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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#851. To: AGAviator (#849)
I have provided several technical discussions backed by authoritative papers to include some of the mathematics by some established mechanical engineers, now. No one comments at all about the details. But I get the comments, "shit", "crap", "worthless" ... the list of comments is too large to discuss..... And then, we (that is YOU, AGAviator) and me receive all kinds of backstabbing snickering remarcks, "idiot", "lamebrain" and all sorts of otherwise deletives ..... these folks don't to discuss a serious set of circumstances that affected us forever .... they just want to play all day.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You forgot Turtle....
And this would concern me how? It either stands on its merits or it does not. Peer Review is vastly overrated. It is a way to prevent anything which does not conform to any given orthodoxy from getting published whether it be Archaeology, Physics, Chemistry, or 911. I've covered the territory before but there are a variety of things which today we accept as scientific fact that were rejected by the mainstream at the time of their introduction: Gregor Mendel and the inheritability of genetic traits. He was laughed at, rejected, and his work sat on a dusty shelf for over a hundred years afterwards. Alfred Wegner introduced the Theory of Continental Drift in the 1930's and was called a kook, a nut, and how dare a mere Meteorologist comment on geology. Today it is a separate branch of Geophysics called "Plate Tectonics". Copernicus was afraid to have his work on planetary motion published in his lifetime as he was kind leery of being burned at the stake as a heretic. Harvey was called a kook, a bufoon, etc., when he introduced his theory of how the circulatory system worked. Today it is taken for granted. "Rocks fall from the sky? Impossible! Rocks don't fall from the sky. Harummph!" And so meteorites were dismissed as folk tales until the scientific community caught up with the evidence. The French Geologist, Georges Cuvier, was a proponent of the theory of Catastrophism in Geology i.e., that massive earth changes can occur in a relatively short period of time. He was laughed out of the field and Charles Lyell and James Hutton's "Uniformitarianism" i.e., that all major earth changes occur slowly over vast periods of time, won the debate and Cuvier was relegated to a chuckling footnote over his "simplistic" views. But wait Johnny THERE'S MORE! In recent years beginning with Walter and Luis Alvarez and the Asteroid Impact Theory of Dinosaur Extinction there has been a slow tidal change and it now appears that Cuvier was right as the evidence for planetary scale catastrophes has begun to mount. So, 20 years ago Catastrophists were "a bunch of kooks" and today they are a growing segment of the mainstream. So, while your ignorance could, no doubt, fill volumes you are perfectly welcome to panic yourself and chuckle ignorantly away. You see there is a difference between thee and me. I am prepared to admit when an item has been disproven and revise my views to reflect new data. Which is much unlike you who has a fixed idea and a book full of talking points. I go where the data goes and you know what buddy I trust my ability to reach a logical conclusion based on the data more than I trust your hyena like chuckling and giggling. Imagine that? Oh, and don't forget to grease the wheels on your Skateboard.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Awesome post, OI.
Most excellent. I would merely add that often the best and the brightest are shunned by the "peer review" crowd simply because they make their peers look like dumbasses. Tesla comes to mind in this catagory.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Thanks. I think that is what is known in rhetorical circles as a "stinging rebuke". "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, you put on your prettiest ballerina dress/shoes and danced around AGAviator's main perspective ....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I would merely add that often the best and the brightest are shunned by the "peer review" crowd simply because they make their peers look like dumbasses. Tesla comes to mind in this catagory. Thank you. Ever read Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"? He is not very popular in some circles because he burst a lot of bubbles and shattered a few myths about "scientific progress". I've come to the conclusion over time that a lot of peer reviewed journals exist only to validate the current paradigm, given second raters a place to publish and be impressive, and prevent new ideas from seeing the light of day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, you put on your prettiest ballerina dress/shoes and danced around AGAviator's main perspective .... I'm not real big on blackout sunglasses.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I haven't but it sounds interesting. We haven't had that much "progress" IMHO. What we have in technology is mostly courtesy of Tesla and he provided the knowledge a hundred years ago. I think there is a great deal of validating the current paradigm and also validating whoever paid for the "research" grants. Sheesh, in the 70's AMC made a hydrogen, electric and methonol running Gremlin, yet people act as if this is just too tech savvy to be accomplished to these days. It seems to me, the more corporate money dictates what is given priority to reseach and such, the less we advance.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think I'd rather try to reason with the next deuce I drop. It would be a more intelligent conversation. Actually AGGravator is a Warmist, and a Peak Oiler. If there is a mainstream PTB PsyOp he doesn't agree with I am unaware of it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I haven't but it sounds interesting. We haven't had that much "progress" IMHO. What we have in technology is mostly courtesy of Tesla and he provided the knowledge a hundred years ago. I think there is a great deal of validating the current paradigm and also validating whoever paid for the "research" grants. Sheesh, in the 70's AMC made a hydrogen, electric and methonol running Gremlin, yet people act as if this is just too tech savvy to be accomplished to these days. It seems to me, the more corporate money dictates what is given priority to reseach and such, the less we advance. People assume, because of repetition, that we have a competitive marketplace that is open to all without restriction. Which is of course not true. Major