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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#644. To: FormerLurker (#641)
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It is based on the vintage of 757 aircraft as a -1, -2 or -3. Only the -3 (after 1997) were equipped with the sensor as operational. There are no records to show that AMAFLT77 was ever upgraded [edit: hotlink to FAA: (Flight 77 = N644AA 2460 Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991) Sorry... your thread is closed other than mopup.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
what part of verified don't you people of the liar movement understand bucky?
Nope, you keep avoiding and evading my post about what the people who built the towers, or engineered them, had to say about plane crashes and fires, etc. But I can understand that. The official agitprop falls apart when faced with that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Who cares about what anyone says now? All the original plans were destroyed in the three buildings. Apparently there is an old relic of a ship just discovered and other debris but the records are gone, pal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You are really dumb. I explained this to you already. You can't think, you only parrot idiots that YOU think make you look smart. Around here, you only look like a moron.
God is always good!
uh huh. Just about what I expected. Either no response at all or just more bs. Of course the plans for the buildings were not destroyed in the buildings. Do you believe that there are no copies of them in the architects and engineers offices and in the City's planning department, etc.?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Now, you have to prove that position. how much time do you need? BTW, ALL the plans were in BLDG7.... with copies in the others. I guess you can goto the hall of records in NYC.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You know what? You are nothing, a nobody, a minimum wage sucker. Go suck the government's tit you good for nothing asshole. You know nothing about physics, you just parrot the stooges working for the government. When you die, and you will die, look up and see those killed by your damn bosses. They won't be where you are, and you will regret your choices in this life forever.
God is always good!
I don't have to go to NYC to know that all the plans for two of the tallest buildings in the world were not all stored in the same location. Were all the engineers and architects offices in 7?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The original construction is all done, years ago. What does it matter where any of the technical people are now? The documented plans are gone.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
is that why you attack any and all who refuse to buy the government talking points you and the rest of the liar movement post. calling what you do fact based research is a hoot, all hail the official fairy tale yes, fact based hardly.
I don't want to read BS and tap dancing, I want you to provide some figures and hard numbers. that would require fact-based research and ag and the rest of his pals of the liar movement are factaphobics.
AG ... these are some tough folks. And I think you hold up well taking some of the stuff. Let's get back on the earlier threads about the twin towers.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I attack liars who deny the obvious while pushing the exotic, unproven, and unprovable. When an aircraft traveling over 400 mph hits a building, creates a huge gash and starts uncontrolled fires, then the building collapses within a couple hours, that's what I call "obvious" as far as causes go.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bucky you and the rest of the liar movement never cared about the truth all you ever cared about is echoing the fabrications in the government supplied talking points aka the official conspiracy theory as told by gwbush and company.
Tell me how a building can be flexible enough to dissipate a gigajoule of energy by moving in the direction of a hit, then restoring its centerline by itself, but then be inflexible enough to supply a place where a falling and rotating object can push against, so the top of the rotating piece comes to rest outside the building footprint. You can't have both at the same time. The building is either flexible and dissipates energy but can't provide a rigid platform, or rigid in which case a high impact crash will destroy or seriously damage the structure because it doesn't have enough give. You've trashed your own arguments and are too stupid to know it. The extent of your physics knowledge, internet jerkwad.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if that were true you'd be whopping up on yourself with a vengence
I was looking for a video on youtube and came across a comment from a fellow. It might shed some light onto the subject. # rupertmja1 1 month ago Or, maybe theŒ79; plane that crashed en-route was headed elsewhere, meaning, maybe there was/is another building out there laced with TNT. A lot of hypothetical, but we do live in crazy times do we not. As far as I can see, no one has come up with this theory. # rupertmja1 1 month ago Does no one think like me? Think about this. WTC7 fell in the afternoon. If it was dynamited, and it certainly seems so to me, why/ My theory is that the plane that crashed in a field ... think ... it crashed en route ... so ... en route to where. Methinks WTC7. If it hit WTC7 it too could have been blown up in the morning on schedule along with WTC1 and 2. But it wasn't hit - which must haveŒ79; given the 'planners' a big dilemma of leaving a building full of TNT out there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1BLRpiRVnY
You're hot air and nothing else, windbag.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which is it? You're the one demanding people be your research librarian and waste their time looking up stuff you will then promptly ignore. FL gave you the link. Do your own effing research for your ad hominem attacks. he and the rest of the liar movement have been handed the government BS talking points for so long now that they are like a three generation welfare household; they are entitled to free hand outs with no effort from themselves required.
ag of the liar movement you'd be a lying sack of turds if not for the fact you are but a kernel of corn in said turds
liar movement. opposite of truth. That's good.
Hey LiaRk00k, what was the collapse time for either WTC tower?
Tell me what happens to kinetic energy in an inelastic collision.
It's obvious that the value would indicate the towers fell at close to free fall speed, that's why he WON'T post it.
Says who, you and you alone?
Hey LIAR_genius, what percentage of the plane was left intact after the impact? It was torn to shreds, and THAT is where most of that energy was dissipated.
Look at my links, fukwit. And stop drooling over Rosie! PWNED!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post the value shit for brains.
now you've gone and made bucky cry like a little school girl, again!
Still waiting for you to post information concerning the data fields recorded on Flight 77's data recorder. Show us the FAA specifications for which data fields are collected, and tie that to the rulings on required upgrades.
I bet he's hitting the bottle hard tonight.
that would require actions by bucky of the liar movement and the liar movement members are conditioned to being hand fed the official fairy tale talking points and refuse to make one iota of effort to obtain information and most certainly will not attempt to acquire information that could/would in any wise show what a patent falsehood the official conspiracy theory is.
