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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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Your original statement, Post #859 on other thread, was the cabin doors were not opened and closed during Flight 77. This is a false k00ksite claim. The facts are, no evidence is reported on crash-damaged equipment, of doors opening and closing for Flight 77, or of 40 hours and 11 flights previous to it. Which does not equal doors did not open or close at all. Instead of acknowledging that error you shift the discussion to quibbling over voice reporters vs. flight data recorders, even though both were damaged and found at the same time, and neither shows any information about cabin doors to make your case.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The relevant issue is successful and full recovery of post-crash data from seriously damaged equipment. Not a belief the airplane couldn't possibly have taken off, unless it could supply that complete information after a crash in the future.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your original statement, Post #859 on other thread, was the cabin doors were not opened and closed during Flight 77. You are a deceptive and dishonest individual. The article here states that researchers who are members of "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" have determined that the FDR data provided by the NTSB indicates that the cockpit door was NOT opened during the entire flight. That is NOT unusual, as the door normally remains closed during flight, except that it WOULD indicate that Flight 77 was NOT hijacked. Secondly, and you need to get this through your thick skull, the fact is that the flight data recorder ONLY records data while the engines are running. Once the plane lands and the engines are shutdown between flights, the flight data recorder STOPS recording, so the fact that ALL of the flights recorded on the FDR indicate the door was closed is NOT unusual AT ALL, in fact it is to be expected. This is a false k00ksite claim. You engage in posting images with deceptive text in an effort to "debunk" what is reported here. YOU are the k00kaburger here bud, not any of the pilots at the Pilots for 9/11 Truth website. The facts are, no evidence is reported on crash-damaged equipment, of doors opening and closing for Flight 77, or of 40 hours and 11 flights previous to it. Which does not equal doors did not open or close at all. The FDR uses a MEMORY CHIP, and it was NOT "crash-damaged", in fact the NTSB itself reports that the FDR was working properly. Instead of acknowledging that error you shift the discussion to quibbling over voice reporters vs. flight data recorders, even though both were damaged and found at the same time, and neither showed any information about cabin doors to make your case. Again, you attempt to muddy the water and claim the damaged cockpit voice recorder TAPE is actually the UNDAMAGED solid state FLIGHT DATA RECORDER MEMORY MODULE, where the voice recorder simply records conversations in the cockpit onto tape, the FDR records AIRCRAFT PARAMETERS onto a memory module, and is contained in a crash proof box. The BOX which CONTAINED the memory module had impact, smoke, and fire damage, but the MEMORY MODULE itself was intact and functional.
You originally made the claim, quoting a half-baked Six Percenter k00ksite, that data shows Flight 77 cabin doors weren't opened or closed at all during its flight. I rebutted that by showing flight reports citing unavailability of any information whatsoever about the cabin doors, which isn't the same as data that does exist and accurately shows the workings or non workings of cabin doors. All your subsequent statements are attempts to evade acknowleging that in fact you have no basis to make your claims of supporting evidence for doors not opening. You are of course free to cite your usual bogeyman of eebil gubmint conspiracies and personal asides as part of your SOP smokescreen.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You originally made the claim, quoting a half-baked Six Percenter k00ksite, that data shows Flight 77 cabin doors weren't opened or closed at all during its flight. I have no idea what you mean by 6-percenter kooksite, other than the sources YOU use to base your claims. The individuals who operate the Pilots for 9/11 Truth website are aviation experts and airline pilots with decades of experience flying commerical aircraft. YOU are the KOOK, not them. The NTSB data indicates that the COCKPIT DOOR was NOT OPENED during Flight 77's entire flight leading to the Pentagon on 9/11, that is true. I rebutted that by showing flight reports citing unavailability of any information whatsoever about the cabin doors, which isn't the same as data that does exist and accurately shows the workings or non workings of cabin doors. Cockpit door status IS collected on 757's, and IS a valid parameter in regards to the Boing technical documentation. The door is SUPPOSED to be CLOSED during flight, which the FDR indicates IS in fact the case. All your subsequent statements are attempts to evade acknowleging that in fact you have no basis to make your claims of supporting evidence for doors not opening. You are of course free to cite your usual bogeyman of eebil gubmint conspiracies and personal asides as part of your SOP smokescreen You are a shillster, that much is obvious. C'mon, posting pictures of a damaged COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER and trying pass it off as the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER? Are you some low level worker they found on a H1-B visa or something?