interests do not like competition and we have a sociopathic/psychotic power structure that is deathly frightened of change because it might cut into their power and guaranteed incomes from their hidden monopolies. There are more than a few stories of inventors and small companies being shut down or murdered to prevent technology, particularly energy, from reaching market in competition to the existing monopolies/oligopolies. Medicine is another. The maze of laws preventing the practice of medical/healing arts that are not based on pharmaceuticals is Byzantine. For a time the FDA prohibited natural products from advertising their proven beneficial affects, even ones validated in university studies, until it was overturned in court. The FDA was serving the wishes of the people that control them - Big Pharma. Obamacare is not about the patient it is about giving a monopoly/oligopoly on medicine to the pharmaceutical companies - along with all of its other incursions on individual liberty. We continue to have an energy crisis not because there is not technology to solve it but because the people benefiting from the current status quo do not want it solved. It would be bad for business.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
His palsy wowsy, buck of the loose screw, is here (that's probably the reason).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What we have is oligarchy and a few duopolies to give the impression of competition, but it's bovine excrement. Yep, the two areas that are bringing this nation to her knees, medicine and energy, have made very little progress. Coincidence? I think not. The DOE is a revolving door for energy executives serving their own needs. The FDA is a revolving door of Big Pharma execs serving their own needs. The EPA is a revolving door of Monsanto cronies serving their own needs. And all of these needs are in direct opposition to the needs of the people. It's slick how they have done it, from the resarch funding at universities across the nation to the key positions in all regulatory agencies......all we the people are left with is the bill and a big sucking sound.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Bull$hit. Legitimate peer review is a way to check items before they are published, make sure they're not replicates, make sure they follow basic methodologies, and openly describe their sources, methods, and conclusions. Another off-topic sideshow. I've linked to Eager's CV, which in turn links, on a paper to paper basis, to his 200+ papers. Tell me which of Eager's 200+ papers aren't valid scientific fact, windbag. You can research and analyze every one of them with 2 or 3 mouse clicks. You've been called out, and you are PWNED! Furthermore, Eager's CV also lists his 14 patents in his own name. Patents not only need to demonstrate knowledge of the subject, they actually have to be original, and they have to fucking work, and when they do work, the inventors collect cash payments in the form of licensing royalties. Feel free to rebut any of Eager's 14 patents, nincompoop. So not only can Thomas Eager produce over 200 articles you are completely helpless to rebut, he also has produced at leat 14 devices or processes you are completely unable to deny successful working of. pwned again. I strongly suspect you're working on your third major whopper in a single post to me. WIthin the last week I've used basic vector analysis to show that a structure cannot be both flexible enough to absorb a gigajoule of kinetic crash energy into its side, and rigid enough to provide a platform for a rotating collapse of its top section against the its vertical bottom section, ala a falling tree upper section. The two are mutually exclusive. A rotating and falling tree section produces an equal and opposite horizontal vector against the tree base, and if the tree base is flexible, the rotating and falling section will remain within the base footprint as it its own horizontal displacement from center cancels out the compensating movement of the tree base away from center in the other direction. At various times you've both claimed there is a conspiracy because the building harmlessly absorbed the gigajoules of crash energy making the crashes not the causes of the collapses, and you've also claimed there's a conspiracy because the tops of the buildings did not rotate like falling tree tops. State which one of these 2 mutually exclusive alternatives you want to admit "has been disproven and revise my views to reflect new data." Go grease your little dickstub, Tw00ffertwit. Your puerile snides don't even rise to the level of grownup insults.
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Have you seen that unmitigated bs that buck has been posting about how wonderful the government is and how they wouldn't do any such thing? Incredible when you remember such things as Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Gordon Kahl--no telling how long a list you could make of the lies and people killed by the angelic government he loves so much.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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I don't car if Eager single handedly invented nuclear fission and quantum physics, which he of course didn't. It doesn't matter, it doesn't keep him from LYING to idiots who just take his word for it, for the "greater good". If he is trying to say he can determine by the Law of Momentum that the floors "pancaked", then he is blowing it out his ass, since the collisions were inelastic, there was no conservation of kinetic energy due to the loss of kinetic energy (much of the energy was expended in pulverizing the floors and the structure, thus was NOT available to push the mass downwards). That people such as yourself take his word as the FINAL word indicates one of two things; A) You are REALLY dense and ignorant of fundamental physics But don't mention any of that to buck. He thinks the gubmint is his friend. And maybe they are, at least so long as he will carry water for them and be a useful idiot.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You lose. This thread is debunked. Why don't you find something that lists the parameters the FDR did collect, and provide documentation that ties that to what you claim. It appears that Oct. 1991 is the cutoff between upgrade requirements, so find something that indicates which month the aircraft was manufacutered, and the ruling that specifies which upgrades were required for that aircraft. So far you've blown a lot of smoke, but haven't produced any concrete evidence one way or the other as to which parameters were actually collected.
