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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#704. To: AGAviator (#700)
What it comes down to cupcake is the fact that the towers did NOT pancake as you claim, and they were brought down with controlled demolition.
A dodge and an excuse a minute. Free fall is supposed to be evidence of a conspiracy. Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the term I used is near freefall speed. The problem with the Septics is that they insist upon distorting what other people say. It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
When all else fails, accuse the opposite side of whatever you're guilty of, I'm sure it's in that manual somewhere..
Read the fucking thread from start to finish moron, NOBODY claimed the towers fell at free fall speed, they fell at CLOSE TO or NEAR free fall speeds.
Tell your phony story to people who believe in UFO abductions. Nobody else is going to give a $hit.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes you are a psychotic loser if there was even an iota of truth to the official fairy tale there would be an investigation that answered all the questions unlike the farce baalzabush had to be dragged into kicking and screaming where not only were questions not answered entire issues like the collapse of WTC 7 were ignored completely.
You're own video claims 15 seconds, where 9 seconds is free fall speed. 15 seconds to totally turn 110 floors of concrete and steel to dust, and you think that's normal, eh?
The only phony story here is that which spins from your fingers. You are full of insults and not much else. You have ZERO in the way of intelligent discussion, and close to zero in the way of facts, and those you HAVE brought up are either misrepresented or outright lies.
Read my question. Do you have the evidence of controlled demolition from free fall collapse speeds, or don't you, weasely dissembler? State what it is if you claim it. Because everybody else thinks you're a fringe case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGLiar KNOWS what we said, he's just doing his standard twist and shout dance.
I've posted 5 times more links than you have, lying SOS. You just repeat zombielike slogans, deny everything else out of hand, and throw in word dumps at the end ,to try to conflate the issue even further.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ag of the liar movement is still suffering from the butt diddling the greys gave him the last time he went fish from that forgotten dock on some nameless bayou in mississippi.
Where's the evidence that CD's were done, if freefall speeds weren't actually achieved and recorded, shyster loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGLiar KNOWS what we said, he's just doing his standard twist and shout dance. C'mon baaaby let's do the twist. Another term for it, and not a complementary one, is "logic chopping" i.e., twisting the logic and facts to an invalid conclusion and then standing their beaming as if he had just invented the Edsel.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
EVERYONE on this forum believes you are a psychopath and a professional liar, except for your fellow idiots buck and turtle. READ what is written, not what you imagine in your delusional brain. YOU have posted a video which claims 15 seconds as a collapse time, which I have asked you to post in terms of a number for the past day or so, yet you found it necessary to post a video to provide that simple two digit value. Actual free fall time would be 9.22 seconds. So it's pretty obvious that even the exaggerated collapse time in the video which YOU posted is pretty damn close to the free fall velocity, which is what I had been saying all along. Refer to ANY post of mine on this thread or ANYWHERE else where I've ever said differently. So don't put words in my mouth asshole.
Do you speak English?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Looks like no proof prompts another word dump, loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what you've done is post a bunch of crap in an effort to dodge the reality that the official fairy tale is a lie because you are a liar movement member in shill standing.
That's probably why he keeps bringing up alien abductions, it's probably one of those hidden memories slipping into his thought process, if there IS any thought process going on...
No $hithead, 15 seconds and 22 seconds are nowhere close to 9 seconds. They're an order of magnitude slower. You lose.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go stand on a street corner and talk that $hit, see how long you last, loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No $hithead, 15 seconds and 28 seconds are nowhere close to 9 seconds. They're an order of magnitude slower. Not to mention that black is the new "white". What a schlimiel.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
15 seconds IS very close to 9.22 if you're talking about the fact it only took 6 extra seconds to totally destroy a 110 story skyscraper than it would have taken a ball to fall through thin air. Your own video claims 22 seconds for the other collapse, not 28. You can't even get your disinfo straight.
And truth is a bad word in his world..
ah, who needs thought process when the have the official fairy tale talking points, the shame of it is ag of the liar movement shamelessly posts what any reasonable person knows to be lies. The alleged proof of controlled demolitions is free fall speeds. The prep work for controlled demolitions is supposed to make the extra seconds unnecessary, because the programmed explosion timings will get rid of the extra material before it ever gets in the way of a freefall collapse. Try to keep your lies consistent. Six extra seconds is totally unneeded according to controlled demolition theory. If you concede the extra seconds were needed, then you're conceding there was not adequate controlled demolitions prep work done.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what are you going to do, give me a mean look? the good thing is retards like you are few and far between and growing scarcer by the day.
Besides the lying and the name calling, you truly ARE an idiot. You have no clue as to what an "order of magnitude" is do you... Basically, it's the power of ten closest to the number in question. Since 9 or 15 or 22 are closer to 10 than 100, the order of magnitude is 10 raised to the first power, which is 101 or 10. An order of magnitude greater would be the next power of ten, 102, or 100. So no, they are ALL in the same magnitude, and 15 is NOT an "order of magnitude greater".
Says who, you? Post a link to anyone's post here who have said that.
And truth is a bad word in his world.. So it would seem. I can understand people disagreeing, and even doing so rationally and with grace. That also seems to be a foreign concept to him. It is an absolutist dictum: You must beeleef der Ohfishal Story. That ist an hoarder! While one can pick at some of the evidence there are too many easily observable datums which individually are in conflict with the "Official Conspiracy Theory™", but when they are taken as a group they paint a very damning picture. Methinks that AGGravator doth protest too much. He knows the "Official Fairy Tale®" is bogus, and I think half of what is driving him crazy is the knowledge that he is defending a lie and aiding murdering criminals who coldly murdered 3,000 people to create a political climate where they could then kill another 3 to 5 million. That has got to be an awful weight on one's conscience.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Do you really think it would have only taken 6 seconds to destroy a 110 story building WITHOUT explosives? That's the extra time it took from a ball falling through thin air to the 110 story building "collapsing".
