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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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ROTFL .... even the president's wife was in the WH on the morning of 9/11; GWBush couldn't find her there was so much pandemonium. Former first lady details problems with communication system TODAY books In her memoir, "Spoken from the Heart," former first lady Laura Bush shares a detailed account of being in the White House during the terrorist attacks. An excerpt. Goodness in the land of the living Tuesday morning, September 11, was sunny and warm, the sky a brilliant cerulean blue. The day before, I had hosted a lunch for Janette Howard, wife of the Australian prime minister, while George met with her husband, John. My friends who had come for the National Book Festival had all flown home, and even George was gone, in Florida for a school visit. George H. W. Bush and Bar had spent the night, but they had already left at 7:00 a.m. to catch an early flight. And I had what I considered a big day planned. I was set to arrive at the Capitol at 9:15 to brief the Senate Education Committee, chaired by Edward M. Kennedy, on the findings of the early childhood development conference that I’d held in July. In the afternoon, we were hosting the entire Congress and their families for the annual Congressional Picnic. The South Lawn of the White House was already covered with picnic tables awaiting their fluttering cloths, and Tom Perini from Buffalo Gap, Texas, was setting up his chuckwagons. Our entertainment would be old-fashioned square dancing and Texas swing music by Ray Benson and his classic band, Asleep at the Wheel. I finished dressing in silence, going over my statement again in my mind. I was very nervous about appearing before a Senate committee and having news cameras trained on me. Had the TV been turned on, I might have heard the first fleeting report of a plane hitting the North Tower of the World Trade Center at the tip of Manhattan as I walked out the door to the elevator. Instead, it was the head of my Secret Service detail, Ron Sprinkle, who leaned over and whispered the news in my ear as I entered the car a few minutes after 9:00 a.m. for the ride to the Russell Senate Office Building, adjacent to the Capitol. Andi Ball, now my chief of staff at the White House; Domestic Policy Advisor Margaret Spellings; and I speculated about what could have happened: a small plane, a Cessna perhaps, running into one of those massive towers on this perfect September morning. We wondered too if Hillary Clinton might decide not to attend the committee briefing, since the World Trade Center was in New York. We were driving up Pennsylvania Avenue when word came that the South Tower had been hit. The car fell silent; we sat in mute disbelief. One plane might be a strange accident; two planes were clearly an attack. I thought about George and wondered if the Secret Service had already hustled him to the motorcade and begun the race to Air Force One to return home. Two minutes later, at 9:16 a.m., we pulled up at the entrance to the Russell Building. In the time it had taken to drive the less than two miles between the White House and the Capitol, the world as I knew it had irrevocably changed. Senator Kennedy was waiting to greet me, according to plan. We both knew when we met that the towers had been hit and, without a word being spoken, knew that there would be no briefing that morning. Together, we walked the short distance to his office. He began by presenting me with a limited-edition print; it was a vase of bright daffodils, a copy of a painting he had created for his wife, Victoria, and given to her on their wedding day. The print was inscribed to me and dated September 11, 2001. An old television was turned on in a corner of the room, and I glanced over to see the plumes of smoke billowing from the Twin Towers. Senator Kennedy kept his eyes averted from the screen. Instead he led me on a tour of his office, pointing out various pictures, furniture, pieces of memorabilia, even a framed note that his brother Jack had sent to their mother when he was a child, in which he wrote, “Teddy is getting fat.” The senator, who would outlive all his brothers by more than forty years, laughed at the note as he showed it to me, still finding it amusing. All the while, I kept glancing over at the glowing television screen. My skin was starting to crawl, I wanted to leave, to find out what was going on, to process what I was seeing, but I felt trapped in an endless cycle of pleasantries. It did not occur to me to say, “Senator Kennedy, what about the towers?” I simply followed his lead, and he may have feared that if we actually began to contemplate what had happened in New York, I might dissolve into tears. Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, the ranking Republican on the committee and one of our very good friends in the Senate—Judd had played Al Gore for George during mock debates at the ranch the previous fall—was also designated to escort me to the committee room, and he arrived just as I was completing the tour. Senator Kennedy invited us to sit on the couches, and he continued chatting about anything other than the horrific images unfolding on the tiny screen across the room. I looked around his shoulder but could see very little, and I was still trying to pay attention to him and the thread of his conversation. It seemed completely unreal, sitting in this elegant, sunlit office as an immense tragedy unfolded. We sat as human beings driven by smoke, flame, and searing heat jumped from the tops of the Twin Towers to end their lives and as firemen in full gear began the climb up the towers’ stairs. I have often wondered if the small talk that morning was Ted Kennedy’s defense mechanism, if after so much tragedy—the combat death of his oldest brother in World War II, the assassinations of his brothers Jack and Robert, and the deaths of nephews, including John Jr., whose body he identified when it was pulled from the cold, dark waters off Martha’s Vineyard—if after all of those things, he simply could not look upon another grievous tragedy. At about 9:45, after George had made a brief statement to the nation, which we watched, clustered around a small television that was perched on the receptionist’s desk, Ted Kennedy, Judd Gregg, and I walked out to tell reporters that my briefing had been postponed. I said, “You heard from the president this morning, and Senator Kennedy and Senator Gregg and I both join his statement in saying that our hearts and our prayers go out to the victims of this act of terrorism, and that our support goes to the rescue workers. And all of our prayers are with everyone there right now.” As I turned to exit, Laurence McQuillan of USA Today asked a question. “Mrs. Bush, you know, children are kind of struck by all this. Is there a message you could tell to the nation’s—” I didn’t even wait for him to finish but began, “Well, parents need to reassure their children everywhere in our country that they’re safe.” As we walked out of the briefing room, the cell phone of my advance man, John Meyers, rang. A friend told him that CNN was reporting that an airplane had crashed into the Pentagon. Within minutes, the order would be given to evacuate the White House and the Capitol. I walked back to Senator Kennedy’s office and then began moving quickly toward the stairs, to reach my car to return to the White House. Suddenly, the lead Secret Service agent turned to me and my staff and said that we needed to head to the basement immediately. We took off at a run; Judd Gregg suggested his private office, which was in the lower level and was an interior room. The Secret Service then told John that they were waiting for an Emergency Response Team to reach the Capitol. The team would take me, but my staff would be left behind. Overhearing the conversation, I turned back and said, “No, everyone is coming.” We entered Judd’s office, where I tried to call Barbara and Jenna, and Judd tried to call his daughter, who was in New York. Then we sat and talked quietly about our families and our worries for them, and the overwhelming shock we both felt. Sometime after 10:00 a.m., when the entire Capitol was being emptied, when White House staffers had fled barefoot and sobbing through the heavy iron gates with Secret Service agents shouting at them to “Run, run!” my agents collected me. They now included an additional Secret Service detail and an Emergency Response Team, dressed in black tactical clothing like a SWAT force and moving with guns drawn. As we raced through the dim hallways of the Russell Building, past panicked staffers emptying from their offices, the ERT team shouted “GET BACK” and covered my every move with their guns. We reached the underground entrance; the doors on the motorcade slammed shut, and we sped off. The Secret Service had decided to take me temporarily to their headquarters, located in a nondescript federal office building a few blocks from the White House. Following the Oklahoma City bombing, their offices had been reinforced to survive a large-scale blast. Outside our convoy windows, the city streets were clogged with people evacuating their workplaces and trying to reach their own homes. By the time I had reached my motorcade, Flight 93 had crashed in a Pennsylvania field and the west side of the Pentagon had begun to collapse. Judd Gregg walked alone to the underground Senate parking garage and retrieved his car, the last one left there. He pulled out of the garage and headed home, across the Fourteenth Street Bridge and past the Pentagon, thick with smoke and flame. In the intervening years, Judd and I, and many others, were left to contemplate what if Flight 93 had not been forced down by its passengers into an empty field; what if, shortly after 10:00 a.m., it had reached the Capitol Dome? We arrived at the Secret Service building via an underground entrance and were escorted first to the director’s office and then belowground to a windowless conference room with blank walls and a mustard yellow table. A large display screen with a constant TV feed took up most of one wall. Walking through the hallways, I saw a sign emblazoned with the emergency number 9-1-1. Had the terrorists thought about our iconic number when they picked this date and planned an emergency so overwhelming? For a while, I sat in a small area off the conference room, silently watching the images on