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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
Source: Rock Creek Free Press
URL Source: http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/285492999/flt77fdr
Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Keywords: Flight 77, 9/11, Black Box
Views: 22693
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"

By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press

Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.

The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.

Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.

The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.

According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)

Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.

It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.

According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.

There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.

The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.

While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.

Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.

Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”

Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”

In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.

As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.

Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.

This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.

Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.

Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.

Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.

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Go to his website and find out...

Why should I find out? As I told you, the burden is on the folks at (PilotsFor911Truth.org); they made the claim; they paid for the data; they maintain the data on their website.

You should have that data now. Evaluate it yourself.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   17:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Go to his website and find out...

Why should I find out? As I told you, the burden is on the folks at (PilotsFor911Truth.org); they made the claim; they paid for the data; they maintain the data on their website.

You should have that data now. Evaluate it yourself.

You're being evasive buckie. I'll bet you looked and found that the Argumentum Ad Hominem you were trying to set up is a loser. Of course it is always a loser to anyone who understands logic. The data is true, not true, or uncertain in three state logic.

Which is it? You're the one demanding people be your research librarian and waste their time looking up stuff you will then promptly ignore. FL gave you the link. Do your own effing research for your ad hominem attacks.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sunday, July 01, 2007   The 2nd Plane Cover Story The complex topography, landscape, and sheer size of the Pentagon create a scenario where people on the alleged impact side of the Pentagon -- who would even have a view of this portion of the building at all -- would most readily be fooled by the sleight of hand deception of a plane timed perfectly with the explosion. However, there are some areas of 395 and up in the Crystal City high-rises where people would have been able to see the flyover no problem.  Here is a shot from the top floor of the Doubletree Hotel that shows what would have been a perfect view of the flyover: Anybody who may have noticed a plane flying over the building were handled with a cover story about a 2nd plane.  There were additional planes called into the area and there were reports of a 2nd plane that allegedly "shadowed" the AA jet and "veered away" over the Pentagon immediately after the explosion.  The two known planes there were reported in the airspace neart the time of the attack are a C-130 and an E4B that came in a few minutes later.  For confusion the flyover plane and the C-130 accounts were ambiguously blended by fabricated accounts of some sort of second military plane/jet shadowing/chasing along the same flight  path then veering off/peeling off and up into the air.  That way anyone who might have seen the flyover jet would be thrown off by these fabricated accounts that bring this alleged ambiguous 2nd plane that much closer to the time of impact, essentially veering away simultaneously with the explosion... Vin Narayanan: -"I hopped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a second *jet* hovering in the skies". Joel Sucherman: -Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"..."another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit. Kelly Knowles: ...she saw a second plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* a hijacked jet plunged into the five-sided military fortress...some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "Thank God somebody else saw that. There was most definitely a second plane, " Knowles said. "It's so frustrating because nobody knows about the second plane, or if they do they're hiding it for some reason." (Kelly sounds like a great actress) Pentagon official said late Friday no other plane was flying with the jetliner. But he said it was possible a military plane was in the area at the time of the attack. (that would sure fool a lot of people who saw a jet fly away) Keith Wheelhouse: -He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon....As the hijacked jet started its descent, "it's like it stepped on its gas pedal, " Wheelhouse said. "As soon as he did that, the second plane banked off to the west." A possible explanation for the second plane could be a plane landing at nearby Ronald Reagan National Airport . The Pentagon is between the cemetery and the airport... (He) said it's possible the second plane was a military plane, but the military has not said it had a plane shadowing the hijacked jet." *-Both Keith and Kelly, as well as at least one other person at the funeral (Pam Young), insist that there was another plane flying near the hijacked jet... the other three witnesses say they're not sure what the plane looked like." Keith Wheelhouse eventually confirmed it as a C-130, but the "other three witnesses", kept it ambiguous enough to still make people think there WAS a military jet chasing/shadowing and that Keith Wheelhouse (who we've interviewed) may be "wrong". It kept people in confusion and the scenario regarding this alleged 2nd plane ambiguous. ...So the "second plane/jet" was eventually explained as being the C-130 piloted by Lt Col Steve O'Brien who never shadowed or chased the plane. He actually lost sight of it after if passed in front of him and he turned around. He was never near AND/OR over the Pentagon at the time of alleged impact (explosion & fireball). In fact it would be physically impossible for him to keep up with a 530 mph jet, when a C-130 can only travel maximum 379 mph. He didn't show up to the scene until approximately 3 minutes later at a much higher altitude. We learned from an e-mail exchange with him that he was too high and far away to even see the Pentagon! C-130 Pilot Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien: "I distinctly remember having a difficult time keeping the AA flight in sight after we turned back to the east to follow it per a request from Wash. Departure Control.  When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.  It was then that I was able to see the sun reflecting off the Potomac and the runway at Wash. Nat'l and thought to myself that the AA flight must have had some sort of IFE (in flight emergency) and was trying to make it back to National Airport." Clearly the "2nd plane" that Wheelhouse and others described shadowing the jet was NOT the C-130. Why wasn't this "2nd plane" more widely reported if it was really in the area at the same time as the attack? Why didn't any of the CITGO witnesses see this 2nd plane? Because there was no 2nd plane seen immediately after or at the same time as the explosion but ambiguous reports suggesting this were meant to confuse people who really saw the plane fly over the building. So...for the sake of argument, pretend you were in the Doubletree on the top floor looking out the window (like in picture at beginning) and you saw the big explosion and the plane flying away from the building.  If you didn't report it you might wonder about what you saw and look into it only to find reports of this mysterious 2nd plane.  Obviously that would satisfy most people.  But there may have been some that called in to report this plane flying over the Pentagon immediately after a massive explosion.  However...we will NEVER know what people initially reported because conveniently for the perpetrators...the 911 calls were confiscated and permanently sequestered. *For more information regarding confiscated 911 tapes click here. *For a video presentation featuring exclusive CIT interviews with Keith Wheelhouse, Joel Sucherman, and Vin Narayanan click here.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:01:28 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why should I find out?

