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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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Nobody perpetrating the attacks had to die, as aircraft are easily controlled electronically using remote control these days.
I never said it landed on the lawn. GOBACK and review the video I provided. Even it claims "unscathed lawn" .... which is the reason, I brought it up; the earlier picture distorts the point. What was all this discussion about a stupid ass lawn for with an untrained pilot not even kicking ass in the heart of the Pentagon, anyway? You guys are a laff a minute thinking some sort of US government "SECRET" operation on the Pentagon. Are you out of your collective minds?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Is the USG part of the MIC? Who owns the Federal Reserve banks? Hint, it's not the US government. Who RUNS the US government? It's certainly not "We the People", it's whoever controls the money supply and who can exert influence at the highest levels of government.
ROTFL
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Was the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty an open and public operation?
Are you that stupid and ignorant that you don't know aircraft can be controlled remotely?
Why are you going off topic from FLT77 on your own thread?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Go ask the FBI why they confiscated all video tapes from the traffic cameras near the Pentagon which would show the actual attack as it took place. Go ask your government sources why they only released a crappy 2 frame shot of the Pentagon attack from a surveillance camera, which YOU yourself have linked to in the way of that "simulation" you presented. You are projecting upon others the very thing you are guilty of yourself.
You flockwits are about as far as being from "Sir Isaac Newton" as you can get except for 1 factor - something did bounce off your noggins. I cannot think of a greater exercise in Western civ denying reality and wasting time this side of the Middle Age superstitions. On 911 we have (1) A man who played an instrumental role in the guerilla fighting that eventually forced the communists to leave Afghanistan, saying he will do the same thing to the US as to the Russians, following through on his threats by destroying 2 US embassies and several US military facilities over the next decade. But somehow not playing any role in the 911 attacks, because he stayed in some bomb-resistance mountain bases after escaping several volleys of cruise missiles sent to his regular living place and because briefly he denied being behind them (2) Four aircraft reporting hijackings, with 3 of them observed crashing into buildings by hundreds to thousands of observers, (3) Major damage to other buildings from the crashes that happened in New York City, (4) The release of these 3 crashes of gigajoules of energy which somehow had no effect on the buildings, which are alleged to have been brought down by alternative totally unconnected and difficult to fully explain in detail methods, (5) Firemen saying they will be "pulling" away from one crash damaged building because "the structural stability is not there," (6) Saying that dozens of phone calls recorded and recollected by people during the jijackings didn't ever happen, and (7) Saying the people who got the remains from forensic DNA analysis didn't actually receive the bodies or body parts of people dying according to the detailed autopsy reports. What a pantload to expect people other than dingbat Six Percenters to believe! Speaking of Pantloads how's the weather in Virginia today? 1. The fact that someone is hostile does not bequeath upon them magic powers to cause cover exercises to occur, the FBI to secure and sequester all of the 32 or so videotapes from sites around the Pentagon the afternoon of the attack (which 9 years later are still under lock and key), nor does it explain how that same CIA Contract Agent was able to shut down NORAD. Blowing Osama Ben Forgotten up into some mythical bogeyman does not vitiate obvious facts such as that the Air Traffic Controllers who watched this all unfold on their scopes are still under a gag order 9 years later. 2. None of the Aircraft reported a hijacking and to assert otherwise is simply a lie. None of the pilots or co-pilots (8 people on 4 aircraft) reported being hijacked or, very telling, sent the four digit hijack code which takes about 2 seconds to tap out. Once it is possible, twice is stretching it, but 4 out 4? I don't think so. These were highly trained ex-military pilots who were used to operating under deadly stress. That not 1 of them sent the code is preposterous UNLESS the avionics had been tampered with. That a madman in a cave in the vastness of far Tora Bora could do that on 4 aircraft would require a very sophisticated technical team and the logistics of which would make "Mission Impossible" look like a Cake Walk. 3. No one has maintained that the aircraft did not do damage to the buildings in New York. That is a Strawman Argument. However, there is no evidence which supports the stupid theory that 2 airplanes can make 3 buildings collapse in a manner identical to a controlled demolition. I know several implausible scenarios have been tried to force the evidence into that box, but for some strange reason it keeps squeezing out. Imagine that. 4. First a "Joule" is an extremely small amount of energy so even a gigajoule or two, while large, is only a fraction of the energy released in a nuclear explosion. For comparison a standard stick of dynamite releases 2.1 Megajoules of energy (7.5 MJ/Kg). It sounds bigger than it is because most people are not familiar with the tiny amount of energy represented by 1 Joule. And the size of the energy is not as important as how the energy is directed and into what. Here is where scale becomes important. A gigajoule of energy released into an ant hill is