television. I watched the replay as the South Tower of the World Trade Center roared with sound and then collapsed into a silent gray plume, offering my personal prayer to God to receive the victims with open arms. The North Tower had given way, live in front of my eyes, sending some 1,500 souls and 110 stories of gypsum and concrete buckling to the ground. So much happened during those terrible hours at the tip of Manhattan. That morning, as the people who worked in the towers descended, water from the sprinkler system was racing down the darkened stairwells. With their feet soaked, for some the greatest fear was that when they reached the bottom, the rushing water would be too high and they would be drowned. A few walked to safety under a canopy of skylights covered with the bodies of those who had jumped. Over two hundred people jumped to escape the heat, smoke, and flames. I was told that Father Mychal Judge, the chaplain for the New York City Fire Department, who had come to offer aid, comfort, and last rites, was killed that morning by the body of someone who had, in desperation, hurled himself from the upper floors of one of those towers. Video: Bush memoir to revisit 9/11, 2000 election The early expectation was for horrific numbers of deaths. Manhattan emergency rooms and hospitals as far away as Dallas were placed on Code Red, expecting to receive airlifted survivors. Some fifty thousand people worked inside the towers; on a beautiful day, as many as eighty thousand tourists would visit an observation deck on the South Tower’s 107th floor, where the vistas stretched for fifty miles. Had those hijacked planes struck the towers thirty or forty or fifty minutes later, the final toll might well have been in the tens of thousands. Inside Secret Service headquarters, I asked my staff to call their families, and I called the girls, who had been whisked away by Secret Service agents to secure locations. In Austin, Jenna had been awakened by an agent pounding on her dorm door. In her room at Yale, Barbara had heard another student sobbing uncontrollably a few doors down. Then I called my mother, because I wanted her to know that I was safe and I wanted so much to hear the sound of her voice. And I tried to reach George, but my calls could not get through; John Meyers, my advance man, promised to keep trying. I did know from the Secret Service that George had taken off from Florida, safe on board Air Force One. I knew my daughters and my mother were safe. But beyond that, everything was chaos. I was told that Barbara Olson, wife of Solicitor General Ted Olson, had been aboard the plane that hit the Pentagon. At one point, we also received word that Camp David had been attacked and hit. I began thinking of all the people who would have been there, like Bob Williams, the chaplain. Another report had a plane crashing into our ranch in Crawford. It got so that we were living in five-minute increments, wondering if a new plane would emerge from the sky and hit a target. All of us in that basement conference room and many more in the Secret Service building were relying on rumors and on whatever news came from the announcers on television. When there were reports of more errant planes or other targets, it was almost impossible not to believe them. George had tried to call me from Air Force One. It is stunning now to think that our “state-of-the-art” communications would not allow him to complete a phone call to Secret Service headquarters, or me to reach him on Air Force One. On my second call from the secure line, our third attempt, I was finally able to contact the plane, a little before twelve noon. I was grateful just to hear his voice, to know that he was all right, and to tell him the girls were fine. From the way he spoke, I could hear how starkly his presidency had been transformed. We remained in that drab conference room for hours, eventually turning off the repetitive horror of the images on the television. Inside, I felt a grief, a loss, a mourning like I had never known. A few blocks away, in the Chrysler offices near Pennsylvania Avenue, a group of White House senior staff began to gather. After the evacuation, some of those who were new to Washington had been wandering, dazed and shaken, in nearby Lafayette Park. By midafternoon, seventy staff members had congregated inside this office building, attempting to resume work, while Secret Service agents stood in the lobby and forbade anyone without a White House pass from entering. Key presidential and national security staff and Vice President Cheney were still sealed away in the small underground emergency center deep below the White House. As the skies and streets grew silent, there was a debate over what to do with George and what to do with me. The Secret Service detail told me to be prepared to leave Washington for several days at least. My assistant, Sarah Moss, was sent into the White House to gather some of my clothes. John Meyers accompanied her to retrieve Spot, Barney, and Kitty. Then we got word that the president was returning to Washington. I would be staying as well. Late in the afternoon, I spoke to George again. At 6:30 we got in a Secret Service caravan to drive to the White House. I gazed out the window; the