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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#295. To: FormerLurker (#280)
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. How fucking lame are YOU, master of projection, where you not only believe in impossible faery tales, but you continue to call people who are infinintly more sane and intelligent than yourself "6 percenters". Get over yourself, most REAL surveys indicate at least a third of Americans (33% for the math challenged) feel that 9/11 was an "inside job".
Who cares? Does he or his comments change the fact that skyscrappers simply CAN NOT fall into their own footprint at close to free fall speed? The answer is no, it does not change a thing.
And?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Seems like you were placing the blame on the Palestinians, just like your good buddies the Israeli Mossad had tried to do...
What happened to your "dancing MOSSAD" squadron? Detained for five months? Hmmmm. [edit: apparently the "planners" had a hole in their respective shoes]
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Your 2 statements have been extensively and conclusively debunked. The buildings fell into their own footprints because absent a sideways pushing/pulling force exceeding their entire mass of the falling sections, and cabable of acting within a few seconds, they only major, mega scale force capable of acting on the entire structures at the same time was gravity, which would attempt to pull them straight down, as gravity is known to do. The buildings took about 8-9 seconds past computed free fall speed, so that claim is DOA to any serious observer.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The fact that they had their cameras setup BEFORE the first impact, high fived each other and lit their Bics in celebration after the planes struck the towers, and tried to setup the blame on Palestinians by phoning in a bomb scare at the Holland Tunnel, and being caught with explosives in their van once their plan backfired, I'd say there's something there. It's even more informative that they were released after high level "officials" worked on their behalf.
Why were they let "off the hook" then?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Here again buckie you show your ignorance and susceptibility for accepting PsyOps as true. Oh, it is Palestinians cheering, but the problem is out of context spin put on it. There have also been a couple of debates as to the source of the footage i.e., whether it is Palestinians cheering the invasion of Kuwait or at a Soccer Match. The prime source for debunking that is the now discredited Snopes - which has a Democrat/Israeli bias. However it IS real footage - just not of ALL Palestinians cheering the 911 attack, but of SOME Palestinians cheering. Not that I would blame them if they did given that the U.S. is the prime provider for the weaponry the Israhellis use to murder their children and shoot farmers in their fields. Every time a round lands in a Palestinian child it might as well have "made in the U.S.A. stamped on it. Likely it was pushed in part because of the 5 Dancing Israeli's and Netanyahu's comment that the attack was "good for Israel". More planted disinformation to support the cover legend for the PsyOp and distract people from other telling information. Tell me buckie, are you as upset by the Cheering Israelis filming the event, which they had to have known about in advance to be set up to film it, as you are over a few Palestinians cheering their oppressor's sponsor getting comeuppance? Look at it from their point of view. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but walk a mile in their moccasins.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I bet you never even took high school physics did you. An object ALWAYS takes the path of least resistance. If a corner of the floors below the upper section had started to buckle and give way, the top of the tower would have tumbled and slid off the lower structure in that direction. As far as the top of the structure falling STRAIGHT DOWN (the path of GREATEST RESISTANCE), it would have taken more than 1 second to demolish all of the floors below the damaged section, which is the time it took since it only took about 1 extra second for the top of the building to hit the ground than if it had fallen through thin air. Yeah right, keep believing that faery tale if it makes you happy, just don't go killing innocent people over it. Oh that's right, we have to go "kill them there" so that we won't have to "fight them here". What utter insanity.
Go ask Cheney.
I have made the BIG_TIME!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
My ass. He's still playing golf and walking around with no problems at all. You paint him as some senile old geriatric, where he's still very much in form for his age. Why do you think he would give a damn about some fucked upped plot to kill and maim thousands of innocent Americans? Are you daft? Sense of duty to his clan, money, power, greed. Hell! My Grandfather didn't even retire till he was 85 - said the 12 hour days were getting a "little long". In his 90's he was still playing winning Poker and skinning geezers 20 years his junior. Age is relative. some people are old at 60 and some are young at 90.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Where was he for five months? Golfing? Playing Canasta? Eating steak and potatoes increasing his cholesterol while planning his heart valve for yesterday?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Wasn't keeping tabs on his whereabouts, sorry. Thing is, the local FBI were holding them on REALLY good reasons, it was "higher authority" who eventually cut them loose.
