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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#65. To: AGAviator (#39)
You crack me up. The evidence is in plain view and you have to go through contortions, lies, and misrepresentations that the many times contradicted "Official Conspiracy Theory™" is somehow validated by your logical shenanigans. I think you make plain from your explosion and melt down that what you can't tolerate is anyone who can look at the totality of the evidence and draw the logical conclusion 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. As for the rest of your long winded nervous breakdown it is wholly unworthy of any further attention. Have a nice day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Don't know, but that doesn't change the fact the data indicates that Flight 77 couldn't have been hijacked, since the cockpit door wasn't opened during flight. I could list an infinite number of possibilies as to what might have happened to the passengers and crew, but the only ones who REALLY know are the ones who pulled it off. One possibility is that the crew and passengers were poisoned to death with nerve gas by way of the ventillation system, and the plane was taken over by remote control.
Are you making this shit up as you go? Again, there WAS no Flight 75. Post your source, since it's obvious you have NO clue as to what you're talking about. B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So let us place a common denominator right here about who "pulled it off." You act as though they are still alive based upon the manner of your specific point. Who are they, wishing to murder so many?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You: Another lie. At the Moussaoui trial, the fact that there was only 1 call to Ted Olson from his wife that lasted 0 seconds was presented. People who have the power to pull the strings at the highest levels of government, not just here in the US, but multi-nationaly.
Who was behind the Iraq war, a war that had no basis or foundation, a war that need not have been fought.
It's obvious our AGitprop friend is getting highly flustered about all this.
Of course, you are suggesting that there is absolutely no way terrorists from foreign countries, planned this event.... correct?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
No, I'm not saying that. Those responsible could very well be from foreign countries, but they are not planning these things from caves in Afghanistan, but rather mountain retreats in the Rockies, conventions in European hotels, and various boardrooms across the globe.
It's obvious our AGitprop friend is getting highly flustered about all this. It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That has been a total flop; a failed mission from before one soldier landed in Iraq. These other 9/11 issues were successful, in that, the plans worked with a large number of casualties and deaths and property damage. If the same planning occurred about 9/11 as you believe occurred with Iraq.... I would have expected at least one WMD found and the US pumping oil today out of Iraq and piped into Europe.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
They must have lowered their standards after the various purges at sites across the net where people once could openly discuss matters such as this, such as FR and LP. That and/or they're just out of practice.
The purpose was to engage the US into an unwinnable "war", villainize the US to those who were once either allies or indifferent, all to create a HUGE outpouring of US taxpayer money into the pockets of those with the right connections. The more "terrorists" they create, the longer the "war on terror" can last. Iraq was also desired since it was geographically strategic for future plans against Iran, and as a base of US operations in future Middle Eastern conflicts. There was no real need for any "WMD" to have been found. Has Congress impeached or indicted anyone over it yet? It'll never happen. As far as Iraq's oil, can you tell me where it IS going these days?
They must have lowered their standards after the various purges at sites across the net where people once could openly discuss matters such as this, such as FR and LP. That and/or they're just out of practice. One thing I have noticed is that there is now a proliferation of anti-truth websites. They still have to lie, omit, and misrepresent to try and uphold the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" but they have gotten better at it. I have to admit I'm rusty - I have not really had many shills to pick on since I got the heave-ho at El Pee. Also a lot of my old links are no longer good.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
BP PLC Tuesday awarded $500 million in contracts to drill wells in Iraq's giant Rumaila oil field, the first step in a mammoth initiative by foreign oil companies to revive the country's energy industry. If successful, the effort at Rumaila and several other fields near Basra could be one of the largest expansions of crude-oil production ever achieved anywhere. Increased Iraq production could be the difference between a well-supplied global market with oil steadily trading below today's $82 a barrel and a tight oil market with triple-digit prices, struggling to meet rising Asian demand. "It could change the map of oil," says Paolo Scaroni, chief executive of Italy's Eni SpA, which is preparing to begin work on the giant Zubair field. Any surge in Iraqi oil production must still overcome tremendous obstacles, including fractious politics and