going to obliterate it out of existence, that same amount of energy released into the side of an open pit mine is going to create a lot of work for the men hauling the ore out, but a gigajoule released into an open structure with plenty of avenues for the compression wave to escape is not as significant. Its still not good, but not enough to knock down a structure as beefy as the the twin towers. In the case of the towers they were designed to withstand that level of impact and remain standing. However, that is almost beside the point as the series of unlikely events, and the strained reasoning of the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" do not account for the observed phenomena. If one takes the time to study a few catastrophic collapses of built structures then the one thing that stands out is that there is always one point where the failure of the structure begins i.e., a weak point that gives way first. So, in a normal failure the structure collapses in the direction of the point of failure. That is not what is observed at WTC 1,2, and 7. No, instead they collapse simultaneously in 360 degrees, SYMMETRICALLY, and subside into their own footprint at a rate of collapse approaching free fall - also not a typical phenomena associated with a normal catastrophic engineering failure. What is the closest simile to the observed phenomena is a controlled demolition wherein the underlying structure is removed by demolition charges thus allowing gravity to uniformly collapse the structure in a controlled linear collapse into its own footprint. 5. Structural instability does not equal a symmetrical, initiated at the same instant at all 4 corners, 360 degree collapse of a structure into its own footprint. Your comment is intentionally misleading so as to imply that reports of localized instability equals a collapse of the structure in the manner observed. 6. The only evidence of the alleged phone calls is insubstantial. The known operating charateristics of analog cellphones makes it very tenuous to assert that even one call was made. As you well know the famous "Barbara Olson" "calls" did not occur. You are simply blustering and trying to divert in a maze of confusion. 7. I have never argued that. I have not commented on it at all as a matter of fact. It is quite a "Pantload" to presume that people will stop observing, thinking, and drawing logical conclusions from the observed evidence just because you write a spittle flecked post and hold your breath until you turn blue. Childish temper tantrums are not evidence. Public Meltdowns and the use of shaky evidence and outright lies is not a valid argument. I would say you are so full of shit that your eyes are brown but that would be rude. Instead I'll just shake my head and laugh at your infantile antics.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are saying that it is impossible for the government to attack a US military asset, where they did exactly that in the case of the USS Liberty.
NO....... but why would you think that the US government (or any government in the US) would consider such an act perpetrated against the American People ... or (in the case of the Pentagon) the US government itself?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Hogwash & hubris ... stay on topic! How did the US government (or direct and capable affiliates)perpetrate a death squad against its own People?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Maybe Elvis helped plot the attacks while smoking hash and popping pills with bin Laden in their secret batcave over in Afghanistan, eh?
Nice pic. But wait. If aircraft can be controlled remotely and easily, why can't marginal pilots learn how to punch a few buttons to help them on their routes? LOL.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever hear of Pearl Harbor? Look it up sometime. Ever hear of Operation Northwoods? Look that one up as well.
LOL. I guess you two geniuses never heard of drones, eh? Big difference between putting some idiot in front of the array of instruments and controls in the cockpit of a modern airliner, and having actual experienced pilots fly the controls remotely using computer assisted manuevers.
Here is the best that I can figure out ... based on all the scenarios ..... the EBIL government only wanted marginal damage to the Pentagon. Did you know, that Donny Rumsfeld was in his office (the Pentagon) that morning ... and wanted him to shake a leg stirring up two wars ..... Donny didn't know nothing until the collision struck. This proves that the diabolical plot was successful!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You're the windbag who's alleging no connections between a guerilla leader who made violent threats against the US and carried them out over a decade, the hijackings of 3 aircraft by people identified as his followers, the plane crashes into buildings that subsequently experienced major or complete collapses within a few hours of their crashes, and unspecified details of alleged massive conspiracy plots, from an unspecified cabal of people who convincingly have shown themselves unable to to manage the very war they wanted. Those all are symptoms of a major reality block. Get your own head on straight before you infer anything wrong with people trying to help you get your bearings in the real world.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's try this: "Since we know the plane was hijacked obviously the door monitoring equipment wasn't working properly or the data was corrupted in the crash." I meant it in the way of if the door actually remained closed, not in the way of what the sensor showed necessarily. The fact is, if the door actually DID remain closed, then there WAS no hijacking since nobody, neither stewardess nor crazed "Muzzie", entered the cockpit during the flight. However, since the plane will not takeoff if the FDR or any of its sensors are malfunctioning, I'd lean on the side of the data field being valid.