city had taken on the cast of an abandoned movie set: the sun was shining, but the streets were deserted. We could not see a person on the sidewalk or any vehicles driving on the street. There was no sound at all except for the roll of our wheels over the ground. We drove at full throttle through the gate, and the agents hopped out. Heavily armed men in black swarmed over the grounds. Before I got out, one of my agents, Dave Saunders, who had been driving, turned around and said, “Mrs. Bush, I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry.” He said it with the greatest of concern and a hint of emotion in his voice. He knew what this day meant for us. I was hustled inside and downstairs through a pair of big steel doors that closed behind me with a loud hiss, forming an airtight seal. I was now in one of the unfinished subterranean hallways underneath the White House, heading for the PEOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, built for President Franklin Roosevelt during World War II. We walked along old tile floors with pipes hanging from the ceiling and all kinds of mechanical equipment. The PEOC is designed to be a command center during emergencies, with televisions, phones, and communications facilities. I was ushered into the conference room adjacent to the PEOC’s nerve center. It’s a small room with a large table. National Security Advisor Condi Rice, Counselor to the President Karen Hughes, Deputy Chief of Staff Josh Bolten, and Dick and Lynne Cheney were already there, where they had been since the morning. Lynne, whose agents had brought her to the White House just after the first attack, came over and hugged me. Then she said quietly into my ear, “The plane that hit the Pentagon circled the White House first.” I felt a shiver vibrate down my spine. Unlike the major monuments and even the leading government buildings in Washington, the White House sits low to the ground. It is a three-story building, tucked away in a downward slope toward the Potomac. When the White House was first built, visitors complained about the putrid scent rising from the river and the swampy grounds nearby. From the air, the White House is hard to see and hard to reach. A plane could circle it and find no plausible approach. And that is what Lynne Cheney told me had happened that morning, a little past 9:30, before Flight 77 crossed the river and thundered into the Pentagon. At 7:10 that night, George strode into the PEOC. Early that afternoon, he had conducted a secure videoconference from Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska with the CIA and FBI directors, as well as the military Joint Chiefs of Staff and the vice president and his national security staff, giving instructions and getting briefings on the latest information. Over the objections of the Secret Service, he had insisted upon returning home. We hugged and talked with the Cheneys a bit. Then the Secret Service detail suggested that we spend the night there, belowground. They showed us the bed, a foldout that looked like it had been installed when FDR was president. George and I stared at it, and we both said no, George adding, “We’re not going to sleep down here. We’re going to go upstairs and you can get us if something happens.” He said, “I’ve got to get sleep, in our own bed.” George was preparing to speak to the nation from the Oval Office, to reassure everyone and to show that the president was safely back in Washington, ready to respond. By 7:30 we were on our way up to the residence. I have no memory of having eaten dinner—George may have eaten on the plane. He tried to call the girls as soon as we were upstairs but couldn’t reach them. Barbara called back close to 8:00 p.m., and then George left to make remarks to the nation. We did finally climb into our own bed that night, exhausted and emotionally drained. Outside the doors of the residence, the Secret Service detail stood in their usual posts. I fell asleep, but it was a light, fitful rest, and I could feel George staring into the darkness beside me. Then I heard a man screaming as he ran, “Mr. President, Mr. President, you’ve got to get up. The White House is under attack.” We jumped up, and I grabbed a robe and stuck my feet into my slippers, but I didn’t stop to put in my contacts. George grabbed Barney; I grabbed Kitty. With Spot trailing behind, we started walking down to the PEOC. George had wanted to take the elevator, but the agents didn’t think it was safe, so we had to descend flight after flight of stairs, to the state floor, then the ground floor, and below, while I held George’s hand because I couldn’t see anything. My heart was pounding, and all I could do was count stairwell landings, trying to count off in my mind how many more floors we had to go. When we reached the PEOC, I saw the outline of a military sergeant unfolding the ancient hideaway bed and putting on some sheets. At that moment, another agent ran up to us and said, “Mr. President, it’s one of our own.” The plane was ours. For months afterward at night, in bed, we’d hear the military jets thundering overhead, traveling so fast that the ground below quivered and shook. They would make one pass and then, three or five minutes later, make another low-flying