Due to the unique central column and "tube in a tube" design of the WTC towers, its building floors were 95% air, which makes down the path of least resistance except for getting rid of some air pockets equally in all directions. This means gravity acting on building components will pull the the building floors and walls straight down. Or as Thomas Eager put it, Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down. pnwed. Your high school grade in Physics is "F," clown.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see. And the CIA (whose charter is ALL about international subterfuge one way or another) had nothing to do with it? I guess you don't remember how fucked-upped the CIA's substantial reports on Iraq's WMD was, correct? Man .... get off of it. This nation is run by clowns voted into office by morons looking for a handout. And the people that have a job to do don't know their asses from a hole in the ground (to use a popular cliché)beyond what they were taught in college and yet you think ANYONE in America is running some sort of clandestine operation/tyranny against Americans? To do so, takes brains .... otherwise known as intellectual capability. The best most bureaucrats can come up with is drool on their own sheepskins as they fell asleep in class for four years.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The CIA was ordered to rewrite their reports, because they didn't say what Cheney wanted them to say. In fact, he STILL wasn't satisified and had Rumsfeld create his own intel agency, the Office of Special Plans, which wrote the sort of reports that Cheney wanted to see.
You imbecile, those towers held and supported the entire weight of the structure, they weren't just a deck of cards like you uneducated fools imagine them to be. If they were as fragile as you claim, they would never have supported their own weight, and would have fallen over with the first slight gust of wind. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. Huh? Is this guy so fucking stupid he never watched the actual collapse where the majority of the building was pulverized into dust and ejected laterally? Keep believing your kook doctors pal, I'm sure they'll fix you up good.
Your high school grade in Physics is "F," clown. You "pnwed" yourself, displaying to everyone here how stupid and gullible you are. The floors did NOT pancake, and there is NO evidence that they did. They were PULVERIZED into dust, such that the majority of the kinetic energy was spent doing so, where there would NOT have been sufficient energy to collapse the undamaged section of the towers, at LEAST not at free fall velocity. People such as you depend on the fact Americans are some of the dumbest people on Earth in terms of math and science these days in comparison to other industrialized nations.
So what happened to Paul Wolfowitz? He later got the fuck out of the Defense Department under Donny Rumsfeld (both at the Pentagon on 9/11 BTW) and was selected by that dumbshit GWBush to head the WorldBank. Why did Wolfowitz quit the Defense Department? He fucked-upped his make-believe slogan.... "the Iraqi's [shall] be throwing flowers at the feet of our troops in Iraq." Wolfowitz later resigned the WB because he was a literal FUCKUP giving untold hundreds of thousands to his prostitutes, whom he worked with.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I just finished quoting Thomas Eager, Full Professor, full professor PhD of Materials Science and Engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who explicitly says, Post your CV. Let's see which of the two of you is one of the "dumbest people on Earth in terms of math and science these days," you silly little dickwad. pwned again.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup, Wolfowitz went from one failure to another. It's all on the record.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How much money does he get from federal grants? BTW, technology is spelt technology, not tecchololoy. Did you graduate elementary school?
No question about it. And some of these posters believe in the capability of US government to plan and execute tyranny? Man, I would rather believe in the Easter bunny working on a Sunday morning delivering chocolate eggs for the good little kiddies.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Heading the World Bank was his reward, where he could pull the strings that he needed to pull to satisy both himself AND his master's wishes.
I bet you do. You believe in other impossible stories, so why not that one as well...
And how many people and time did it take to wire and manage the wiring of the 3 WTC structures, among the largest buildings in the world, with anywhere from 10 to 100 tons of nanothermate per Niels Harritt, k00k emeritus? Let's see, you've never met Niels Harrit, don't know Niels Harrit and at no time have you disproven his science. And yet you feel qualified to personally attack him, while at no time have you ever refuted him. Of course that seems about par for you, as you seem to rely more on nasty comments and personal attacks than anything else. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. While it would be nice to know when and how the demolition charges were placed it is not necessary to know that to observe the manner in which the buildings collapsed conforms in all important particulars to a controlled demolition. To demand a complete solution is nothing more than a disinformation tactic to divert from the observed events and their similarity to a controlled demolition. Unsupported assertion. Workers were in fact prevented from examining the debris and there was NO Forensic Engineering Examination of the debris. Mayor Ghouliani specifically forbade the taking of any "unauthorized" photographs and used security guards to enforce the edict. The wreckage, particularly the structural steel, was kept under armed guard until it was shipped quickly out of the country before an Engineering Forensics Examination could be made, conveniently, to China. And the debris was sold to China at sub-market rates of $120 a ton when the Market rate, at that time, was $150 per ton. Demolition Access to the WTC Towers: Part Four – Cleanup Excerpt: The recycling of the most important steel evidence was done in a hurry, as indicated by the US House Committee on Science report mentioned earlier. It was done so fast, in fact, that the City took much less than market value for the scrap metal. At the time, steel scrap was selling for $150 per ton, but those in charge of the WTC cleanup took just $120 per ton for the WTC steel. 75 It’s not difficult to see that the $9 million lost in that transaction would have been useful to the many 9/11 first responders who have since become sick and are dying from their exposure to toxins at Ground Zero. ..." I am greatly amused. You keep repeating over and over again that Osama Ben Forgotten was a scary scary bad man. Granted. He was a scary scary bad man who worked for the CIA as a Contract Agent. Something you keep conveniently forgetting. Imagine that. You forgetting to mention that the scary scary guerrilla leader worked for U.S. Intelligence despite having been frequently reminded of that FACT. (Quick note: I know vocabulary is not your bag but guerrilla is spelled with two "r's".) Now where was I? Oh, yeah you keeping repeating the propaganda tag lines without ever showing how Osama Ben Goldstein had access to NORAD, was able to control the clean up at Ground Zero, hired the Dancing Israelis to film his great achievment, or anything else other than huffing and puffing that he did. And all that despite the fact that the FBI does not list 911 on his "Most Wanted" Flyer. Imagine that. The FBI does not list 911 as one of Osama Ben Goldstein's great achievements. I think you should write them a stern letter and let them know.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I bet you and your goon squad would just that wouldn't you, cumbreath.