He should head over to FR or somewhere else then. WTF's he doing here. Why isn't he still over at PalinPost, what'd he do, criticize our next queen or something. Good question. I honestly don't know. Of course with Goldi-Pox you only need to comment on the other side of one of her prejudices or expose a truth she doesn't want heard to get the boot. Which of course is why El Pee has shrunk from a thriving community to a nest of quisling Israel First Cranks and subjects of "The Tits that Walk". However, on the positive side he is good for a laugh. Such a cheerful fellow. ;-) Ever notice that the Warmists and Peak Oilers always accuse everyone else of harboring (((((shudder))))) "Conspiracy Theories" and yet their pet Chimeras are never so labeled?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't car if Eager single handedly invented nuclear fission and quantum physics, which he of course didn't. It doesn't matter, it doesn't keep him from LYING to idiots who just take his word for it, for the "greater good". If he is trying to say he can determine by the Law of Momentum that the floors "pancaked", then he is blowing it out his ass, since the collisions were inelastic, there was no conservation of kinetic energy due to the loss of kinetic energy (much of the energy was expended in pulverizing the floors and the structure, thus was NOT available to push the mass downwards). That people such as yourself take his word as the FINAL word indicates one of two things; A) You are REALLY dense and ignorant of fundamental physics B) You are paid to ACT really dense and ignorant of fundamental physics As you allude to Eager is a "Rent-a-Prof" whore who works for an institution that is well known for its tie-ins to the CIA and other "black" projects/programs. If you look at his picture on MIT's website he looks like a glutinous toad out of some H.P. Lovecraft story. Eager has become very careful. He knows his rationales are bullshit and consequently will not give interviews, except to government friendly and "Offical Conspiracy Theory™" friendly outlets who will only toss underhanded softballs and avoid any of the key objections relating to his "theories" about the collapse. Note that despite AGGravator's reliance on the accusation that none of Dr. Jone's reasearch, which he cannot disprove but relies on ad hominems to attack, is published in a top notch Peer Reviewed Journal - none of Eager's bullshit is either. As for reliance on the fraudulent and disinformative NIST Report here is a good analysis of its defects and sleight of hand avoidance of key issues: 911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html I don't expect AGGravator to read it though - it has too many big words of more than one syllable that he doesn't understand.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your thread and research are BS based upon some lamer in OZ. I already alerted YOU to the Boeing data on the FDR for the variations of jet aircraft manufacture besides making the original perspective that your "researcher" doesn't know squat. Moreover, I have PROVED that AA FLT77 was an earlier manufacture (1991) without any FDR designed for the cabin door. And, there are no records of later implementation. Your thread BUSTED! Now, for your edification ... a large part of your thread was about NYC on 9/11; not FLT77. And as a result, come on over to the 9/11 Demolition Theory thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Projecting again, eh buck. Please point out the parameters that were collected on Flight 77, with the FAA rulings and maintenance info with upgrades for that aircraft. I'll be waiting, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posts with links are already on YOUR thread, FormerLurker AND everytime, I ensured you were alerted to the DATA and FACTS that I researched. You look it up on YOUR thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The DFDR was a solid state digital model, which replaced the older tape based version on the original aircraft. Looks like you're wrong there buck.. You posted a link to the FAA site which just brought up the home page and nothing else, and never posted any parameters, just a lot of smoke.
No record of the the -1 757 (with sensors about the cabin door) upgraded to the -3 757 is there? You lose, pal. Poor research on your part and a thread that has gone no where but waste a lot of time and created a miserable experience for some of us.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
When I post a link, it includes the data contained on the page with relevant data. GO back to the post I made containing the FAA data. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
With Eager we have his history of hundreds verifiable academic and industrial accomplishments. With you, we have an anonymous unsubstantiated claim he is lying. If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record. If you can't, then you need to show why are not yourself a character assassin and a liar. A far more likely scenario.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is as though .. such as this thread about FLT 77's cabin door NEVER opened during the takeoff from Dulles to the crash at the Pentagon ... incredible.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Eight Hunnneeeeerrrrrttttt an eighty eight.........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
ANY college freshman majoring in physics can tell you about inelastic and elastic collisions, which Eager is apparently unaware of or PURPOSELY neglecting. Thus, he is either a fraud and doesn't know freshman year physics, or is PURPOSELY LYING.