A classic that still applies is FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP By Michael Rivero It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need. In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of its worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private land holder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero. In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan. Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Spartacus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Spartacus had already defeated in battle. But Spartacus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Spartacus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom. Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Spartacus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Spartacus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Spartacus had no choice but to march on Rome. Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Spartacus' army and even though Pompey took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year. With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors. Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers. Then the Reichstag burned down; a staged terrorist attack. (Continued at Link.)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You mean the one who worked for the CIA, and who denounced the attacks and denied involvement till after his reported death, where various actors claiming to be him stated otherwise?
Yes, "they" sent an airplane on a breathtaking 270/330 degree turn into the back of the building in front of its parking lot, in a recently renovated and reinforced section with less than full occupancy, to make it look good. Instead of hitting Rumsfeld's office on the north where it was originally flying by, but overshot from a lift-generating power dive. Because the bean counters were about to uncover missing funds, that's the ticket. So "they" got everybody else to come on board, but couldn't control the bean counters? Why are bean counters so special they needed to get hit instead of taking dirrections and falling into line? But even after 8 years and getting their people killed, even no bean counter has come forward? And no Twoofer has been disappeared or whacked? LOLOL! Too much!
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Rumsfeld would have no desire to "hit" his own office, for one. The aircraft did not "power dive" into the Pentagon you raving nut, it descended into a turn, which took it AWAY from Rumsfeld's office, and then FLEW a mile at low level to reach the Pentagon.
$6.9 Trillion Lien Against Israel for Pentagon Embezzlement Sunday, April 11, 2010 $6.9 Trillion Lien Against Israel for Pentagon Embezzlement FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 8, 2010 A.D. Seattle, Washington State The Supreme Law Firm has disclosed today a $6.9 TRILLION lien now in the making against Dr. Dov S. Zakheim and the State of Israel, in connection with the principal sum of at least $2.9 TRILLION evidently embezzled from the Pentagon by Zakheim and his accomplices in the run-up to the attacks on 9/11. In a briefly worded email message to the Office of the Attorney General ("AG") for the Commonwealth of Virginia, with territorial jurisdiction over the offices of Booz Allen Hamilton in McLean, Virginia, a Private Attorney Attorney ... Excerpt Private Attorney General releases Executive Summary for the U.S. Coast Guard: positive identification of the Pentagon murder weapons "....coupled with other, secondary evidence of which I am aware, some of it admittedly circumstantial, we have informed the U.S. Coast Guard of our conclusions that an unmanned, remotely controlled A-3 Skywarrior hit the Pentagon, immediately after an air-to-ground ("AGM") missile was launched from under the port wing, in order to soften an entrance hole for the A-3's main fuselage. The timing of the warhead's explosion was not quite "perfect" however, and the shock wave resulted in partially disintegrating the A-3 into pieces, some of which came to rest outside the Pentagon. I am a qualified Federal Witness, and I am competent to testify, under oath, as to the facts and conclusions summarized above." www.supremelaw.org/author...ell/executive.summary.htm Interesting that pic [missile?] was named "Phoenix". The reconstruction project afterwards was likewise called the "Poenix Project", and was finished on the next September 11, and the first cornerstone for the Pentagon was likewise set on September 11, about 50 years prior. The occult plan for America from the beginning was for the New World Order to appear out of our ashes. [Psalm 2]. See DEATH OF THE PHOENIX: FINAL ACT FOR THE USA Jan 1, 2006 ... in the middle ages employed the phoenix bird as a symbol of Christ because of its voluntary death, rebirth after death and its pure way of ... watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html Christ's birthday, btw, is September 11, 3 BC. They call Him "Yeshu" : "may His name be forgotten, blotted out." bible.cc/isaiah/52-5.htm From my 4um post: freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=116841 [p.s. I only attempted to post the pic of the Skywarrior...if these other pics I'm seeing on my draft are attached, I don't know where they came from, but they are interesting.] From the Air Force holographic imagery site [since removed from the web; down the 'memory hole']: "...The holographic projector displays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from the display generator. The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management. It is also useful for optical deception and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary....." So the holograph image "cloaked" the Skywarrior, I'm gathering. I have to commend them on all their creativity. Maybe Hollyweird WAS involved.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I must give you credit - you are both persistent and consistent in hanging onto your crazed fantabulations of the "Magic Muslim" who could, with a wave of his "Magic Cellphone®", stupify the entire North American Air Defense Command and cause 3 buildings to implode in controlled demolitions from 2 aircraft impacts which the buildings were designed to withstand. Of course this machiavellian jeenyus, who happened to be a CIA Contract Agent, was able to also, with a wave of his "Magic Cellphone®" turn incompetent pilots unable competently fly a single engine propellor driven Cessna 172 (with a top speed of 220 knots in a dive) into master pilots who can fly Jumbo Jets at 500 knots with the aerobatic skill of the Red Baron in his Fokker Tri-Plane. The number of preposterous assumptions your frantic and hyperbolic scenario requires is not even good believable fiction. But keep trying it's fun to watch you flail around and hold your breath. I have kind of a fascination with it - kind of like watching a Circus Clown Fire Engine Brigade.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You mean the ones that are alive and well and have stated publically that they weren't involved, with the obvious proof being that they're still alive? There were 4 aircraft BTW.
