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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#874. To: Eric Stratton (#872)
But don't mention any of that to buck. He thinks the gubmint is his friend. And maybe they are, at least so long as he will carry water for them and be a useful idiot.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You lose. This thread is debunked. Why don't you find something that lists the parameters the FDR did collect, and provide documentation that ties that to what you claim. It appears that Oct. 1991 is the cutoff between upgrade requirements, so find something that indicates which month the aircraft was manufacutered, and the ruling that specifies which upgrades were required for that aircraft. So far you've blown a lot of smoke, but haven't produced any concrete evidence one way or the other as to which parameters were actually collected.
He should head over to FR or somewhere else then. WTF's he doing here. Why isn't he still over at PalinPost, what'd he do, criticize our next queen or something. Good question. I honestly don't know. Of course with Goldi-Pox you only need to comment on the other side of one of her prejudices or expose a truth she doesn't want heard to get the boot. Which of course is why El Pee has shrunk from a thriving community to a nest of quisling Israel First Cranks and subjects of "The Tits that Walk". However, on the positive side he is good for a laugh. Such a cheerful fellow. ;-) Ever notice that the Warmists and Peak Oilers always accuse everyone else of harboring (((((shudder))))) "Conspiracy Theories" and yet their pet Chimeras are never so labeled?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't car if Eager single handedly invented nuclear fission and quantum physics, which he of course didn't. It doesn't matter, it doesn't keep him from LYING to idiots who just take his word for it, for the "greater good". If he is trying to say he can determine by the Law of Momentum that the floors "pancaked", then he is blowing it out his ass, since the collisions were inelastic, there was no conservation of kinetic energy due to the loss of kinetic energy (much of the energy was expended in pulverizing the floors and the structure, thus was NOT available to push the mass downwards). That people such as yourself take his word as the FINAL word indicates one of two things; A) You are REALLY dense and ignorant of fundamental physics B) You are paid to ACT really dense and ignorant of fundamental physics As you allude to Eager is a "Rent-a-Prof" whore who works for an institution that is well known for its tie-ins to the CIA and other "black" projects/programs. If you look at his picture on MIT's website he looks like a glutinous toad out of some H.P. Lovecraft story. Eager has become very careful. He knows his rationales are bullshit and consequently will not give interviews, except to government friendly and "Offical Conspiracy Theory™" friendly outlets who will only toss underhanded softballs and avoid any of the key objections relating to his "theories" about the collapse. Note that despite AGGravator's reliance on the accusation that none of Dr. Jone's reasearch, which he cannot disprove but relies on ad hominems to attack, is published in a top notch Peer Reviewed Journal - none of Eager's bullshit is either. As for reliance on the fraudulent and disinformative NIST Report here is a good analysis of its defects and sleight of hand avoidance of key issues: 911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html I don't expect AGGravator to read it though - it has too many big words of more than one syllable that he doesn't understand.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your thread and research are BS based upon some lamer in OZ. I already alerted YOU to the Boeing data on the FDR for the variations of jet aircraft manufacture besides making the original perspective that your "researcher" doesn't know squat. Moreover, I have PROVED that AA FLT77 was an earlier manufacture (1991) without any FDR designed for the cabin door. And, there are no records of later implementation. Your thread BUSTED! Now, for your edification ... a large part of your thread was about NYC on 9/11; not FLT77. And as a result, come on over to the 9/11 Demolition Theory thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Projecting again, eh buck. Please point out the parameters that were collected on Flight 77, with the FAA rulings and maintenance info with upgrades for that aircraft. I'll be waiting, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posts with links are already on YOUR thread, FormerLurker AND everytime, I ensured you were alerted to the DATA and FACTS that I researched. You look it up on YOUR thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The DFDR was a solid state digital model, which replaced the older tape based version on the original aircraft. Looks like you're wrong there buck.. You posted a link to the FAA site which just brought up the home page and nothing else, and never posted any parameters, just a lot of smoke.
No record of the the -1 757 (with sensors about the cabin door) upgraded to the -3 757 is there? You lose, pal. Poor research on your part and a thread that has gone no where but waste a lot of time and created a miserable experience for some of us.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
When I post a link, it includes the data contained on the page with relevant data. GO back to the post I made containing the FAA data. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
With Eager we have his history of hundreds verifiable academic and industrial accomplishments. With you, we have an anonymous unsubstantiated claim he is lying. If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record. If you can't, then you need to show why are not yourself a character assassin and a liar. A far more likely scenario.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever notice how Tw00ferk00ks can never go focused more than a few seconds - in this case the WTC crashes and building collapses - without dragging extraneous subjects into the discussion instead of remaining on point?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is as though .. such as this thread about FLT 77's cabin door NEVER opened during the takeoff from Dulles to the crash at the Pentagon ... incredible.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Eight Hunnneeeeerrrrrttttt an eighty eight.........