Because you asked. So what are you telling me, you're asking me to waste my time so that you can ignore whatever I post in response to your questions?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you don't care if the story is true or not, you just want to kiss the ass of those who perpetrated the attacks and allow them to do it again, right?

After 8 years you can't even come close to saying what or whose ass that is.

That's pretty conclusive proof you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

What's life like, being in a codependent relationship with figments of your imagination, anyway?

ROFL!!!!

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-16   18:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you or can you not provide a hard number in terms of the collapse times of the towers?

You've been provided them over and over.

Does the sight of Rosie putting on her game face, and bellowing about free fall times and impossibilites, so excite you that you can't remember anything before, during, or after those easily debunked utterances?

LOLOL!

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-16   18:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions of the author above who states that there couldn't have been a 2nd plane, I just found the eyewitness reports curious enough that it warranted some examination.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After 8 years you can't even come close to saying what or whose ass that is.

I've already explained it, and even buckie understood.

In fact, he's the one who spelled it out in terms of who is controlling the Iraqi oil right now.

You need to look at who benefits, and who doesn't.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those eye witnesses do not confirm the story that Buckaroo and AGAvaiator want to believe........so they don't count.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-16   18:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You've been provided them over and over.

You have not once after 563 posts provided that information, you have tap danced, jumped up and down, and sang out of tune, but not once have you posted any numbers concerning actual collapse times.

You CLAIM that you have, yet you can't find ONE post where you did, and refuse to type in a number into the comments window, yet can find the time to post hundreds and hundreds of words that all come down to the same thing, which is, "I dont know".

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I provided the raw .csv file for FormerLurker and anyone else. Since you are so goddamned smart, you save the file and view it.

It is a modifiable file which means ANYONE could make the claim as some so-called researcher claims.

If the file had been properly released by the officiating government agency, it should have been in a pdf or similar R/O (NON-MODIFIABLE) format ..... so, I don't EVEN BELIEVE THE BS FROM THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE ON THIS THREAD.

The story is phoney.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   18:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tell that data to the taxi cab driver whose taxi was destroyed by the lamppost#1. Those two cops are mistaken.

Post the taxi cab driver's story. Here's what the two Pentagon officers had to say...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions of the author above who states that there couldn't have been a 2nd plane, I just found the eyewitness reports curious enough that it warranted some examination.