security concerns. Iraq oil production was forecast to rebound quickly after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But it took six years to get back to 2.5 million barrels a day, the level Iraq was producing in 2001. The new drilling contracts are the beginning of a long effort by a dozen of the world's largest oil companies to revive Iraq's decrepit oil infrastructure and turn it into a rival of Saudi Arabia for world's biggest crude exporter, industry officials say. Iraq sits atop the world's third-largest supply of oil, after Saudi Arabia and Iran. But two decades of war, sanctions and neglect have left it in disrepair. Oil fields are in desperate need of investment. New wells need to be drilled. Massive amounts of water need to be pumped underground to restore pressure and revitalize reservoirs. Iraqi officials say they plan to add 10 million barrels a day of oil production capacity by 2017. Most observers say that is too optimistic. However, they say that adding three to four million barrels is possible. Even that lower number would be a historic feat, lagging only Saudi Arabia's massive expansion in the 1970s. Iraq has an estimated 115 billion barrels of crude-oil reserves. At current prices, that is valued at $9.5 trillion. Numerous political and security concerns remain before this oil can be extracted. Ayad Allawi's Iraqiya bloc, which won the most seats in the recent parliamentary election, said it would like to review oil contracts signed with foreign companies. That raised concerns there could be further delays in starting work. However, as the nation's leading parties engage in negotiations to form a new coalition government, there has been no talk thus far of renegotiating the oil contracts. "The security situation will continue to be a challenge for some period of time," ExxonMobil Corp. Chairman and Chief Executive Rex Tillerson said earlier this month. "I think we're all hopeful that once the postelection forming of the new government moves forward and begins to reach its conclusion that some of that will subside." The bottom line is that the lure of working in Iraq-with its plentiful oil-is too great for most big oil companies to ignore. "It makes commercial sense for us to increase production as quickly as we can," said Toby Odone, a BP spokesman. BP and the South Oil Co. let contracts to drill 49 wells to Weatherford International Ltd.; a partnership between Schlumberger Ltd. and the state-run Iraqi Drilling Co.; and China's Daqing Oil Field Company Ltd., said Abdul Mahdy al-Ameedi, a senior official in the oil ministry. He said BP plans to increase production at Rumaila from 1.07 million barrels a day to 1.23 million barrels within 12 months. These contracts are the first of what is expected to be a wave of oil-field-service related work let by BP, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell PLC, Eni, Lukoil OAO and China National Petroleum Corp. over the next few months. The companies have been awarded contracts to increase production at separate fields. Energy analysts at Sanford C. Bernstein recently wrote that developing seven major Iraq fields, including Rumaila and Zubair, would require $102 billion in investment. But they said they were "skeptical" all of the plans would be carried out. The development of so many enormous projects-most clustered within 50 miles of each other-will create an enormous demand for workers, engineers and drilling rigs. It will also require the construction of a giant infrastructure build out, including roads, ports, oil export facilities and water plants. Raising oil production so quickly in such a small area may prove too demanding. Recently, it took Saudi Arabia nearly five years to increase its crude oil production capacity by two million barrels a day-without overriding concerns about political stability or security, notes energy consultants IHS CERA. A new analysis by the consultants say Iraq's plan to increase production is "extraordinarily ambitious" and predicted an increase of just less than two million barrels of oil a day by 2015. "It will be incredibly complicated to pull this off," says Matt Simmons, a Houston investment banker. Nonetheless, even a few million barrels a day of crude oil production capacity could have an enormous impact. The growth of Iraqi oil production and exports will play a "decisive role in shaping global oil markets," says Fatih Birol, chief economist of the Paris-based International Energy Agency, a watchdog for industrialized nations. Without the boost in Iraqi production, Mr. Birol worries that global oil production over the next five years will have trouble pumping out enough barrels to match expected demand from China, India and the Middle East. Tight supplies amid growing Chinese demand sent oil prices soaring close to $150 a barrel in 2008. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 75, and 77 logged and listed...Again, there WAS no Flight 75. No, there was a Flight "175" that had the 30+ calls recorded. I said "75" twice, have now corrected it in red, but afterwards posted a link that refers correctly to Flight "175." So somehow saying "75" instead of "175" is supposed to be some huge piece of evidence. Right, loser.
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#66. To: buckeroo (#63)
OK.... since the terrorists didn't pirate the jet ... what happened to all the passengers and crew?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#64)
There are over 30 phone calls from Flight 75 logged and listed. There are also phone calls from Flights 11, 75, and 77 logged and listed.