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
ANY college freshman majoring in physics can tell you about inelastic and elastic collisions, which Eager is apparently unaware of or PURPOSELY neglecting. Thus, he is either a fraud and doesn't know freshman year physics, or is PURPOSELY LYING.
Post a table of the parameters which you think the Flight 77 FDR DID collect, and try to find a reference link. You have NOT provided that info, you have simply danced around some rulings but have yet to prove anything other than the fact you can't find the info which would prove one way or another which parameters were actually collected on Flight 77's FDR.
ANY college freshman majoring in physics can tell you about inelastic and elastic collisions, which Eager is apparently unaware of or PURPOSELY neglecting. Thus, he is either a fraud and doesn't know freshman year physics, or is PURPOSELY LYING. And the correct answer is: PURPOSELY LYING. We have a WINNER Johnny!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
JACKPOT! Your Truck Load of Ripe Bananas is on the way. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
lol.......I'll be awaiting delivery with bated breath. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Is that bated or baited. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's bated cause I can't waste any worms on this delivery when the fishing is fine this time of year. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... I already provided the FACT that a 757 -1 AAFLT77 on September 11. 2001 (Tail Number = N644AA) and did not have the capability to sense the cockpit door OPEN as it was not required AND that the FDR field for the cockpit door was CLOSED as a result as that is the default of inactive sensors. AND there are no records for ANY upgrade. You go research the stuff, its your thread. When you find documentation, ping me.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Uh, no you haven't. Show me the documentation which states that Flight 77 was a 757-1, and list which data fields you allege WERE collected. Also, describe the type of FDR a 757-1 WOULD have, ie. tape based or solid state.
I provided YOU @post#640 and @post#820 (and ad nauseum) the data. You research it and get back to me. And BTW .. your BRAND NEW ISSUE of whether the FDR was a tape or solid state device has NOTHING to do with the issue about the actual sensor for the cabin door or requirements or upgrades or variations of 757 models through time which I have provided YOU several times. Your pal Stutts from Oz doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground which means, your thread is BOGUS.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's bated cause I can't waste any worms on this delivery when the fishing is fine this time of year. : ) OK, that's a Pass.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#901: marker to say that no one who has anything of consequence to do with the remainder of their lives gives a tin shit about 9/11. Old news. Two massive threads of people going at it hammer and tong over inconsequential nonsense. They're dead. Who cares who did it? Of what intrinsic value is that information? Z-E-R-O.
Derb nub it!! I slip away but for a moment and nine hunnnnneeeeerrrrtttt is taken......couldn't happen to a nicer poster. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Hee, hee. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Good, then we can just repeal the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act, bring all of our troops home, and release all of the prisoners held at Gitmo and secret prisons around the world, since it's all over with.
Well Stutts certainly knows a lot more than you, so I guess that pretty well paints how smart YOU are. Now, where's that list of parameters? Should be easy enough to post a link to it, right?
LOL. No shit. That would be a great START btw...
I disagree. The reason it remains important is that 911 has been the whole justification for the "Waronterra", the un-Patriot Act, the Military Commissions act, Der Ministry uff State Sekurity a.k.a. Vaterland Sekurity, the invasion of Pipelinestan and Iraq, and all the associated inroads on individual liberty and undermining the Constitution. As well it cuts directly to the heart of the legitimacy of the current government power structure. It is not dead, and it will remain quite alive. Of course the PTB know all of the preceeding which is why, even now, there is still a cadre of disinfo posters, and disinfo websites seeking to delegitimize questions about what really happened on that dreadful day. It is why Bush fought against an inquiry for over a year and then had to put up a rigged commission to give the appearance of an inquiry. Its importance is why NIST spent twenty million dollars to do a pretense of an investigation and analysis of why the towers fell. On 911 the government, and those that control it, staged an armed coup d'etat murdering 3,000 of its citizens to create a psychological environment conducive to cover stories justifying wars of conquest. It has been used to justify heinous and barbaric torture. No, it is not just important it is vitally important and will remain important for the indefinite future.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You beat me to in, and in fewer words. Thhhhhhhhpppppppppp!!!!!!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You don't know ANYTHING about me other than as simple, casual poster for about ten years. And that quote (above) is all you can say on your own thread wherein I verified the raw data from some guy in OZ as a self-proclaimed "researcher." Man, you used to do better than this as a true patriot in the spirit good data for all of us.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You know beating-off in publick is a sin. But, enjoy yourself.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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#875. To: buckeroo (#820)
There are NO records of any upgrades on AAFLT77 and as a result, the craft must be assumed to NOT have had the later -3 FDR capabilities to include your coveted thread title.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#876. To: Eric Stratton, AGGravator, AGAviator (#865)
Seriously?