loop. I would fall asleep to the roar of the fighters in the skies, hearing in my mind those words, “one of our own.” There was a quiet security in that, in knowing that we slept beneath the watchful cover of our own. Waking the next morning, I had the sensation of knowing before my eyes opened that something terrible had happened, something beyond comprehension, and I wondered for a brief instant if it had all been a dream. Then I saw George, and I knew, knew that yesterday would be with us, each day, for all of our days to come. Excerpted from "Spoken from the Heart" by Laura Bush. Copyright © 2010 by Laura Bush. Excerpted with permission by Scribner, a Division of Simon & Schuster, Inc. © 2010 MSNBC Interactive URL: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36943246/ns/today-today_books/ MSN Privacy . Legal © 2010 MSNBC.com "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Well, according to this source:
Glad to oblige. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well, according to this source: Not only that, but it looks like the dish also ran away with the spoon: (Computer Simulation)
Heh, heh, heh, heh. Reminds me of "Popular Mechanics".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
George couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery or find his ass with a map and both hands. Whatever the shortcomings of Bush, and lo, they are legion, has nothing to do with the claptrap that you and aggravator and a few other folks try to foist off on us. Magicakal Jet Fuel™, Magickal Cell Phones™, bs "pilots" who can't fly a Cessna well enough to get a license yet fly big commercial aircraft like stunt planes. Buildings falling at near freefall speed into their own footprint. One of which was not impacted by any plane--and no steel-framed skyscraper has ever fallen due to fire, none before 9/11 and none since. uh huh. Get real, buck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't laugh, this is done by highly qualified scientists and experts. Are you a cartoonist? I didn't think so...
That seems to be the only explanation that makes any sense.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. My daughter heard two explosions, but she is not sure now how close they were. She was younger then, and scared out of her wits. I knew it was an inside job when I first heard the plane going over, since I had been forewarned by something Lyndon LaRouche had written back in May, 2001, I think. I remember reading the two Northern flights passed by military airports. I read that long after I read Carol Valentine's "Flight of the Bumble Plane" theory about Flight 77. It made a little blip in its flight pattern over Jay Rockefeller's West Virginia, but anyway, it wasn't far from the MILITARY-COMMERCIAL airport in Charles Town. I think possibly flight 77 was switched with the Skywarrior mid-air, flight 77 landed at the military airport, and as some have said, the passengers loaded onto Flight 93 [I don't have the timeline there, so I don't know if that fits], where it was subsequently shot down by the Happy Hooligans, who were on a special mission to Andrews Air Force Base [which SHOULD have been protecting the Pentagon and DC, but whose pilots were sent on another mission out of town], and who were rewarded with a medal by Congress for their deed [they probably thought they were doing good....wonder if they're still alive today?]. Some people think, since all the planes were only 1/3 full, that all the passengers were loaded onto Flight 93. Some think the planes were sent over the ocean, where the Navy was doing drills that day to shoot down enemy aircraft. [They might have thought they were shooting holographic images!] What a shame all that creativity couldn't have been put to better use, bettering mankind, instead of destroying it.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I noticed she didn't mention the "grievous tragedy" that Teddy perpetrated at Chappaquidick. Or her own, where she ran over her boyfriend and killed him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Wait a minute, haven't the CT's informed us of the prefab death camps ready to be rolled out any day now? Think "they" did a trial run on a few recalcitrant bean counters that weren't whacked by the American Airlines Flight 77 non-crash back in '01 ? < /snicker>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
More bs. That plane was shot down as evidenced by the fact that one piece of an engine, weighing about a ton, was found something like 2,000 YARDS away from the crash site. That is more than a mile and that piece of an engine was not a rubber ball. People should know at least some of what they're talking about or not include speculation in their books about what can only be labeled as government propaganda. Ill-informed and unbelievable propaganda at that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I know, I know ... she didn't talk about ALOT of things about that 9/11 morning..... such as GWBush's hemorrhoids ... her own vaginal chaffing ... Jenna's tongue, Cheney's daily phone call ... blah blah blah.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Hmmm.
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he DID more than likely go along with it.