Yeah and wait 2-3 years for a response. Would you hold your breath? the liar movement members have more excuses than Doans has pills of the three retards of the liar movement on this web site only turtle has the sense to hide in his shell. bucky's posts are akin to whiny school girl drivel who keeps getting her butt handed to her in a did to did not contest.
Post the value shit for brains. Post it yourself, fukwit. Can you listen to a link and read postings on the screen? You've been punked about free fall vs. real observed times with incontrovertible timed video evidence. Now you're trying to divert the subject, like the loser you'll always be.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the liar movement members hate the truth, they are indeed factaphobics.
Ok, so you CAN'T or WON'T post the collapse time that your own video claims is correct. Say the claimed 15 second collapse time is true. Being that free fall would be 9 seconds, you're saying that it took 6 seconds to break, crush, pulverize, and bring down close to 80 stories of undamaged hardened steel core columns, exterior columns, and reinforced concrete floors supported by steel trusses. Uh huh. Have you bought the Brooklyn Bridge as well?
Not incontrovertible tard, but even using your video's value, which you apparently were too stupid to figure out by watching, since you needed me to tell you what it was, couldn't happen without controlled demolition.
I'M the one trying to divert the subject? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You just couldn't answer a VERY simple question by typing in a number, instead you found it necessary to say LOOKIE HERE AT MY COOL VIDEO. What an ass.
you and I and everyone else seeking the truth of 9-11 know that. of the three members of the liar movement on this site only turtle has the sense bail ag and bucky seem to never tire of having their collective butts handed to them and a good handing you have given them over these past few days. you have how we used to say slapped them like a red headed step child.
Then it wasn't free fall, period. So once again you change the subject looking for another angle to try to confuse and obfuscate with. Liar and loser.
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#645. To: buckeroo (#490)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#646. To: buckeroo (#644)
Sorry... your thread is closed other than mopup.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#647. To: James Deffenbach (#646)
you keep avoiding and evading my post about what the people who built the towers, or engineered them, had to say about plane crashes and fires, etc.
#648. To: AGAviator (#643)
And the falling section - rotating or not - will also remain within the base footprint.
#649. To: buckeroo (#647)
Who cares about what anyone says now? All the original plans were destroyed in the three buildings. Apparently there is an old relic of a ship just discovered and other debris but the records are gone, pal.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#650. To: James Deffenbach (#649)
Of course the plans for the buildings were not destroyed in the buildings.
#651. To: AGAviator (#643)
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#652. To: buckeroo (#650)
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I guess you can goto the hall of records in NYC.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#653. To: James Deffenbach (#652)
Were all the engineers and architects offices in 7?
#654. To: AGAviator (#518)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#655. To: FormerLurker (#526)
How long did it take the top of the towers to impact the ground, versus how long it would take for an object to drop through thin air from the same height?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#656. To: AAGAviator, all (#653)
#657. To: IRTorqued (#654)
is that why you attack any and all who refuse to buy the government talking points
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#658. To: buckeroo (#545)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#659. To: RickyJ (#651)
You know nothing about physics,
Go suck the government's tit you good for nothing asshole. You know nothing about physics, you just parrot the stooges working for the government
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#660. To: AGAviator (#657)
I attack liars who deny the obvious while pushing the exotic, unproven, and unprovable.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#661. To: James Deffenbach, christine, jethro tull, cynicom, buckeroo, ricky J, axxiom, former lurker, all (#652)
#662. To: IRTorqued (#660)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#663. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#557)
You're being evasive buckie. I'll bet you looked and found that the Argumentum Ad Hominem you were trying to set up is a loser. Of course it is always a loser to anyone who understands logic. The data is true, not true, or uncertain in three state logic.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#664. To: AGAviator (#662)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#665. To: IRTorqued (#663)
#666. To: AGAviator (#643)
Tw00ferk00ks rebut their own half-baked physics!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#667. To: AGAviator (#659)
The extent of your physics knowledge, internet jerkwad.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#668. To: IRTorqued (#655)
that would require fact-based research and ag and the rest of his pals of the liar movement are factaphobics.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#669. To: buckeroo (#644)
It is based on the vintage of 757 aircraft as a -1, -2 or -3. Only the -3 (after 1997) were equipped with the sensor as operational.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#670. To: AGAviator (#643)
Tw00fers try to explain away the release of several gigajoules of aircraft crash energy by touting the flexibility of the Twin Towers and saying this flexibility allows the crash energy to dissipate harmlessly.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#671. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#666)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#672. To: AGAviator (#671)
Look at my links, fukwit. And stop drooling over Rosie!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#673. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#578)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#674. To: buckeroo (#644)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#675. To: IRTorqued (#673)
now you've gone and made bucky cry like a little school girl, again!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#676. To: FormerLurker (#602)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#677. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#609)
File your own fucking FOIA request and get your own copy of the CD then.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#678. To: FormerLurker (#672)
Look at my links, fukwit. And stop drooling over Rosie!
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#679. To: A K A Stone (#665)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#680. To: AGAviator (#671)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#681. To: AGAviator (#678)
You've been punked about free fall vs. real observed times with incontrovertible timed video evidence.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#682. To: AGAviator (#678)
Now you're trying to divert the subject, like the loser you'll always be.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#683. To: FormerLurker (#668)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#684. To: FormerLurker (#680)
Say the claimed 15 second collapse time is true. Being that free fall would be 9 seconds.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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