#877. To: FormerLurker (#873)
Furthermore, Eager's CV also lists his 14 patents in his own name.
#878. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#875)
So far you've blown a lot of smoke
#879. To: buckeroo (#878)
Your thread and research are BS based upon some lamer in OZ. I already alerted YOU to the Boeing data on the FDR
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#880. To: FormerLurker (#879)
Please point out the parameters that were collected on Flight 77, with the FAA rulings and maintenance info with upgrades for that aircraft.
#881. To: buckeroo (#880)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#882. To: buckeroo (#880)
(Edited)
I ensured you were alerted to the DATA and FACTS that I researched. You look it up on YOUR thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#883. To: FormerLurker (#881)
#884. To: FormerLurker (#882)
#885. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#873)
It doesn't matter, it doesn't keep him from LYING to idiots who just take his word for it, for the "greater good".
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#886. To: Original_Indent, buckeroo, turtle (#876)
Ever notice that the Warmists and Peak Oilers always accuse everyone else of harboring (((((shudder))))) "Conspiracy Theories" and yet their pet Chimeras are never so labeled?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#887. To: AGAviator (#886)
Ever notice how Tw00ferk00ks can never go focused more than a few seconds - in this case the WTC crashes and building collapses - without dragging extraneous subjects into the discussion instead of remaining on point?
#888. To: all (#887)
#889. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#885)
If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#890. To: buckeroo (#884)
When I post a link, it includes the data contained on the page with relevant data. GO back to the post I made containing the FAA data. I have no reason to lie to you or anyone.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#891. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, IRTorqued, wudidiz, abraxas, farmfriend, Nostradumbass, Turdle, all (#889)
If you want to trash an internationally recognized public figure, who you say is a liar, start by showing any dishonesty in 14 patents and 200+ publications on his open record.
#892. To: abraxas (#888)
Eight Hunnneeeeerrrrrttttt an eighty eight.........
#893. To: Original_Intent (#892)
#894. To: abraxas (#893)
#895. To: Original_Intent (#894)
Is that bated or baited
#896. To: FormerLurker (#890)
Post a table of the parameters which you think the Flight 77 FDR DID collect, and try to find a reference link. You have NOT provided that info, you have simply danced around some rulings but have yet to prove anything other than the fact you can't find the info which would prove one way or another which parameters were actually collected on Flight 77's FDR.
#897. To: Original_Intent (#876)
#898. To: buckeroo (#896)
I already provided the FACT that a 757 -1 AAFLT77 on September 11. 2001 (Tail Number = N644AA) and did not have the capability to sense the cockpit door OPEN as it was not required AND that the FDR field for the cockpit door was CLOSED as a result as that is the default of inactive sensors. AND there are no records for ANY upgrade.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#899. To: FormerLurker (#898)
#900. To: abraxas (#895)
#901. To: abraxas (#895)
Is that bated or baited
#902. To: Original_Intent (#900)
#903. To: Original_Intent (#900)
#904. To: abraxas (#903)
#905. To: Samuel Gray (#902)
They're dead. Who cares who did it? Of what intrinsic value is that information? Z-E-R-O.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#906. To: buckeroo (#899)
And BTW .. your BRAND NEW ISSUE of whether the FDR was a tape or solid state device has NOTHING to do with the issue about the actual sensor for the cabin door or requirements or upgrades or variations of 757 models through time which I have provided YOU several times. Your pal Stutts from Oz doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground which means, your thread is BOGUS.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#907. To: FormerLurker (#905)
Good, then we can just repeal the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act, bring all of our troops home, and release all of the prisoners held at Gitmo and secret prisons around the world, since it's all over with.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#908. To: Samuel Gray (#902)
They're dead. Who cares who did it? Of what intrinsic value is that information? Z-E-R-O.
#909. To: FormerLurker (#905)
#910. To: FormerLurker (#906)
Well Stutts certainly knows a lot more than you
#911. To: Original_Intent (#909)
You beat me to in, and in fewer words. Thhhhhhhhpppppppppp!!!!!!
#912. To: wudidiz (#416)
#913. To: wudidiz (#416)
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