Actually to my eye it seems to provide more support for the "David Copperfield" Scenario i.e., two planes one impact. Given the extremely low ground clearance on the final approach, combined with ground effect, and wing tip vortices, whoever was carefully planning this out had already decided that an airliner wouldn't work for the impact in the desired spot. So, we get the airliner making an approach from one angle the impact plane from another and a likely third, an AWACS or some such, controlling the approach of the impact craft and the airliner so that as the airliner reaches the Pentagram the impact craft/cruise missile hits the wall and explodes and the other flies off, likely into the sun, and we have then the cover legend that the airliner hit the Pentagram. That is why it was imperative to get all those surveillance videos as the "hand is quicker than the eye" does not work on a camera.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the file had been properly released by the officiating government agency

lol......there you have it--if the story doesn't come straight from the government, then Buckaroo will NOT believe it.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-16   18:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I provided the raw .csv file for FormerLurker and anyone else. Since you are so goddamned smart, you save the file and view it.

It is a modifiable file which means ANYONE could make the claim as some so-called researcher claims.

If the file had been properly released by the officiating government agency, it should have been in a pdf or similar R/O (NON-MODIFIABLE) format ..... so, I don't EVEN BELIEVE THE BS FROM THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE ON THIS THREAD.

Oh yes buck, you are smarter and more of an expert than ALL of the pilots over at Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Why don't YOU grab the actual DATA that the NTSB provided, which is the RAW compressed data from the FDR, download the software from Warren Stutt's website to decompress and decode the data, and generate your OWN CSV file, put it into Excel, and look at the values.

Here's the link;

UAL93 FDR Decoder

THAT, or you could download the raw data, PURCHASE the correct software from the company which MANUFACTURES the FDR, and use THEIR software to decode the data.

In fact, you could file your OWN FOIA request to the NTSB for the FDR data.

Now you have ALL sorts of options there buck.

If I or ANYONE else were to try to tell you the results ourselves, you wouldn't believe it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only options that you present are silly non-verifiable opinions from questionable "researchers" that viewed modifiable data that came from ANYWHERE manipulated by ANYONE.

What a silly presentation you have. You blew it on this thread.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   18:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the file had been properly released by the officiating government agency

lol......there you have it--if the story doesn't come straight from the government, then Buckaroo will NOT believe it.

Yup, straight from the horse's, errr, uh, ummmm, mouth. Yeah, mouth.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only options that you present are silly non-verifiable opinions from questionable "researchers" that viewed modifiable data that came from ANYWHERE manipulated by ANYONE.

What a silly presentation you have. You blew it on this thread.

You are a liar buck. The RAW data is available at the link below;

090324_0813.zip

It's an ISO image of the CD that the NTSB provided the RAW data on.

Here's Warren Stutt's page on that...

NTSB FOIA Request Dated 2nd January 2009

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only options that you present are silly non-verifiable opinions from questionable "researchers" that viewed modifiable data that came from ANYWHERE manipulated by ANYONE.

Ah, most excellent buckie.

First we get the seeding of doubt with an ad hominem "questionable researchers".
(Questionable based on what and by whom?)

Then we get the planted suggestion, without any support whatsoever, that the data has been manipulated.

Great PsyOps buckie. If you only trust the Official Liars that is what you get to believe - Official Lies.

“Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.” - Otto Von Bismarck

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, buck, you're the one who blew it on this thread. "Of course I am simplifying the issue but the fundamental point is the impact of the passenger jet aircraft into each of the towers was the trigger mechanism for structural failure..."

Even if that were true, which it is not as the information I provided showed, why did 7 fall? No plane hit it. Was it the Magickal Jet Fuel™ or some previously unknown and unknowable phenomena at work? Maybe Santa Claus got out early and fell off his sleigh and hit it? Maybe the Easter Bunny got mad and threw an egg at it?

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He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-16   18:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only options that you present are silly non-verifiable opinions from questionable "researchers" that viewed modifiable data that came from ANYWHERE manipulated by ANYONE.

What a silly presentation you have. You blew it on this thread.

You are a liar buck. The RAW data is available at the link below;

090324_0813.zip

It's an ISO image of the CD that the NTSB provided the RAW data on.

Here's Warren Stutt's page on that...

NTSB FOIA Request Dated 2nd January 2009

Oh, buckie is not interested in the data. It conflicts with his story line in the Briefing Book and interferes with his trying to pooh pooh facts contradictory to the Official Lyin'.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's some more info for you buck, if you want to decode and analyze the data yourself...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a liar buck.

LIKE HELL I AM.

The link I provided is from your twoofer_pilot webpage (you know, the folks that created the original article) .... BTW, at least I looked it up .... and the only reason you followed suit was because of the bilge contained supporting the article.