"disintegrating" is more like it.
BTW slick, IF the towers HAD fallen at freefall speed then it WOULD be obvious to all but the most brain dead that explosives WERE used. A better method would be to delay the explosions slightly in order to avoid that problem.
"The building collapsed to dust..."
Myself, I don't think AGLiar HAS a conscience. In fact, he's probably pretty proud of himself in that he's complicit in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children.
That is one of the things that fueled speculation that a vibratory weapon of some sort, possibly some sort of Tesla Scalar device, was used to aid the collapse. Dust does less damage to other buildings than chunks of concrete. No one has ever really been able to explain why much of the building's concrete underwent that change. Sure there was a lot of energy set loose with the collapse, but while that would create some dust friction from colliding masses alone does not seem to account for it. Nor the pyroclastic clouds.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yep...
Were you able to watch the short video?
A pretty grim pronouncement. Still, even with a hardened criminal there is a conscience and a soul buried under that mountain of justifications as to why it is alright. Deep down inside a criminal knows he is a criminal, and however buried dirty hands make for uneasy sleep. That is why, I believe, a lot of criminals are either junkies or drunks. Look at "Pills" Limbaugh - despite all that money he is still not a happy man and has to have a drug habit to live with himself.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Wow. You can see the core columns still standing there before they disintegrate into dust. (At approx 1:11) Amazing. OI, you should watch this one if you can.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#705. To: FormerLurker (#701)
Said that the towers fell at CLOSE to free fall speed,
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#706. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#701)
#707. To: wudidiz (#703)
That's what the manual says to do maybe...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#708. To: AGAviator (#705)
Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#709. To: FormerLurker (#704)
What it comes down to cupcake is the fact that the towers did NOT pancake as you claim, and they were brought down with controlled demolition.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#710. To: AGAviator (#700)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#711. To: AGAviator (#705)
Do you have the evidence of free fall or don't you, weasely dissembler?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#712. To: AGAviator (#709)
Tell your phony story to people who believe in UFO abductions
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#713. To: FormerLurker (#708)
OBODY claimed the towers fell at free fall speed, they fell at CLOSE TO or NEAR free fall speeds.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#714. To: Original_Intent (#706)
It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#715. To: FormerLurker (#712)
(Edited)
You have ZERO in the way of intelligent discussion, and close to zero in the way of facts, and those you HAVE brought up are either misrepresented or outright lies.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#716. To: FormerLurker (#709)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#717. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#706)
(Edited)
The term I used is near freefall speed
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#718. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#714)
It is like you say one thing and then filtered through their biases it becomes something different.
#719. To: AGAviator (#713)
State what it is if you claim it. Because everybody else thinks you're a fringe case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#720. To: AGAviator (#717)
#721. To: Original_Intent (#718)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#722. To: AGAviator (#715)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#723. To: IRTorqued (#716)
ag of the liar movement is still suffering from the butt diddling the greys gave him the last time he went fish from that forgotten dock on some nameless bayou in mississippi.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#724. To: FormerLurker (#719)
(Edited)
So it's pretty obvious that even the exaggerated collapse time in the video which YOU posted is pretty damn close to the free fall velocity, which is what I had been saying all along
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#725. To: IRTorqued (#722)
effort to dodge the reality that the official fairy tale is a lie because you are a liar movement member in shill standing.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#726. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, all (#724)
So it's pretty obvious that even the exaggerated collapse time in the video which YOU posted is pretty damn close to the free fall velocity, which is what I had been saying all along
#727. To: AGAviator (#724)
No $hithead, 15 seconds and 28 seconds are nowhere close to 9 seconds. They're an order of magnitude slower.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#728. To: Original_Intent (#726)
Not to mention that black is the new "white".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#729. To: FormerLurker (#723)
but hey he says you lose so I guess that settles it, ag of the liar movement knows lose being the king of the losers his entire pathetic life.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#730. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#727)
15 seconds IS very close to 9.22 if you're talking about the fact it only took 6 extra seconds to totally destroy a 110 story skyscraper
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#731. To: AGAviator (#725)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#732. To: AGAviator (#724)
No $hithead, 15 seconds and 28 seconds are nowhere close to 9 seconds. They're an order of magnitude slower.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#733. To: AGAviator (#730)
The alleged proof of controlled demolitions is free fall speeds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#734. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, IRTorqued, all (#728)
Not to mention that black is the new "white".
#735. To: AGAviator (#730)
The prep work for controlled demolitions is supposed to make the extra seconds unnecessary, because the programmed explosion timings will get rid of the extra material before it ever gets in the way of a freefall collapse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#736. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#735)
"collapsing"
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#737. To: AGAviator (#730)
Try to keep your lies consistent. Six extra seconds is totally unneeded according to controlled demolition theory. If you concede the extra seconds were needed, then you're conceding there was not adequate controlled demolitions prep work done.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#738. To: All, *9-11* (#736)
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"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#739. To: Original_Intent (#734)
He knows the "Official Fairy Tale®" is bogus, and I think half of what is driving him crazy is the knowledge that he is defending a lie and aiding murdering criminals who coldly murdered 3,000 people to create a political climate where they could then kill another 3 to 5 million. That has got to be an awful weight on one's conscience.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#740. To: wudidiz (#738)
#741. To: wudidiz (#738)
"The building collapsed to dust..."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#742. To: Original_Intent (#740)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#743. To: FormerLurker (#739)
Myself, I don't think AGLiar HAS a conscience. In fact, he's probably pretty proud of himself in that he's complicit in the deaths of millions of innocent men, women, and children.
#744. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, *9-11* (#741)
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"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
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