#68. To: FormerLurker (#66)
I could list an infinite number of possibilies as to what might have happened to the passengers and crew, but the only ones who REALLY know are the ones who pulled it off.
#69. To: AGAviator (#58)
Me: Even the FBI has indicated that Ted Olzon's wife never spoke to her husband on her cellphone during the flight.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: buckeroo (#68)
So let us place a common denominator right here about who "pulled it off."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: buckeroo (#68)
Who are they, wishing to murder so many?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: Original_Intent (#67)
B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker (#70)
People who have the power to pull the strings at the highest levels of government, not just here in the US, but multi-nationaly.
#74. To: buckeroo (#73)
Of course, you are suggesting that there is absolutely no way terrorists from foreign countries, planned this event.... correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: FormerLurker (#72)
B-b-b-b-b-but that's what the debunker website said. Either that or it's a misprint in its talking points list.
#76. To: FormerLurker (#71)
Who was behind the Iraq war, a war that had no basis or foundation, a war that need not have been fought.
#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: buckeroo (#76)
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If the same planning occurred about 9/11 as you believe occurred with Iraq.... I would have expected at least one WMD found and the US pumping oil today out of Iraq and piped into Europe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: FormerLurker (#77)
It's not supposed to go like this - it's not the way it was in the training school.
#80. To: FormerLurker (#78)
As far as Iraq's oil, can you tell me where it IS going these days?
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#81. To: FormerLurker (#64)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#82. To: FormerLurker (#31)
From what the researchers who have looked over the data have found, the flight data indicates the plane couldn't have hit the light poles since the aircraft would have been too high to do so,
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#83. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#69)
During the FBI investigation and press release phase, the terms "aircraft onboard phone" and "cell phone" were frequently interchanged. Like someone who gets an incoming cell call is going to instantly know what precise phone type it's coming from. So there are the phone calls whether "onboard" or cell," and their recipients logged and documented. What conversations went on with those calls? How to continue executing the Mother of All Conspiracies without anybody finding out? Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners ...by Prof David Ray Griffin Having concluded that I had probably made an error, I wrote a retraction, entitled “Barbara Olson’s Alleged Call from AA 77: A Correction About Onboard Phones,” which was posted May 7, 2007. Having said that my earlier claim that AA 757s did not have onboard phones was “wrong, at least probably,” I concluded this essay by saying: “In this brief essay, I have tried to exemplify what I have always said people should do when they find that they have made errors, especially about issues of great importance: Correct them quickly, forthrightly, and publicly," At the Moussaoui trial, the fact that there was only 1 call to Ted Olson from his wife that lasted 0 seconds was presented
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#84. To: AGAviator (#83)
From Could Barbara Olson Have Made Those Calls? Futhermore... In the course of doing research for this article, we learned, to our amazement, that even if, contrary to our evidence, Flight 77 did have functioning onboard phones, the US government has now said, implicitly, that Ted Olson’s claim about receiving two calls from his wife that morning is untrue. As we mentioned earlier, the FBI report on phone calls from AA planes on 9/11 does not cite records from the DOJ showing that any calls from AA 77 were received that morning. Instead, the FBI report refers merely to four “connected calls to unknown numbers.” The 9/11 Commission, putting the best possible spin on this report, commented: “The records available for the phone calls from American 77 do not allow for a determination of which of [these four calls] represent the two between Barbara and Ted Olson, although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office.”27 That is, it must be said, a very strange conclusion: If Ted Olson reported receiving only two calls, why would the Commission conclude that the DOJ had received four connected calls from his wife? That conclusion is, in any case, starkly contradicted by evidence about phone calls from Flight 77 presented by the US government at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui in 2006.28 Far from attributing all four of the “connected calls to unknown numbers” to Barbara Olson, as the 9/11 Commission suggested, the government’s evidence here attributes none of them to her, saying instead that each of them was from an “unknown caller.” The only call attributed to Barbara Olson, moreover, is an “unconnected call” to the Department of Justice, which was said to have been attempted at “9:18:58” and to have lasted “0 seconds.” According to the US government in 2006, in other words, Barbara Olson attempted a call to the DOJ, but it did not go through.29 The government itself has presented evidence in a court of law, therefore, that implies that unless its former solicitor general was the victim of two faked phone calls, he was lying. It may seem beyond belief that the US government would have failed to support Ted Olson’s claim. We ourselves, as we indicated, were amazed at this development. However, it would not be the first time that the FBI---surely the agency that prepared this report about phone calls from the flights30---had failed to support the official story about 9/11. We refer to the fact that when Rex Tomb, the FBI’s chief of investigative publicity, was asked why the bureau’s website on “Usama bin Laden” does not list 9/11 as one of the terrorist acts for which he is wanted, he replied: “[T]he FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”31 Having said that my earlier claim that AA 757s did not have onboard phones was “wrong, at least probably
The 757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual: Besides learning about and confirming this letter from Kinder, we also obtained another piece of evidence supporting the conclusion that passengers on AA 77 could not have used onboard phones. One of RB’s colleagues sent him a page from the Boeing 757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual (757 AMM) dated January 28, 2001. This page states that the passenger phone system for the AA 757 fleet had (by that date) been deactivated.24 According to the 757 AMM, in other words, the onboard phones had been deactivated at least seven and a half months prior to 9/11.
