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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#683. To: FormerLurker (#668)
you and I and everyone else seeking the truth of 9-11 know that. of the three members of the liar movement on this site only turtle has the sense bail ag and bucky seem to never tire of having their collective butts handed to them and a good handing you have given them over these past few days. you have how we used to say slapped them like a red headed step child.
Then it wasn't free fall, period. So once again you change the subject looking for another angle to try to confuse and obfuscate with. Liar and loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's why you've persuaded less people over 8 years than believe in alien abductions, maroon. BHAHAHAHAHA!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well he has been clubbed like a baby seal about a hundred times if not more on this thread alone, he'll need something to take the edge off.
Strange, the REAL seismic data doesn't agree with your "expert" interpretation... Speak for yourself and your LIAR_MOVEMENT "experts".
I don't do dictation from a brainless fukwit prima donna. You'll get my info the way I decide to present it, not the way you demand it by stomping your feet. You're ignorant of basic facts, like a large fast moving plane crashing into a building at 400+ mph makes that building collapse, and are so confused about physics you allege two contradictory and mutually exclusive theories of strutural elasticity at the same time.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strange you want to put up a chart to obfuscate and deny what's plain as day on a video showing both Tower collapses from start to finish and the number of elapsed seconds of time. Actually not strange. You throw in irrrelevant and tangential information every time you have any message at all.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so that is the best you factaphobics can muster. if you could physically bob and weave like you have on the subject of the rate of fall of the WTC north and south towers you'd be a contender. the oxygen depredation you've suffered from having your head up your back side has taken a major toll.
Anybody can claim any time they want on YouTube. Now if a credible university were to have analyzed frame by frame the actual collapse from start to finish, and accounted for the cadence of the video tape itself, then it would be credible. Your LIAR_movement pal's analysis doesn't hold any weight, especially when he concocts seismic data which doesn't agree with Columbia University's data.
Oh wait, was that seismic data he was trying to show or just some waves on an oscilloscope? Hell, I could rig up a scope and take a video of it, making it show whatever I wanted it to show. EPIC FAIL.
It sure don't look like "pancakes" had anything to do with what happened to the WTC towers.. But I bet you do dick.
Regardless of the extra few seconds of collapse time in terms of free fall velocity, the towers surely don't look like anything "pancaked", they look like they were pulverized to dust from top to bottom...
BTW, if you feel that your source on YouTube is a "brainless fukwit prima donna", why did you bother posting his video?
it's liar movement bob and weave, post any kind of drivel to avoid the truth. now it seems even bucky has bowed out, passed out whatever, leaving ag the lone defender of the official fairy tale.
More changing the subject. You have been proven wrong on free fall. Deal with it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More trash talk. Zero proof. Loser. Psychotic.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excuse me? I said that the towers fell at CLOSE to free fall speed, YOU are the one that kept insisting that people were saying that they fell at free fall speed, where nobody here ever said they did.
YOU changed the subject LONG ago here, by bringing up EVERY damn thing you could think of OTHER than the subject of this thread. I'm simply responding to your lies and false claims.
That's what the manual says to do maybe...
What it comes down to cupcake is the fact that the towers did NOT pancake as you claim, and they were brought down with controlled demolition.
A dodge and an excuse a minute. Free fall is supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy. Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the term I used is near freefall speed. The problem with the Septics is that they insist upon distorting what other people say. It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
When all else fails, accuse the opposite side of whatever you're guilty of, I'm sure it's in that manual somewhere..
Read the fucking thread from start to finish moron, NOBODY claimed the towers fell at free fall speed, they fell at CLOSE TO or NEAR free fall speeds.
Tell your phony story to people who believe in UFO abductions. Nobody else is going to give a $hit.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes you are a psychotic loser if there was even an iota of truth to the official fairy tale there would be an investigation that answered all the questions unlike the farce baalzabush had to be dragged into kicking and screaming where not only were questions not answered entire issues like the collapse of WTC 7 were ignored completely.
You're own video claims 15 seconds, where 9 seconds is free fall speed. 15 seconds to totally turn 110 floors of concrete and steel to dust, and you think that's normal, eh?
The only phony story here is that which spins from your fingers. You are full of insults and not much else. You have ZERO in the way of intelligent discussion, and close to zero in the way of facts, and those you HAVE brought up are either misrepresented or outright lies.
Read my question. Do you have the evidence of controlled demolition from free fall collapse speeds, or don't you, weasely dissembler? State what it is if you claim it. Because everybody else thinks you're a fringe case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGLiar KNOWS what we said, he's just doing his standard twist and shout dance.