Going down quickly without using flaps or cutting back on the throttle is classified as a power dive, pinhead, especially when the turn is done over 400 mph, and the wings of the aircraft are seen oscillating as the pilot attempts to bring the craft flat and level close to the deck.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is the greatest government plot against it's own people in all of mankind's history! Maybe they can cook up some new successes, now....... like fix SS, unemployment, guard the borders, bring down the debt, stop the wars ... and here is the REALLY BIG area of consideration: actually educate the People.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
'Boy seems a bit wound too tight. I think he needs to relax a bit, but the Sgt. in charge of his PsyOps Unit probably won't let him. Slave driver. Well, you know what they say about Sergeants - "they reproduce by fission - like all bacteria".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oh? So what happened to the 4th plane?
ROTFL.... this is a classic "knee-slapper" post. Thanks so much ... I have tears in my eyes and my belly aches from laffing so hard.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It was classified as a precision turn with a high rate of descent (akin to a military aircraft), and who ever said anything about "oscillating wings"?
No one else is alleging a magic cellphone, that's a product of your own addled mentality, known as a "Straw Man." The nexus of your arguments and reality block. Others are alleging a skilled combat engineer and guerilla leader/trainer who produced lethal and effective insurgent fighters capable of going head to head with the Soviet Union's finest special forces, their spetsnaz, from combat positions blasted from mountain granite and capable of withstanding air and helicopter attacks. And who commands to this day complete loyalty from tens of thousands of people because of his willingness to sacrifice personal comfort and live an austere life on the front lines.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They probaly have some AI program analyze his comments and responses for "win/fail" scores, and he's not allowed to go to lunch until his score hits a certain level, or drops so low he's given a mandatory timeout.
Glad you brought that up. On the morning of 9/11 are you or anyone aware of what happened in Washington DC for evacuation planning and execution for the bureaucrats?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The people who believe the government's insane conspiracy theory MAY be subjects of an Artificial Stupidity program that succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of its creator.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. For one, even the DOD has recently stated that there are only several hundred "Al-Qaeda" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. For two, bin Laden was reported dead in Dec. 2001.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut, you will never find a sane man/woman willing to DIE for a country.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#193. To: FormerLurker (#187)
#194. To: AGAviator (#191)
Show me the money trail.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#195. To: FormerLurker (#192)
Nobody perpetrating the attacks had to die, as aircraft are easily controlled electronically using remote control these days.
#196. To: buckeroo (#193)
You guys are a laff a minute thinking some sort of US government "SECRET" operation on the Pentagon. Are you out of your collective minds?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#197. To: buckeroo (#195)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#198. To: FormerLurker (#196)
Was the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty an open and public operation?
#199. To: AGAviator (#165)
Why videos with only 1-2 frames with plane shots instead of a faster speed film with better locations and better zoom-in zoom outs?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#200. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, christine, all (#172)
Seriously, still trying to debunk the controlled demolition of the towers? That is akin to debunking the laws of physics, good luck with that. Oh, he'd do that too if his boss told him to. Suddenly Sir Isaac Newton would become a lazy crank.
#201. To: buckeroo (#198)
Why are you going off topic from FLT77 on your own thread?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#202. To: FormerLurker (#197)
#203. To: FormerLurker (#201)
You are saying that it is impossible for the government to attack a US military asset, where they did exactly that in the case of the USS Liberty.