United States v. Ted Olson
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#85. To: AGAviator (#81)
We're not discussing Flight 175 nor some imaginary Flight 75, we're discussing Flight 77.
So somehow saying "75" instead of "175" is supposed to be some huge piece of evidence.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: buckeroo (#80)
There you go, you found the answer to your question.
BP PLC Tuesday awarded $500 million in contracts to drill wells in Iraq's giant Rumaila oil field, the first step in a mammoth initiative by foreign oil companies to revive the country's energy industry.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Notice that the oil firm granted by the USA was not a US based oil firm.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#88. To: buckeroo (#87)
Who has de facto jurisdiction over the Gulf of Mexico at the moment...
Notice that the oil firm granted by the USA was not a US based oil firm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Nice find.
#90. To: A K A Stone (#89)
Thanks.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: FormerLurker (#88)
BP .... Then again, a hostile takeover bid is in the works by Exxon-Mobil.
Who has de facto jurisdiction over the Gulf of Mexico at the moment...
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#92. To: FormerLurker (#85)
And more specifically calls made from and logged from Flight 77, stating the plane had been taken over by hijackers and other people killed and injured. Contrary to the false claim that hijackers couldn't possibly have taken 77, over because the cabin door black box recorders show nothing.
We're not discussing Flight 175 nor some imaginary Flight 75, we're discussing Flight 77.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#93. To: AGAviator (#92)
The DOJ submitted at the Moussaoui trial that Barbara Olson called her husband once during the flight, and that it lasted ZERO seconds, ie. it didn't go through.
And more specifically calls made from and logged from Flight 77, stating the plane had been taken over by hijackers and other people killed and injured.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: buckeroo (#91)
Then again, a hostile takeover bid is in the works by Exxon-Mobil. Now you just have to look into who controls and profits from the above corporations. While you're at it, look at the Trans Afghan pipeline and Unocal's natural gas investment.
BP ....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: FormerLurker (#62)
Wrong. On the older 757 models that already had them, there were. They stopped introducing them on newer models. Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners ...by Prof David Ray Griffin Having concluded that I had probably made an error, I wrote a retraction, entitled “Barbara Olson’s Alleged Call from AA 77: A Correction About Onboard Phones,” which was posted May 7, 2007. Having said that my earlier claim that AA 757s did not have onboard phones was “wrong, at least probably,” I concluded this essay by saying: “In this brief essay, I have tried to exemplify what I have always said people should do when they find that they have made errors, especially about issues of great importance: Correct them quickly, forthrightly, and publicly," There were NO in-flight phones (or satellite phones) on Flight 77.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#96. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, AGAviator (#63)
that is some thing you'll have to work out with ag the head of your liar movement.