If there is nothing in its way. But on 9/11 most of that 500,000 ton structure was in the way. The proven laws of physics aren't lying, those buildings were brought down with planted explosives.
God is always good!
Name them ... even if you can't link 'em.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Your silly little attempts to attack me instead of my post contents shows you for the mentally bankrupt denying forumtroll you are. However even if you were to totally invalidate me, you wouldn't have advanced proof of your own silly cause in the slightest, with the result being you and your fellowk00ks would be in a "we don't really know what happened" scenario. Get some mental help loser. Your brain needs to clear out all the garbage k00ksite word dump clutter it's holding onto.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There. Fixed it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yes, OBL was not just a scary or bad man, he was the epitome of EVIL. Now, just because someone works for the CIA (from time to time) doesn't mean that the CIA has any "brains." Have you heard about that Iranian nuclear scientist paid $5M by the CIA .... for publick knowledge? Yeah, the guy is going home to Iran, in a hero's welcome!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Tell it to Eager. He said because of 500,000 tons of inertia, there was no way for the WTC towers to go except down and into the building footprint.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A) A skyscraper can FALL into its own footprint at near free fall velocity without using controlled explosives. Did I miss anything?
The 500,000 tons of inertia was RESISTING the falling section, genius.
It's obvious that you've pulled out all stops and are spewing the most idiotic bullshit there is on the net, where a 110 story building is nothing but a huge deck of cards waiting for the slightest breeze to make it all fall down. Stop projecting your faults.
True. False. These terrorists loved American freedoms. In fact, prior to 9/11 several were sited at titty bars, getting drunk and having all kinds of porno .... they were just like the good 'ol boys you may know. Never-the-less, they hated America because of support for Israel and the increasing problems in Palestine. True. Got anymore?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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#296. To: AGAviator (#294)
How fucking lame, even for a Six Percenter loser like you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#297. To: AGAviator (#294)
Harritt is the lead author of the only so called "peer reviewed" publication of "911 studies" ever published - the hole in the wall Dhubai "Open Chemical Physics Journal " which someone paid $800 to get into print.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#298. To: FormerLurker (#291)
#299. To: buckeroo (#298)
And?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#300. To: FormerLurker (#299)
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just like your good buddies the Israeli Mossad had tried to do...
#301. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#297)
Who cares? Does he or his comments change the fact that skyscrappers simply CAN NOT fall into their own footprint at close to free fall speed?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#302. To: buckeroo (#300)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#303. To: FormerLurker (#302)
The fact that they had their cameras setup BEFORE the first impact, high fived each other and lit their Bics in celebration after the planes struck the towers, and tried to setup the blame on Palestinians by phoning in a bomb scare at the Holland Tunnel, and being caught with explosives in their van once their plan backfired, I'd say there's something there.
#304. To: buckeroo (#285)
#305. To: AGAviator (#301)
The buildings fell into their own footprints because absent a sideways pushing/pulling force
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#306. To: buckeroo (#303)
Why were they let "off the hook" then?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#307. To: Original_Intent, **4um PSY-OP Club** (#304)
Here again buckie you show your ignorance and susceptibility for accepting PsyOps as true.
#308. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, all (#274)
George Herbert Walker Bush was born on June 12, 1924. When September 11, 2001 occurred .... that would have made him 75 years old. He could hardly rock in a chair without the hand of his momma (err ... wife ... Barbara) behind him.
#309. To: FormerLurker (#306)
#310. To: buckeroo (#309)
Where was he for five months? Golfing? Playing Canasta? Eating steak and potatoes increasing his cholesterol while planning his heart valve for yesterday?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#311. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#305)
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I bet you never even took high school physics did you. An object ALWAYS takes the path of least resistance
If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#312. To: FormerLurker (#310)
Thing is, the local FBI were holding them on REALLY good reasons, it was "higher authority" who eventually cut them loose.