Post a table of the parameters which you think the Flight 77 FDR DID collect, and try to find a reference link. You have NOT provided that info, you have simply danced around some rulings but have yet to prove anything other than the fact you can't find the info which would prove one way or another which parameters were actually collected on Flight 77's FDR.
ANY college freshman majoring in physics can tell you about inelastic and elastic collisions, which Eager is apparently unaware of or PURPOSELY neglecting. Thus, he is either a fraud and doesn't know freshman year physics, or is PURPOSELY LYING. And the correct answer is: PURPOSELY LYING. We have a WINNER Johnny!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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#852. To: buckeroo (#851)
And then, we (that is YOU, AGAviator) and me
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#853. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, FormerLurker, IRTorqued, Critter, abraxas, all (#847)
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So, what "peer reviewed" rag hole in the wall will publish your windbag word dump indictment and "refutation" of Thomas Eagar?
#854. To: Original_Intent, *Post Of The Day* (#853)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#855. To: Original_Intent (#853)
#856. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#854)
#857. To: wudidiz (#854)
#858. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#857)
I think that is what is known in rhetorical circles as a "stinging rebuke".
#859. To: abraxas (#855)
Most excellent.
#860. To: buckeroo (#858)
I think that is what is known in rhetorical circles as a "stinging rebuke".
#861. To: Original_Intent (#859)
Ever read Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"?
#862. To: Eric Stratton (#856)
People like AGAvatar sit there and bitch up a world-class shitstorm about how "Global Warming" is a major hoax and how the PTB are lying to us through their teeth, but on 9/11 all of a sudden they all found a fucking conscience.
#863. To: abraxas (#861)
Ever read Thomas Kuhn "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"?
#864. To: Original_Intent (#862)
#865. To: Original_Intent (#862)
#866. To: Eric Stratton (#864)
He should head over to FR or somewhere else then. WTF's he doing here.
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#867. To: Original_Intent (#863)
#868. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#853)
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Peer Review is vastly overrated. It is a way to prevent anything which does not conform to any given orthodoxy from getting published whether it be Archaeology, Physics, Chemistry, or 911.
A variety of things which today we accept as scientific fact that were rejected by the mainstream at the time of their introduction
I am prepared to admit when an item has been disproven and revise my views to reflect new data.
Oh, and don't forget to grease the wheels on your Skateboard.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#869. To: James Deffenbach (#866)
#870. To: Eric Stratton (#869)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#871. To: James Deffenbach (#870)
#872. To: James Deffenbach (#870)
#873. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#868)
Furthermore, Eager's CV also lists his 14 patents in his own name.
B) You are paid to ACT really dense and ignorant of fundamental physics
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#874. To: Eric Stratton (#872)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#875. To: buckeroo (#820)
There are NO records of any upgrades on AAFLT77 and as a result, the craft must be assumed to NOT have had the later -3 FDR capabilities to include your coveted thread title.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#876. To: Eric Stratton, AGGravator, AGAviator (#865)
Seriously?
#877. To: FormerLurker (#873)
Furthermore, Eager's CV also lists his 14 patents in his own name.
#878. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#875)
So far you've blown a lot of smoke
#879. To: buckeroo (#878)
Your thread and research are BS based upon some lamer in OZ. I already alerted YOU to the Boeing data on the FDR
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#880. To: FormerLurker (#879)
Please point out the parameters that were collected on Flight 77, with the FAA rulings and maintenance info with upgrades for that aircraft.
#881. To: buckeroo (#880)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#882. To: buckeroo (#880)
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I ensured you were alerted to the DATA and FACTS that I researched. You look it up on YOUR thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#883. To: FormerLurker (#881)
#884. To: FormerLurker (#882)
#885. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#873)
It doesn't matter, it doesn't keep him from LYING to idiots who just take his word for it, for the "greater good".
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#886. To: Original_Indent, buckeroo, turtle (#876)
Ever notice that the Warmists and Peak Oilers always accuse everyone else of harboring (((((shudder))))) "Conspiracy Theories" and yet their pet Chimeras are never so labeled?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#887. To: AGAviator (#886)
Ever notice how Tw00ferk00ks can never go focused more than a few seconds - in this case the WTC crashes and building collapses - without dragging extraneous subjects into the discussion instead of remaining on point?
#888. To: all (#887)
#889. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#885)
If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#890. To: buckeroo (#884)
When I post a link, it includes the data contained on the page with relevant data. GO back to the post I made containing the FAA data. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#891. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, IRTorqued, wudidiz, abraxas, farmfriend, Nostradumbass, Turdle, all (#889)
If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record.
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