I could care less about your pal. The shit provided is meaningless claptrap, poppycock and rotgut meant for sewage in a dumpster somewhere.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   18:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, buckie is not interested in the data. It conflicts with his story line in the Briefing Book and interferes with his trying to pooh pooh facts contradictory to the Official Lyin'.

Well now he can look at the raw data from the CD if he's actually interested...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh this ripe! Now, you are a firm believer in some Aussie named Stutt; do you two dine and dance together perchance?

I want the original data provided by NTSB, not some shit filtered crap found on the Internet that apparently you are very fond of.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   18:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So in other words, the NTSB raw data is bullshit, eh buck? File a FOIA and get the CD yourself, BUY the damn software from the FDR manufacturer if you don't trust the free software provided by Stutt, or write it yourself. He does in fact provide the source code if you want to verify there's no "funny business" going on in the decode and decompression.

Or you could write it yourself or buy it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh this ripe! Now, you are a firm believer in some Aussie named Stutt; do you two dine and dance together perchance?

I want the original data provided by NTSB, not some shit filtered crap found on the Internet that apparently you are very fond of.

Oh, buckie you're so cute when you spin like that.

You can get the raw data. That is not really your problem, the real problem IS the data.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   18:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I want the original data provided by NTSB

Already provided FOUR links to that idiot. Two were of an ISO image of the NTSB CD, one was of the raw data file, and another was of an identical CD image which SOMEONE ELSE had obtained from a FOIA request.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, that raw data comes directly from an authenticating government agency, does it?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   18:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, that raw data comes directly from an authenticating government agency, does it?

Yes, the NTSB. Did you read anything at all? The FOIA request and their response was provided to you, did you ignore it?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   18:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   19:03:37 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the real problem IS the data.

Agreed. Just because some off-the-wall website with a pile of twoofers makes a claim, gives no credence to the raw data to support the thesis.

Now, why in the world would the US government release data that shows issues about it's own conspiracy against the people?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   19:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, that raw data comes directly from an authenticating government agency, does it?

Yes, the NTSB. Did you read anything at all? The FOIA request and their response was provided to you, did you ignore it?

Of course he ignored it. Well, he didn't really, he just did not want to acknowledge that it might be valid. Buckie isn't interested in it as it does not support his preconceptions, prejudices, or his briefing book.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   19:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, why in the world would the US government release data that shows issues about it's own conspiracy against the people?

Because they claim the validity of the "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter can't be confirmed.

No shit they "can't confirm" it, otherwise it'd be a blatent admission that Flight 77 wasn't hijacked..

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   19:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

buckeroo: So, that raw data comes directly from an authenticating government agency, does it?

FormerLurker: Yes, the NTSB.

This is getting monotonous. The fucking data comes from your pal's (Stutt's) website.

Who knows what he or anyone did with that REAL data. Do you?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-16   19:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-16   19:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the real problem IS the data.

Agreed. Just because some off-the-wall website with a pile of twoofers makes a claim, gives no credence to the raw data to support the thesis.

Now, why in the world would the US government release data that shows issues about it's own conspiracy against the people?

That would be pure speculation. However, a couple of possibilities suggest themselves:

A. Not everybody in the government is in on the op. (Which is almost certainly the case.)

B. The data was already scrubbed and the reason it shows up with no door openings is because the timing of the real door openings did not support the "Official Conspiracy Theory™". For example if the first door opening did not occur until well past the time the plane was allegedly hijacked. That would be even more of a smoking gun than no door openings.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-16   19:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Agreed. Just because some off-the-wall website with a pile of twoofers makes a claim, gives no credence to the raw data to support the thesis.

I'd take the credibility of the pilots and aviation experts who are members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth and believe THEM ANY DAY before I'd believe anything YOU or your sidekick AGitprop had to say Buckie.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   19:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For example if the first door opening did not occur until well past the time the plane was allegedly hijacked. That would be even more of a smoking gun than no door openings.

Unfortunately there are no door openings recorded. However, this is not unusual as the cockpit door usually is kept closed during flight, and the FDR only records data when the engines are running, thus it won't record data between flights.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   19:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is getting monotonous. The fucking data comes from your pal's (Stutt's) website.

Who knows what he or anyone did with that REAL data. Do you?

You are a liar buckie. The ISO image of the NTSB CD is provided at a third party hosting site.

Do you want somebody to come to your door and hand deliver you the actual CD?

File a FOIA request and have them send you one, as that is the only way they'll give it to you.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-16   19:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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