I like the knee_slapper about the FEMA caskets; that one is the best.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I guess they could have prosecuted George for treason. Don't know what they could have done with her.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This is ripe, man. I haven't had so many laffs in my life in so little time ........ Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't recall anyone saying George planned anything and I know I haven't said it. I have said that it is obvious he went along with the plan. But planned it? No.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I can't say that I have sorted it all out, but you are right in that a lot of thought and planning had to go into this event. It was probably several years in the works. It almost would have had to have been, because of the logistics of setting up the demolition charges without anyone noticing. The choice of targets is telling too. While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible. Those planes flew over several nuclear plants and an impact into one of them would have created havoc for hundreds of miles around and killed many thousands of people indirectly through radiation exposure. The areas around the plants would have been uninhabitable for more than a century. If he wanted to hit symbols why choose the Pentagon when in the same area you have the Capitol Dome and the White House - much more potent as symbols and much more devastating than carefully hitting the one spot in the Pentagram that had just been hardened, was on the opposite side of the building from all the Brass, and contained the Audits Unit that was researching the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars? The same with Bldg. 7 which housed the SEC's investigation of shenanigans on Wall Street and would have been the unit to investigate the highly suspicious Put Option sales in the week before 911. There was definitely something of misdirection at the Pentagram but with the confiscation of all surveillance videos, and hiding them under lock and key, exactly what was done is left open to only circumstantial analysis which the Spooks can try to confuse and invalidate through disinformation antics. Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It sounds like Laura wasn't clued in. Genesis 9:8 And God spoke to NOAH and his sons..... Genesis 9:11 THUS I ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH YOU: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth..... See the NOAHIDE LAW and its relationship to 911 at Carol Valentine's "Merry Christmas AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD". They have rejected the covenant with Christ [whose b'day is also on 9-11].
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You would have thought that GWBush (while fucking his own wife on 9/10/2001 ... the night before 9/11) would have said something to the effect: "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed? Ya think Shrub swore fealty to Satan, while a member of that Yale frat that had Geronomo's skull?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The choice of targets is telling too. While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible. Those planes flew over several nuclear plants and an impact into one of them would have created havoc for hundreds of miles around and killed many thousands of people indirectly through radiation exposure. The areas around the plants would have been uninhabitable for more than a century. If he wanted to hit symbols why choose the Pentagon when in the same area you have the Capitol Dome and the White House - much more potent as symbols and much more devastating than carefully hitting the one spot in the Pentagram that had just been hardened, was on the opposite side of the building from all the Brass, and contained the Audits Unit that was researching the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars? The same with Bldg. 7 which housed the SEC's investigation of shenanigans on Wall Street and would have been the unit to investigate the highly suspicious Put Option sales in the week before 911. There was definitely something of misdirection at the Pentagram but with the confiscation of all surveillance videos, and hiding them under lock and key, exactly what was done is left open to only circumstantial analysis which the Spooks can try to confuse and invalidate through disinformation antics. Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion. Good post, OI.
This is another thing I have thought about. Why didn't Osama, he of the Magickal Cell Phone™, know that if the attacks happened an hour or so later that they would have killed far more people? Doesn't it make sense, if the goal is to create terror, to take out as many people as possible? A couple of hours later the death toll might easily have passed 50,000. The only way they could have done less damage would have been to have stolen a plane at an airport at 3 in the morning and killed the cleaning crew when the plane(s) hit the buildings. But then, Osama sitting over there in his cave, had about as much to do with that as Oswald did in Kennedy's murder. He was a convenient patsy, the best enemy money could buy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What cover-up?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I watch very few movies--probably fewer than you do--and as for video games, I play some pinball on my computer. So I guess you are not that good at guessing about other folks' activities.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. There is no question about it.... the ye ol' Skull&Bones club stikes again... meanwhile, tens of thousands of Washington DC bureaucrats attempted to escape to their appointed bunkers ..... What happened? The lazy bureaucrats were fearful for their own lives (WE ARE GOING TO DIE!) ALL at the same time and flooded the freeway systems into Virgina and West Virginia because of their panick and otherwise hysteric antics. They were grid-locked. And the minuscule numbers that made it to the bunkers.... half of them were refused access...... because they weren't authorized even though their bosses told them to do so. ROTFL ... this fucking government can't plan anything more than a water cooler in an air-conditioned office so the bureaucrats can chit-chat about their benfits all day.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The one either deliberately or inadvertantly perpetrated by people such as you that spin tales of impossible feats, reciting the fable given to the sheep from up high, and ridicule any real facts concerning the events of September 11, 2001.