Yes. I'd like to see more info on their altimeter research.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
False enough to be an outright lie after you've been pointed to the supporting reports 3 different times. The NTSB report says there is "NO DATA AVAILABLE" for the cockpit doors or for 40 hours and 11 flights before the 911 flight 75. Again. Both black boxes were recovered the same place, same time, seriously damaged. Neither shows any evidence of cockpit activities. As in zero evidence. You can't use the data from either device to claim the NTSB says the doors didn't open. The NTSB says they don't have that data from either device, not that they have it, but it shows no activity. CVR, FDR, or a combination are equally unable to support your k00kclaims.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The NTSB report says there is "NO DATA AVAILABLE" for the cockpit doors or for 40 hours and 11 flights before the 911 flight 75. WRONG. The NTSB report states that the data has not been confirmed, which is not the same as "NO DATA AVAILABLE". The data set contains the FLT DECK DOOR parameter, and it is either 0 for closed or 1 for open. It was 0 for each 4- second interval that was recorded. So YOU ARE A LIAR.
The cockpit voice recorder WAS damaged and unusable. The BOX THAT CONTAINED the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER was damaged, but the MEMORY MODULE stored WITHIN the BOX was NOT damaged. The data within the MEMORY MODULE was PRESENTED by the NTSB as EVIDENCE of the aircraft's flight data and parameters.
You are a KOOK and a LIAR, and it's quite obvious that you're spewing whatever bullshit you can dream up.
The aircraft would not have taken off if the FDR wasn't recording that parameter correctly. The door is SUPPOSED to be closed during flight, and that IS what the data indicates, where the "FLT DECK DOOR" parameter in the data set provided by the NTSB DOES indicate a CLOSED (0) state. In fact, it would be UNUSUAL for the status to indicate the door had been opened on ANY of the previous flights since the door is SUPPOSED to stay closed during flight, and the recorder ONLY records the door state (along with ANY other parameter) while the engines are running, not while the plane's engines are shut down which would be the case between flights.
Again, you are being deceptive here as you are trying to bend the truth and say that the FDR recorded data over the PREVIOUS 40 hours, where that is a LIE. The FDR recorded the previous 40 hours of FLIGHT TIME, not ACTUAL TIME. The cockpit door is SUPPOSED to remain closed during flight, and that is EXACTLY what the NTSB data set indicates.
The NTSB listed specific exclusions from the data and parameters. Two exclusions listed - there are others in addition - are any data whatsoever about either cabin door movement, or about cabin conversations. On reports that you youself cut, pasted, and posted. Without comprehending. Furthermore a Flight 11 stewardess did make a call after the hijackers entered the cabin and took over, giving names, seat numers, and descriptions of the attackers. The calls were recorded and transcripts are available. Yet another disbunking of the "cabin doors were never opened" lie. You're illiterate.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The NTSB listed specific exclusions from the data and parameters. Did you truly think they would state that the parameter is confirmed, being that it would indicate the hijacking never took place? The plane wouldn't have taken off if the sensor wasn't working, that is a safety measure programmed into the aircraft flight computers, where if there's a fault with the flight data recorder or any of its sensors, the aircraft will not be able to takeoff. Two exclusions listed - there are others in addition - are any data whatsoever about either cabin door movement, or about cabin conversations. As far as your habit of mixing apples with oranges, the cockpit voice recorder tape being damaged has nothing to do with the digital information stored on the flight recorder's memory module. It's obvious you're tap dancing here, sorry, but I'm not that easily amused or distracted. Furthermore a Flight 11 stewardess did make a call after the hijackers entered the cabin and took over, giving names, seat numers, and descriptions of the attackers. The calls were recorded and transcripts are available. Yet another disbunking of the "cabin doors were never opened" lie. The flight data indicates the door was NOT opened, and not only is the cockpit door opened by a switch INSIDE the cockpit, and the pilot a burly Navy vet who flew fighter jets in the Navy who would NOT have been overcome by a scrawny arab with a box cutter, and the fact that cell phone calls were next to impossible from an aircraft at cruising altitude in 2001, the fact remains that the supposed "hijacker", Hani Hanjour, couldn't even fly a Cessna, never mind a large heavy multi-engine jet. Even the FBI has indicated that Ted Olzon's wife never spoke to her husband on her cellphone during the flight. It's obvious that YOU are perpetrating a lie, and are part of the 9/11 coverup. You are in fact a traitor to this nation.