#204. To: buckeroo (#163)
That is absolutely correct. There are also sightings of Babara Olson, Saddam Hussein and Adolph Hitler still walking around. I guess it is possible ...... then again, BIG_FOOT and the Loch Ness Monster (aka NESSIE) are still alive and kicking, too ...... ;) ;)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: buckeroo (#195)
Aircraft controlled remotely
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#206. To: buckeroo (#203)
How did the US government (or direct and capable affiliates)perpetrate a death squad against its own People?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#207. To: AGAviator, buckeroo (#205)
If aircraft can be controlled remotely and easily, why can't marginal pilots learn how to punch a few buttons to help them on their routes?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#208. To: AGAviator (#205)
If aircraft can be controlled remotely and easily, why can't marginal pilots learn how to punch a few buttons to help them on their routes?
#209. To: Original_Intent (#200)
Public Meltdowns and the use of shaky evidence and outright lies
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#210. To: HOUNDDAWG (#164)
(O)bviously?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#211. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, all (#206)
#212. To: AGAviator (#209)
You're the windbag who's alleging no connections between a guerilla leader who made violent threats against the US and carried them out over a decade
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: buckeroo (#208)
(Edited)
Here is the best that I can figure out ... based on all the scenarios ..... the EBIL government only wanted marginal damage to the
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#214. To: Original_Intent (#211)
The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors. Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#215. To: AGAviator (#213)
Instead of hitting Rumsfeld's office on the north where it was originally bflying and overshot from a lift-generating power dive.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#216. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#189)
I'm thinking this was used at the Pentagram, using a Sky Warrior/missile [? have to check my notes],
#217. To: AGAviator, all (#209)
(Edited)
You're the windbag who's alleging no connections between a guerilla leader who made violent threats against the US and carried them out over a decade, the hijackings of 3 aircraft by people identified as his followers, the plane crashes into buildings that subsequently experienced major or complete collapses within a few hours of their crashes, and unspecified details of alleged massive conspiracy plots, from an unspecified cabal of people who convincingly have shown themselves unable to to manage the very war they wanted.
#218. To: AGAviator (#209)
the hijackings of 3 aircraft by people identified as his followers
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#219. To: FormerLurker (#215)
The aircraft did not "power dive" into the Pentagon you raving nut, it descended into a turn
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#220. To: FormerLurker (#218)
There were 4 aircraft BTW.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#221. To: AGAviator (#213)
But even after 8 years and getting their people killed, even no bean counter has come forward? And no Twoofer has been disappeared or whacked?
#222. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#218)
#223. To: AGAviator (#220)
3 crashes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#224. To: Original_Intent (#217)
Of course this machiavellian jeenyus, who happened to be a CIA Contract Agent, was able to also, with a wave of his "Magic Cellphone®" turn incompetent pilots unable competently fly a single engine propellor driven Cessna 172 (with a top speed of 220 knots in a dive) into master pilots who can fly Jumbo Jets at 500 knots with the aerobatic skill of the Red Baron in his Fokker Tri-Plane.
#225. To: AGAviator (#219)
Going down quickly without using flaps or cutting back on the throttle is classified as a power dive, pinhead, especially when the turn is done over 400 mph, and the wings of the aircraft are seen oscillating as the pilot attempts to bring the craft flat and level close to the deck.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#226. To: Original_Intent, turtle, buckeroo (#217)
"Magic Cellphone®",
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#227. To: FormerLurker (#223)
3 crashes. Oh? So what happened to the 4th plane?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#228. To: Original_Intent (#222)
I think he needs to relax a bit, but the Sgt. in charge of his PsyOps Unit probably won't let him. Slave driver.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#229. To: AGAviator (#226)
Others are alleging a skilled combat engineer and guerilla leader/trainer who produced lethal and effective insurgent fighters capable of going head to head with the Soviet Union's finest special forces, their spetsnaz, from combat positions blasted from mountain granite and capable of withstanding air and helicopter attacks.
#230. To: FormerLurker (#228)
They probaly have some AI program analyze his comments and responses for "win/fail" scores, and he's not allowed to go to lunch until his score hits a certain level, or drops so low he's given a mandatory timeout.
Lord Acton
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#231. To: AGAviator (#226)
And who commands to this day complete loyalty from tens of thousands of people because of his willingness to sacrifice personal comfort and live an austere life on the front lines.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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