#313. To: buckeroo (#312)
I guess you don't remember how fucked-upped the CIA's substantial reports on Iraq's WMD was, correct?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#314. To: AGAviator (#311)
Due to the unique central column and "tube in a tube" design of the WTC towers, its building floors were 95% air, which makes down the path of least resistance except for getting rid of some air pockets equally in all directions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#315. To: AGAviator (#311)
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pnwed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#316. To: FormerLurker (#313)
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Office of Special Plans
#317. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#315)
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People such as you depend on the fact Americans are some of the dumbest people on Earth in terms of math and science
A 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down..
Eager happens to have 14 patents and over 200 real "peer-reviewed publications."
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#318. To: buckeroo (#316)
Wolfowitz later resigned the WB because he was a literal FUCKUP giving untold hundreds of thousands to his prostitutes, whom he worked with.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#319. To: AGAviator (#317)
I just finished quoting Thomas Eager, Full Professor, full professor PhD of Materials Science and Engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Tecchololgy, who explicitly says,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#320. To: AGAviator (#318)
Yup, Wolfowitz went from one failure to another. It's all on the record.
#321. To: buckeroo (#316)
So what happened to Paul Wolfowitz? He later got the fuck out of the Defense Department under Donny Rumsfeld (both at the Pentagon on 9/11 BTW) and was selected by that dumbshit GWBush to head the WorldBank. Why did Wolfowitz quit the Defense Department?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#322. To: buckeroo (#320)
I would rather believe in the Easter bunny working on a Sunday morning delivering chocolate eggs for the good little kiddies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#323. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, all (#283)
You two act as if the ENTIRE body of government would have to have known about the operation, whereas only a handful of top people around the country would have to have known
Along the setting up a complex undetactable advanced detonation system of which not a single shred has ever been found or photographed at any of the NYC crash sites?
#324. To: AGAviator (#317)
Post your CV. Let's see which of the two of you is one of the "dumbest people on Earth in terms of math and science these days," you silly little dickwad
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#325. To: AGAviator (#317)
A 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down..
#326. To: FormerLurker (#322)
You believe in other impossible stories
#327. To: FormerLurker (#324)
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I bet you and your goon squad would just that
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#328. To: Original_Intent (#323)
And all that despite the fact that the FBI does not list 911 on his "Most Wanted" Flyer. Imagine that. The FBI does not list 911 as one of Osama Ben Goldstein's great achievements. I think you should write them a stern letter and
let them know rebuke them.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#329. To: Original_Intent (#323)
I am greatly amused. You keep repeating over and over again that Osama Ben Forgotten was a scary scary bad man. Granted. He was a scary scary bad man who worked for the CIA as a Contract Agent.
#330. To: RickyJ (#325)
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If there is nothing in its way. But on 9/11 most of that 500,000 ton structure was in the way
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#331. To: buckeroo (#326)
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Name them ... even if you can't link 'em.
B) 19 mad arabs, who hated us for our freedoms, twarted all US intelligence agencies, plotted and executed simultaneous aerial attacks upon key US landmarks, including the hub of the US financial district in New York, and the hub of the US military in Washington DC, while evading US defenses for over an hour. Oh, and they also survived the crashes and are alive and well.
C) An inept student pilot who couldn't fly a single engine Cessna was able to commandeer and navigate a large heavy multi-engine commercial airliner, plotting a course from no specific point over Ohio to Washington DC at 35,000 feet, descend and turn the aircraft similar to a military fighter jet, fly the aircraft at treetop level for about a mile at over 400 mph, and defy the laws of physics and aerodynamics by bringing the aircraft down to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph and impacting the Pentagon dead-on.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#332. To: AGAviator (#330)
He said because of 500,000 tons of inertia, there was no way for the WTC towers to go except down and into the building footprint.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#333. To: AGAviator (#327)
Get some mental help loser. Your brain needs to clear out all the garbage k00ksite word dump clutter it's holding onto.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#334. To: FormerLurker (#331)
A) A skyscraper can FALL into its own footprint at near free fall velocity without using controlled explosives.
B) 19 mad arabs, who hated us for our freedoms, twarted all US intelligence agencies, plotted and executed simultaneous aerial attacks upon key US landmarks, including the hub of the US financial district in New York, and the hub of the US military in Washington DC, while evading US defenses for over an hour. Oh, and they also survived the crashes and are alive and well.
C) An inept student pilot who couldn't fly a single engine Cessna was able to commandeer and navigate a large heavy multi-engine commercial airliner, plotting a course from no specific point over Ohio to Washington DC at 35,000 feet, descend and turn the aircraft similar to a military fighter jet, fly the aircraft at treetop level for about a mile at over 400 mph, and defy the laws of physics and aerodynamics by bring the aircraft down to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph and impact the Pentagon dead-on.
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