supported the contentions to include the flight training prior to 9/11/01.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#342. To: James Deffenbach (#328)
#343. To: Original_Intent (#342)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#344. To: buckeroo (#340)
#345. To: James Deffenbach (#343)
#346. To: buckeroo (#335)
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But the structure, itself, was largely aire. You act as though it was a solid mass ball capable of going anywhere ... I assume you think it was teetering before the collisions and as a result of the collision it should have swayed in the vector of the impact.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#347. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#345)
I feel soooooooooo chastened. ;-(
#348. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#347)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#349. To: James Deffenbach, AGAviator (#341)
None of which makes someone who is incapable---ineffincapable, buck!--of flying a CESSNA, capable of flying a heavy commercial airliner and fly them like an ace pilot in a stunt plane. The very idea is ridiculous beyond belief and anyone who would believe such a thing is beyond gullible and naive.
#350. To: AGAviator (#330)
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Tell it to Eager.
#351. To: Original_Intent (#344)
Most of the research at MIT is federally funded. They are so tight with the FedGov that they might need a crowbar to separate them.
I don't have a number handy any more but likely...
#352. To: buckeroo (#349)
But, Hanjour didn't fly it.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#353. To: buckeroo (#349)
He couldn't hit .... and did minor damage when you consider what could have happened with a competent pilot at the helm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#354. To: FormerLurker (#332)
The 500,000 tons of inertia was RESISTING the falling section, genius.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#355. To: James Deffenbach (#352)
The gubmint said he did, didn't they?
#356. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, AGAviator, Original_Intent (#349)
But, Hanjour didn't fly it. He fucked upped whatever plan he had by attempting to control the craft
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#357. To: buckeroo, turtle (#329)
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Have you heard about that Iranian nuclear scientist paid $5M by the CIA .... for publick knowledge? Yeah, the guy is going home to Iran, in a hero's welcome!
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#358. To: FormerLurker (#353)
Are you saying that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?
#359. To: FormerLurker (#333)
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Stop projecting your faults.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#360. To: buckeroo (#355)
Of course, YOU believe Hanjour intentionally flew FLT77 into the side of the Pentagon, correct?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#361. To: AGAviator (#354)
And not once the upper floors started moving past the point where the "tube inside a tube" design was unable to support the mass and the momentum of the pancaking higher floors.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#362. To: FormerLurker (#356)
He flew it with military precision according to experienced air traffic controllers at Dulles International Airport.
#363. To: buckeroo (#358)
Have you already forgotten the clip I provided on this thread @post#171? I think so.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#364. To: buckeroo (#362)
Oh BS..... he had no such background to withstand the G forces other than shouting
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#365. To: James Deffenbach (#360)
I don't believe that anyone who is not capable of flying a little Cessna is capable of performing stunt moves with a big commercial airliner, stunt moves that would take an experienced pilot and most likely a fighter plane to perform.
#366. To: RickyJ, buckeroo (#350)
(Edited)
to. I don't need a so-called "expert" to tell me how physics work, I know it very well.
(1) All building floors were 95% air, so downward would be the preferred direction of any floor collapses,
(2) There is no 500,000 ton force sufficient to displace the center of gravity of a 500,000 ton structure over 100 feet off center to make the building fall outside of its footprint, and
(3) Gien the building 500,000 tons of inertia, and the absence of quickly reacting and massive forces operating in anything besides the downward direction, explain how the building could possibly to anywhere but into its uncluttered footprint.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#367. To: AGAviator (#359)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#368. To: AGAviator (#366)
All building floors were 95% air, so downward would be the preferred direction of any floor collapses,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#369. To: buckeroo (#365)
The outcome is proof because if Hanjour was competent he WOULD HAVE HIT THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE OR THE INNER SANCTUM OF THE PENTAGON
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#370. To: FormerLurker (#363)
Haven't forgotten it[the clip @post#171, this thread], it simply represents the official explanation of what happened.
Are you saying that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?
#371. To: FormerLurker (#364)
You just like to act ridiculous
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#372. To: buckeroo (#365)
Hanjour did not competently steer the craft is the point.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#373. To: FormerLurker (#369)
That's only IF Hanjour was actually flying that plane
#374. To: AGAviator (#366)
Gien the building 500,000 tons of inertia, and the absence of quickly reacting and massive forces operating in anything besides the downward direction, explain how the building could possibly to anywhere but into its uncluttered footprint.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#375. To: James Deffenbach (#371)
Are you quite sure it's an act?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#376. To: buckeroo (#370)
OK...... yet, just a moment ago you created a post suggesting @post#353....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#377. To: James Deffenbach (#372)
Hani Hanjour and Flight 77's Unexplained Expert Maneuvers
#378. To: farmfriend (#347)
#379. To: Original_Intent (#378)
Well, not quite that chastened. LOL!
#380. To: FormerLurker (#376)
more than likely it wasn't Flight 77 either.
At 8:20 AM, Flight 77 took off from Dulles International Airport, 10 minutes after its scheduled departure time. At 8:46, Flight 77 veered severely off course. At 8:50, the last radio communication was made from the pilots and air traffic control. At 8:56, the jet's transponder was shut off. The pilots' last transmission was "ah direct FALMOUTH American seventy seven thanks." No radio communications from the flight indicated distress.
#381. To: AGAviator (#366)
to. I don't need a so-called "expert" to tell me how physics work, I know it very well.
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”
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