What are you saying, that you think Dubya had the smarts to plan it himself, or that he would if he could?
I'd be more inclined to view his poppy as one of the planners.
See post #265, this thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The fact that the government instantly blamed bin Laden, and had the identities of the "hijackers" the same day (even though many of them are actually still alive), along with the fact they made no effort to investigate whether explosives were used in the towers, indicates an inside job. Terrorists have traditionally utilized explosives to make their point, and to ridicule and deride any mention of possible explosives wreaks of cover-up. As far as the Pentagon attack, a real terrorist would have dove down into the TOP of the Pentagon, splashing as much fuel over the entire structure as possible. The entire building, or at least a good portion of it, would have been engulfed in flames. But no, it performs a military fighter jet manuever to AVOID the high value targets (ie, Rumsfeld office and those of other high up brass), flys at tree- top level for a mile, then performs a physically impossible manuever to hit the most reinforced section dead-on. Oh no, nothing to see here, you're a KOOK if you think some imcompetent pilot who couldn't fly a Cessna didn't do all that.
I'm sure the people who were in on the plan knew where to go.
George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
...But like the mass of Washingtonians, officials from other agencies found themselves virtually on their own, unsure of where to go or what to do, or whom to contact for the answers. What happened? The lazy bureaucrats were fearful for their own lives (WE ARE GOING TO DIE!) ALL at the same time and flooded the freeway systems into Virgina and West Virginia because of their panick and otherwise hysteric antics. They were grid-locked. And the minuscule numbers that made it to the bunkers.... half of them were refused access...... because they weren't authorized even though their bosses told them to do so. Good find. And even here, not one of any USG people who felt hung out to dry on 911, and may have had inklings into the " Mother of All Conspiracies and Cover Ups" has come forward even on deep background to any one of the Twoofersites. And where's Professor Theologian David Ray Griffin to supply sorely needed org charts and project schedules, showing the principalities, powers, human agents, and pending actions of carrying out the Devil's Work on the unsuspecting American publick?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him. My ass. He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all. You paint him as some senile old geriatric, where he's still very much in form for his age. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft? Sense of duty to his clan, money, power, greed.
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Laura Bush recalls 9/11 panic at White House
updated 9:15 a.m. ET, Wed., May 5, 2010
#236. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#233)
They might as well have him argue that "the Cow really did jump over the Moon".
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#237. To: buckeroo (#224)
#238. To: wudidiz (#236)
#239. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, All (#236)
They might as well have him argue that "the Cow really did jump over the Moon".
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#240. To: wudidiz (#239)
#241. To: buckeroo (#235)
GWBush couldn't find her there was so much pandemonium.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#242. To: Original_Intent (#240)
eh, heh, heh, heh. Reminds me of "Popular Mechanics".
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#243. To: Original_Intent, Former Lurker (#234)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#244. To: Original_Intent (#34)
Taken as valid that would seem to validate the "David Copperfield" scenario wherein the plane is flown over the building and then another object hits or demolition charges are set off - patterned to make it look like a hit. The key factor being, of course, the timing. The "hit"/"explosion" would have to occur perhaps a second ahead of the actual overflight thus creating the illusion the plane hit. Then of course they just ditch, or land it and then whack the witnesses (passengers).
#245. To: buckeroo (#235)
I have often wondered if the small talk that morning was Ted Kennedy’s defense mechanism, if after so much tragedy—the combat death of his oldest brother in World War II, the assassinations of his brothers Jack and Robert, and the deaths of nephews, including John Jr., whose body he identified when it was pulled from the cold, dark waters off Martha’s Vineyard—if after all of those things, he simply could not look upon another grievous tragedy.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#246. To: buckeroo (#229)
(Edited)
On the morning of 9/11 are you or anyone aware of what happened in Washington DC for evacuation planning and execution for the bureaucrats?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#247. To: James Deffenbach (#241)
George couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery or find his ass with a map and both hands.