I've posted 5 times more links than you have, lying SOS. You just repeat zombielike slogans, deny everything else out of hand, and throw in word dumps at the end ,to try to conflate the issue even further.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ag of the liar movement is still suffering from the butt diddling the greys gave him the last time he went fish from that forgotten dock on some nameless bayou in mississippi.
Where's the evidence that CD's were done, if freefall speeds weren't actually achieved and recorded, shyster loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGLiar KNOWS what we said, he's just doing his standard twist and shout dance. C'mon baaaby let's do the twist. Another term for it, and not a complementary one, is "logic chopping" i.e., twisting the logic and facts to an invalid conclusion and then standing their beaming as if he had just invented the Edsel.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
EVERYONE on this forum believes you are a psychopath and a professional liar, except for your fellow idiots buck and turtle. READ what is written, not what you imagine in your delusional brain. YOU have posted a video which claims 15 seconds as a collapse time, which I have asked you to post in terms of a number for the past day or so, yet you found it necessary to post a video to provide that simple two digit value. Actual free fall time would be 9.22 seconds. So it's pretty obvious that even the exaggerated collapse time in the video which YOU posted is pretty damn close to the free fall velocity, which is what I had been saying all along. Refer to ANY post of mine on this thread or ANYWHERE else where I've ever said differently. So don't put words in my mouth asshole.
Do you speak English?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Looks like no proof prompts another word dump, loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what you've done is post a bunch of crap in an effort to dodge the reality that the official fairy tale is a lie because you are a liar movement member in shill standing.
That's probably why he keeps bringing up alien abductions, it's probably one of those hidden memories slipping into his thought process, if there IS any thought process going on...
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#684. To: FormerLurker (#680)
Say the claimed 15 second collapse time is true. Being that free fall would be 9 seconds.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#685. To: IRTorqued, buckeroo, turtle (#683)
you have how we used to say slapped them like a red headed step child.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#686. To: FormerLurker (#675)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#687. To: AGAviator (#684)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#688. To: AGAviator (#684)
Liar and loser.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#689. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#682)
You just couldn't answer a VERY simple question by typing in a number
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#690. To: FormerLurker (#687)
Strange, the REAL seismic data doesn't agree with your "expert" interpretation...
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#691. To: AGAviator, (#685)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#692. To: AGAviator (#690)
Strange you want to put up a chart to obfuscate and deny what's plain as day on a video showing both Tower collapses from start to finish and the number of elapsed seconds of time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#693. To: AGAviator (#690)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#694. To: AGAviator (#690)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#695. To: AGAviator (#689)
I don't do dictation from a brainless fukwit prima donna.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#696. To: AGAviator (#690)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#697. To: AGAviator (#689)
I don't do dictation from a brainless fukwit prima donna.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#698. To: FormerLurker (#697)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#699. To: FormerLurker (#696)
Regardless of the extra few seconds of collapse time in terms of free fall velocity,
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#700. To: IRTorqued (#691)
Tthe oxygen depredation you've suffered from having your head up your back side has taken a major toll.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#701. To: AGAviator (#699)
More changing the subject. You have been proven wrong on free fall. Deal with it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#702. To: AGAviator (#699)
More changing the subject.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#703. To: FormerLurker (#701)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#704. To: AGAviator (#700)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#705. To: FormerLurker (#701)
Said that the towers fell at CLOSE to free fall speed,
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#706. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#701)
#707. To: wudidiz (#703)
That's what the manual says to do maybe...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#708. To: AGAviator (#705)
Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#709. To: FormerLurker (#704)
What it comes down to cupcake is the fact that the towers did NOT pancake as you claim, and they were brought down with controlled demolition.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#710. To: AGAviator (#700)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#711. To: AGAviator (#705)
Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#712. To: AGAviator (#709)
Tell your phony story to people who believe in UFO abductions
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#713. To: FormerLurker (#708)
OBODY claimed the towers fell at free fall speed, they fell at CLOSE TO or NEAR free fall speeds.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#714. To: Original_Intent (#706)
It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#715. To: FormerLurker (#712)
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You have ZERO in the way of intelligent discussion, and close to zero in the way of facts, and those you HAVE brought up are either misrepresented or outright lies.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#716. To: FormerLurker (#709)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#717. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#706)
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The term I used is near freefall speed
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#718. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#714)
It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
#719. To: AGAviator (#713)
State what it is if you claim it. Because everybody else thinks you're a fringe case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#720. To: AGAviator (#717)
#721. To: Original_Intent (#718)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#722. To: AGAviator (#715)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#723. To: IRTorqued (#716)
ag of the liar movement is still suffering from the butt diddling the greys gave him the last time he went fish from that forgotten dock on some nameless bayou in mississippi.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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