Why did you present the image of the cockpit voice recorder with a blurb stating the recorder was damaged and unusable, where we are talking about the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER, which was NOT damaged and unusable? Why did you claim that the data shows that the door was not opened for 40 HOURS, where the truth is that the data indicates that the door was not opened for the previous 40 FLIGHT HOURS, ie. during flight, where the door opening BETWEEN FLIGHTS would NOT be recorded since the ENGINES WOULD BE SHUT DOWN and the flight data recorder would be TURNED OFF? Why do you keep referring to "cabin movement" not being recorded for 11 flights, where the FDR does NOT record "cabin movement", it simply records whether the cockpit door was opened or closed, amongst other flight and aircraft parameters?
Doesn't disbunk or debunk anything. In addition to all of the questions about whether or not said phone calls were even possible as alleged, there's also the question of why the alleged recorded calls suggest said planes were seemingly quieter as to engine-noise than any other commercial planes in the entire world.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
A lie. The NTSB flight data report says there is no information available for cabin doors on Flight 175 or 11 other flights going back 40 hours. Furthermore a stewardess made a phone call during the hijacking after the hijackers entered the cabin and took over, giving names, seat numbers, physical descriptions, and summaries of conditions and injuries to passengers and crew. Another lie. There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 175, and 77 logged and listed. Some of the receivers of these calls presumed they were from cell phones when they actually were actually from on board satellite phones. Wow, what evidence of a conspiracy, calling a satellite phone a cell phone when you get incoming. Ted Olson's wife calling her husband is one such logged call. Her husband says she called collect, presumably from a satellite phone he first identified as a cell phone - which could still make calls although with less than 100% service. According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[119] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[117] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9/11 COMMISSIONERS Co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton:... "The CIA and the White House obstructed our investigation". Co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said:... "The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people." Co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations. 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton:... "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right, the Commission was set up to fail, the people should keep asking questions about 9/11, the 9/11 debate should continue." 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey:... "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version, we didn't have access." 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer:... "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting." 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up". 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman:... “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest". Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission John Farmer who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry:... "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
You: A lie. The NTSB flight data report says there is no information available for cabin doors on Flight 75 or 11 other flights going back 40 hours. You are a pathological liar. The NTSB provided the complete data set on a CD to the researcher who requested it via a FOIA request. There is no indication that the data is invalid, the data field is present in the data, and the parameter indicates the expected value for normal flight conditions. Although they state in their own analysis that they cannot confirm the validity of that data field, there is no explanation provided. Well no fucking shit Sherlock, because if they DID confirm it as valid, then it would reveal that the hijacking never occured.
BTW genius, it is Flight 77 that we are talking about here, not Flight 75, which has nothing to do with 9/11. The American Airlines plane which is alleged to have impacted the Pentagon on 9/11 is Flight 77, and it is that plane's flight data recorder we are talking about. The flight data from Flight 77 provided by the NTSB contains a data field called "FLT DECK DOOR" which reflects the open/close state of the cockpit door, or "flight deck door". The field is a valid field for the 757 aircraft in question, and is collected every 4 seconds while the flight recorder is in operation. They DO NOT STATE that the "information is unavailable", they state they cannot confirm the validity of the data field, for obvious reasons I might add. Again, the 11 other flights would NORMALLY indicate a "closed" status, just like the data reflects for Flight 77, as the door is SUPPOSED to be kept closed during flight. The 40 hours is 40 hours FLIGHT TIME, and NOT the time spent on the ground between flights, so your allusion to "40 hours" is deceptive at best since it is NOT 40 hours real time, but 40 hours FLIGHT TIME.
There were NO in-flight phones (or satellite phones) on Flight 77.
OK.... since the terrorists didn't pirate the jet ... what happened to all the passengers and crew?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Are you making this shit up as you go? Again, there WAS no Flight 75. Post your source, since it's obvious you have NO clue as to what you're talking about.
You crack me up. The evidence is in plain view and you have to go through contortions, lies, and misrepresentations that the many times contradicted "Official Conspiracy Theory™" is somehow validated by your logical shenanigans. I think you make plain from your explosion and melt down that what you can't tolerate is anyone who can look at the totality of the evidence and draw the logical conclusion 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. As for the rest of your long winded nervous breakdown it is wholly unworthy of any further attention. Have a nice day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Don't know, but that doesn't change the fact the data indicates that Flight 77 couldn't have been hijacked, since the cockpit door wasn't opened during flight. I could list an infinite number of possibilies as to what might have happened to the passengers and crew, but the only ones who REALLY know are the ones who pulled it off. One possibility is that the crew and passengers were poisoned to death with nerve gas by way of the ventillation system, and the plane was taken over by remote control.