#248. To: buckeroo (#235)
In the intervening years, Judd and I, and many others, were left to contemplate what if Flight 93 had not been forced down by its passengers into an empty field;
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#249. To: James Deffenbach (#245)
I noticed she didn't mention the "grievous tragedy" that Teddy perpetrated at Chappaquidick. Or her own, where she ran over her boyfriend and killed him.
#250. To: buckeroo (#235)
At that moment, another agent ran up to us and said, “Mr. President, it’s one of our own.” The plane was ours.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#251. To: buckeroo (#247)
Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#252. To: AGAviator (#246)
Wait a minute, haven't the CT's informed us of the prefab death camps ready to be rolled out any day now?
#253. To: buckeroo (#235)
As the skies and streets grew silent, there was a debate over what to do with George and what to do with me.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#254. To: FormerLurker (#251)
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he [GWBush] DID more than likely go along with it.
#255. To: buckeroo (#247)
Yeah ... but he planned the successful 9/11 disaster to make way for Afghanistan and Iraq failures didn't he?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#256. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#244)
#257. To: James Deffenbach, FormerLurker (#255)
I don't recall anyone saying George planned anything and I know I haven't said it. I have said that it is obvious he went along with the plan. But planned it? No.
#258. To: buckeroo (#235)
Walking through the hallways, I saw a sign emblazoned with the emergency number 9-1-1. Had the terrorists thought about our iconic number when they picked this date and planned an emergency so overwhelming?
#259. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#258)
It sounds like Laura wasn't clued in.
Honey, tomorrow I am going to read about Goat's in Florida to a pile of Negroe children in kindergarten. While I am away .... you just might die because of a plan to destroy the WhiteHouse and the Pentagon. Don't worry about me though.... my book is read up-side-down!
#260. To: buckeroo (#254)
Nobody is saying he planned it, but he [GWBush] DID more than likely go along with it.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#261. To: Original_Intent (#256)
I can't say that I have sorted it all out, but you are right in that a lot of thought and planning had to go into this event. It was probably several years in the works. It almost would have had to have been, because of the logistics of setting up the demolition charges without anyone noticing.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#262. To: Original_Intent (#256)
While the cover story has been put out that for some strange reason Bin Laden wanted to destroy "symbols" of the west it just does not add up. The psychology is wrong. A terrorist wants to create as much mayhem and havoc as possible.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#263. To: Original_Intent (#256)
The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
#264. To: buckeroo (#257)
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#265. To: AGAviator (#260)
Ya think Shrub swore fealty to Satan, while a member of that Yale frat that had Geronomo's skull?
On 9/11, the program was put to the test -- and failed. Not on the national security side: Vice President Cheney and others in the national security leadership were smoothly whisked away from the capital following procedures overseen by the Pentagon and the White House Military Office. But like the mass of Washingtonians, officials from other agencies found themselves virtually on their own, unsure of where to go or what to do, or whom to contact for the answers.
#266. To: buckeroo (#263)
What cover-up?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#267. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#257)
I can't believe this but I will say ... both you and FormerLurker.... play too many video games and watch too many Hollywood movies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#268. To: buckeroo (#254)
Was his poppa in on it too? About his brother, Jed?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#269. To: FormerLurker, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, James Deffenbach (#267)
#270. To: Original_Intent, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#256)
Without getting bogged down in the minutiae of the technical details, which the PsyOps crowd is busy trying to make as confusing as possible, one can just step back and looking at the totality of the observed events and the actions of the players and say SOMETHING STINKS. And it stinks real bad. The only rational conclusion is that the events of 911 were conducted with the foreknowledge and aid of persons very high in our government. The cover-up alone, after the fact, tells us there is collusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#271. To: buckeroo (#265)
ROTFL ... this fucking government can't plan anything more than a water cooler in an air-conditioned office so the bureaucrats can chit-chat about their benfits all day.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#272. To: FormerLurker (#268)
I'd be more inclined to view his poppy as one of the planners.
#273. To: buckeroo (#265)
The ye ol' Skull&Bones club stikes again... meanwhile, tens of thousands of Washington DC bureaucrats attempted to escape to their appointed bunkers .....
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#274. To: buckeroo (#272)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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