OK.... since the terrorists didn't pirate the jet ... what happened to all the passengers and crew?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#97. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, Twenty Twelve, Horse, Lod, christine (#1)
I serviced automatic doors for years including bank and silver vaults and The Federal Reserve and IRS buildings, and the door status (and door interlocks or "man traps") are monitored and controlled by reed switches and magnets. The magnet is installed either on the face or in the nose of the door, and the reed switch is installed in the frame. When the door opens the magnet is moved away from the switch which then changes states and signals that the door is open. Now, the govt may claim that the door status switch wasn't working at the time of the flight, but this would be easily disproven if the FDR was working and recorded the pilots or crew entering the cockpit prior to liftoff. Because "the FDR must be working or the plane cannot take off" we can assume that the govt's only other excuse is, "the data was corrupted by the crash". Hey, according to the official fairie tale high rise construction is based on many false engineering principles, even though no major changes have been adopted since 9/11. So, they may claim that FDRs sometimes glitch even though no changes will be made to them, either.
Anybody ever hear of this before?
#98. To: AGAviator (#95)
There was ONE call from Barbara Olson, and it lasted 0 seconds, meaning that it was disconnected immediately. Ted Olson changed his story several times, from cell phone to airphone and then back to cell phone, depending on what the latest reports were on what was possible and what wasn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: HOUNDDAWG (#97)
Thing is, they shut down the flight data recorder when they shut down the engines between flights, so the FDR normally wouldn't record the door opening.
Now, the govt may claim that the door status switch wasn't working at the time of the flight, but this would be easily disproven if the FDR was working and recorded the pilots or crew entering the cockpit prior to liftoff.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#100. To: FormerLurker (#99)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#101. To: FormerLurker (#99)
Nearly every flight I've ever taken I've seen flight attendants enter the cockpit. Also, when the crew needs to use the WC they have to open the door, right? So, if there is evidence of the door being opened prior to takeoff (thereby showing that the switch was working) but not opened in flight it puts the "explainers" in a precarious position, wouldn't you say?
Thing is, they shut down the flight data recorder when they shut down the engines between flights, so the FDR normally wouldn't record the door opening.
#102. To: FormerLurker (#77)
i gotta say- your tolerance & relentlessness with these people are very impressive. yeesh!
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#103. To: Original_Intent (#79)
i'm not sure that all the detail is necessary.. to the average person, one could comment 'buildings don't explode like that from airplanes' & get instant agreement. sort of like the vomit colored tic tac toe like grids in the sky.... yeah sure they're normal?? lol. all of it's nonsense; as for the few who still buy it? pity them!!
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#104. To: HOUNDDAWG (#101)
Nearly every flight I've ever taken I've seen flight attendants enter the cockpit. Also, when the crew needs to use the WC they have to open the door, right? Not according to a large group of pilots, who state that it's common for pilots to use the bathroom prior to getting into the cockpit, bring their own lunches with them, and keep the door closed during flight. Also, it may depend on the type of aircraft, where it might be more common on older style planes for the flight attendent to enter the cockpit, but on larger and more modern planes such as the 757, the cockpit is more self contained. From Link Many pilots dont like to leave the flight deck. Its called "The Walk Of Shame" for a reason...lol Also keep in mind, some of the previous flight locations if i recall were LA- ORD-MIA-IAD, These are relatively short legs. 2-3 hours. Hit the bathroom before boarding, bring your lunch (which most pilots do to save some cash and eat more healthy than airline food), and you never need to leave your seat. There is also plenty of room to stretch on a 757 Flight Deck. So, if there is evidence of the door being opened prior to takeoff (thereby showing that the switch was working) but not opened in flight it puts the "explainers" in a precarious position, wouldn't you say? The FDR only starts recording once the engines are running, and there is usually no reason to open the door prior to takeoff after the pilots are in their seats and the engines are running prior to takeoff. The case here is that the FDR shows the door being closed for the entire flight, and for the 11 prior flights, although that isn't that unusual, in fact, it's pretty common. What makes it unusual here is that if the flight deck door remained closed for the entire flight, then obviously the plane was not hijacked.
Also, it is not unusual to keep the cockpit door closed during flight. I have gone on many 4-5 hour flights never leaving the cockpit. I've even done many trips single and twin engine prop from NY to Florida, Memphis... etc, 8-10 hours of flying, with one pee break at midway point when stopping for gas. I know many pilots who go hours without leaving their seat.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: Artisan (#102)
I don't do it for their benefit, I do it for the benefit of those who are here to read the info and form their own opinion... I'm tempted at times to really say what's on my mind, but it would just play into the hands of those who are trying to discredit the info.
i gotta say- your tolerance & relentlessness with these people are very impressive. yeesh!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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