Are you making this shit up as you go? Again, there WAS no Flight 75. Post your source, since it's obvious you have NO clue as to what you're talking about. B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So let us place a common denominator right here about who "pulled it off." You act as though they are still alive based upon the manner of your specific point. Who are they, wishing to murder so many?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You: Another lie. At the Moussaoui trial, the fact that there was only 1 call to Ted Olson from his wife that lasted 0 seconds was presented. People who have the power to pull the strings at the highest levels of government, not just here in the US, but multi-nationaly.
Who was behind the Iraq war, a war that had no basis or foundation, a war that need not have been fought.
It's obvious our AGitprop friend is getting highly flustered about all this.
Of course, you are suggesting that there is absolutely no way terrorists from foreign countries, planned this event.... correct?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
No, I'm not saying that. Those responsible could very well be from foreign countries, but they are not planning these things from caves in Afghanistan, but rather mountain retreats in the Rockies, conventions in European hotels, and various boardrooms across the globe.
It's obvious our AGitprop friend is getting highly flustered about all this. It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That has been a total flop; a failed mission from before one soldier landed in Iraq. These other 9/11 issues were successful, in that, the plans worked with a large number of casualties and deaths and property damage. If the same planning occurred about 9/11 as you believe occurred with Iraq.... I would have expected at least one WMD found and the US pumping oil today out of Iraq and piped into Europe.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
They must have lowered their standards after the various purges at sites across the net where people once could openly discuss matters such as this, such as FR and LP. That and/or they're just out of practice.
The purpose was to engage the US into an unwinnable "war", villainize the US to those who were once either allies or indifferent, all to create a HUGE outpouring of US taxpayer money into the pockets of those with the right connections. The more "terrorists" they create, the longer the "war on terror" can last. Iraq was also desired since it was geographically strategic for future plans against Iran, and as a base of US operations in future Middle Eastern conflicts. There was no real need for any "WMD" to have been found. Has Congress impeached or indicted anyone over it yet? It'll never happen. As far as Iraq's oil, can you tell me where it IS going these days?
They must have lowered their standards after the various purges at sites across the net where people once could openly discuss matters such as this, such as FR and LP. That and/or they're just out of practice. One thing I have noticed is that there is now a proliferation of anti-truth websites. They still have to lie, omit, and misrepresent to try and uphold the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" but they have gotten better at it. I have to admit I'm rusty - I have not really had many shills to pick on since I got the heave-ho at El Pee. Also a lot of my old links are no longer good.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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These contracts are the first of what is expected to be a wave of oil-field-service related work let by BP, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell PLC, Eni, Lukoil OAO and China National Petroleum Corp. over the next few months. The companies have been awarded contracts to increase production at separate fields. Energy analysts at Sanford C. Bernstein recently wrote that developing seven major Iraq fields, including Rumaila and Zubair, would require $102 billion in investment. But they said they were "skeptical" all of the plans would be carried out. The development of so many enormous projects-most clustered within 50 miles of each other-will create an enormous demand for workers, engineers and drilling rigs. It will also require the construction of a giant infrastructure build out, including roads, ports, oil export facilities and water plants. Raising oil production so quickly in such a small area may prove too demanding. Recently, it took Saudi Arabia nearly five years to increase its crude oil production capacity by two million barrels a day-without overriding concerns about political stability or security, notes energy consultants IHS CERA. A new analysis by the consultants say Iraq's plan to increase production is "extraordinarily ambitious" and predicted an increase of just less than two million barrels of oil a day by 2015. "It will be incredibly complicated to pull this off," says Matt Simmons, a Houston investment banker. Nonetheless, even a few million barrels a day of crude oil production capacity could have an enormous impact. The growth of Iraqi oil production and exports will play a "decisive role in shaping global oil markets," says Fatih Birol, chief economist of the Paris-based International Energy Agency, a watchdog for industrialized nations. Without the boost in Iraqi production, Mr. Birol worries that global oil production over the next five years will have trouble pumping out enough barrels to match expected demand from China, India and the Middle East. Tight supplies amid growing Chinese demand sent oil prices soaring close to $150 a barrel in 2008. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 75, and 77 logged and listed...Again, there WAS no Flight 75. No, there was a Flight "175" that had the 30+ calls recorded. I said "75" twice, have now corrected it in red, but afterwards posted a link that refers correctly to Flight "175." So somehow saying "75" instead of "175" is supposed to be some huge piece of evidence. Right, loser.
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you're trying to pass off the damaged cockpit voice recorder from Flight 77 as the flight data recorder.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#43. To: FormerLurker (#41)
(Edited)
Aircraft computer won't allow the aircraft to takeoff unless the flight data recorder is working properly and the sensors are all functional.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#44. To: AGAviator, turtle, buckeroo, X-15, Original_Intent, christine, ALL (#42)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#46. To: AGAviator (#45)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker (#1)
Anybody ever hear of this before?
#48. To: FormerLurker (#46)
(Edited)
The NTSB data indicates that the COCKPIT DOOR was NOT OPENED during Flight 77's entire flight leading to the Pentagon on 9/11, that is true.
C'mon, posting pictures of a damaged COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER and trying pass it off as the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#49. To: AGAviator (#48)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: AGAviator (#48)
Neither shows any evidence of cockpit activities. As in zero evidence.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: AGAviator (#48)
CVR, FDR, or a combination are equally unable to support your k00kclaims.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: AGAviator, ALL (#18)
The Flight Data Recorder failed to record certain parameters with certainty. Among the uncertain parameters was the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: AGAviator, ALL (#18)
not only did not indicate any movement of Flight 75's cabin door on September 11, it also did not show any movement for 40 hours and 11 flights prior to Flight 75 on September 11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: FormerLurker (#50)
The data within the MEMORY MODULE was PRESENTED by the NTSB as EVIDENCE of the aircraft's flight data and parameters.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#55. To: AGAviator (#54)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: AGAviator (#54)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: AGAviator (#54)
(Edited)
a Flight 11 stewardess did make a call after the hijackers entered the cabin and took over, giving names, seat numers, and descriptions of the attackers. The calls were recorded and transcripts are available. Yet another disbunking of the "cabin doors were never opened" lie.
#58. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#55)
(Edited)
The flight data indicates the door was NOT opened, and not only is the cockpit door opened
Even the FBI has indicated that Ted Olzon's wife never spoke to her husband on her cellphone during the flight.
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report).
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#59. To: AGAviator (#58)
According to the 9/11 Commission Report
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: AGAviator (#58)
Me: The flight data indicates the door was NOT opened, and not only is the cockpit door opened
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: AGAviator (#58)
The NTSB flight data report says there is no information available for cabin doors on Flight 75 or 11 other flights going back 40 hours.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: AGAviator (#58)
Some of the receivers of these calls presumed they were from cell phones when they actually were actually from on board satellite phones. Wow, what evidence of a conspiracy, calling a satellite phone a cell phone when you get incoming.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#60)
To AGAviator: You are a pathological liar.
#64. To: AGAviator (#58)
There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 75, and 77 logged and listed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: AGAviator (#39)
#66. To: buckeroo (#63)
OK.... since the terrorists didn't pirate the jet ... what happened to all the passengers and crew?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#64)
There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 75, and 77 logged and listed.
#68. To: FormerLurker (#66)
I could list an infinite number of possibilies as to what might have happened to the passengers and crew, but the only ones who REALLY know are the ones who pulled it off.
#69. To: AGAviator (#58)
Me: Even the FBI has indicated that Ted Olzon's wife never spoke to her husband on her cellphone during the flight.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: buckeroo (#68)
So let us place a common denominator right here about who "pulled it off."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: buckeroo (#68)
Who are they, wishing to murder so many?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: Original_Intent (#67)
B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker (#70)
People who have the power to pull the strings at the highest levels of government, not just here in the US, but multi-nationaly.
#74. To: buckeroo (#73)
Of course, you are suggesting that there is absolutely no way terrorists from foreign countries, planned this event.... correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
#76. To: FormerLurker (#71)
Who was behind the Iraq war, a war that had no basis or foundation, a war that need not have been fought.
#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: buckeroo (#76)
(Edited)
If the same planning occurred about 9/11 as you believe occurred with Iraq.... I would have expected at least one WMD found and the US pumping oil today out of Iraq and piped into Europe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: FormerLurker (#77)
It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
#80. To: FormerLurker (#78)
As far as Iraq's oil, can you tell me where it IS going these days?
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#81. To: FormerLurker (#64)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#82. To: FormerLurker (#31)
From what the researchers who have looked over the data have found, the flight data indicates the plane couldn't have hit the light poles since the aircraft would have been too high to do so,
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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