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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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URL Source: http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/285492999/flt77fdr
Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#1. To: Original_Intent, abraxas, HAPPY2BME-4UM, wudidiz, Twenty Twelve, Horse, Lod, christine, ALL (#0)
Anybody ever hear of this before?
So what are YOUR thoughts on this?
Anybody see this before?
The black box wasn't on a 757 that hit the pentagon.
Thanks for posting this.
It looks like this article was published in December 2009. It has taken awhile to get much exposure. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment. This is bothersome when we all know this administration has committed to "transparency" ... I'd like to see some verification of the contents of this FDR from the NTSB. All of that being said, isn't it a bit ridiculous for a commercial jet that was known to be hijacked for an hour and a half to be left alone to hit the Pentagon ?
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces
no but I did hear about an 'indestructable passport'.
Thing is, if the cockpit door remained closed the entire flight, then the aircraft wasn't hijacked.
I have always been of the opinion that the planes were flown by remote control. I think there may have been A-Rab contract agents on the planes thinking their mission was to hijack the planes they were on ... but they were expendable pawns. Dov Zakheim (Comptroller of the Pentagon) had formerly been the CEO of System Planning ... a company that developed, installed and maintained remote control devices for large aircraft. (Just saying ... ) System Planning had a subsidiary company, TRI-DATA, that was contracted to do the clean up after the 1st Trade Center attack ... mmm had opportunity to plan for the next WTC event (9-11).
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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New to me as well, I just found it by looking up a bit of info in regards to the Pentagon aircraft wreckage, and stumbled across it. We have AGAviator to thank, without his prodding I wouldn't have found it.
I haven't paid attention to him or his fans for quite some time. I never really liked him, he seemed to me like a big fat blowhard from the first time I saw him on TV.
Anybody see this before? ============================================== Not come across this one before.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack” Once again a CT site fails to report all the information, holding back full disclosure of facts that will fail to support wild non-hijacking theories. Thereby serving as an instigator for conflict between Six Percenters hardliners and the much larger "certain elements within USG allowed 911 to happen" group. The flight data recorder was at least partially melted, and not only did not indicate any movement of Flight 75's cabin door on September 11, it also did not show any movement for 40 hours and 11 flights prior to Flight 75 on September 11. Why aren't the CT sites saying this? This information was submitted as evidence at the Massoui trial in Virginia. Why aren't the weasely "Scholars" and "Truthers" disclosing it? The NTSB reported that "The majority of the recording tape was fused into a solid block of charred plastic." No usable segments of tape were found inside the recorder.[85] The Flight Data Recorder failed to record certain parameters with certainty. Among the uncertain parameters was the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anybody ever hear of this before? Not sure. I might have run into it, in passing, in another article, but am not sure. However, regardless, it is a datum which in its singularity refutes the entire government "Official Conspiracy Theory™". {For AGGravator - "singularity" means "all by itself" with overtones of it being unusual or anomalous (anomalous means something not normally expected).}
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The problem you run into with your phony debunker web site data is that: A. Pilots for 911 Truth is made up of Commercial Pilots and Accident Investigators. B. They used the data released by the NTSB. I think at this point it is quite clear that you are most likely a paid operative.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Isn't it just so awful that all these intelligent and well educated people refuse to believe the gubbermint and insist on forming conclusions based on the evidence. Of course you are paid to try and explain all the evidence away as something else. What's your back up career? Guard in a Snuff Camp?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Absolutely. I'm pretty sure it works for CENTCOM. Probably a PFC looking for another stripe.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The NTSB reported that "The majority of the recording tape was fused into a solid block of charred plastic." No usable segments of tape were found inside the recorder.[85] I've already corrected you on this. You're posting the above image and text in a dishonest and misleading effort to imply that there is no FDR data, since you are saying here that the NTSB reports that the ""The majority of the recording tape was fused into a solid block of charred plastic." No usable segments of tape were found inside the recorder.[85] " As I pointed out to you on the other thread, your very own link indicates this is the COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER, NOT the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER. You are posting an image along with "creatively edited" text in order to portray it as the FDR in an effort to debunk this article. That's less than honest now isn't it, AGAviator. Here's the text that goes with the image you are brandishing about; As I've shown you on the other thread, the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER is a SOLID STATE device, in other words, it uses a memory card, NOT a TAPE. whoa. i have not seen this before.
What's plainly obvious is that YOU are the one who is "failing to report all the information" by misrepresenting the charred cockpit voice recorder as the flight data recorder, and implying that the FDR's "tape" is unusable, whereas the FDR doesn't use tape, it's a solid state device.
Yeah, it's a pretty BIG news item, strange how it never made the air...
Oh brother, this is according to the government story, wherein NIST verifies what the FBI claims........ Don't you understand that most here believe that the government story IS the conspiracy. More date from this source will never help you make your case. Much of what NIST offered for inclusion in the official "Commission Report" has already been proven to be complete bovine excrement. The government isn't an independence source, AGA. We are aware of the story they are dishing out, such as this convenient black box that didn't have any information.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Not even the government is saying the flight data recorder didn't have any information, it's AGAviator who is showing a picture of the cockpit voice recorder, conveniently leaving out the text which describes what the image is, and posting some text which makes one THINK what they are seeing is the FLIGHT DATA RECORDER.
Anything coming from NIST is suspect as they have continually denied access to information and spread bovine excrement. Director of NIST: Disclosure of WTC7 data "might jeopardize public safety" cryptome.org/nist070709.pdf FINDING REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION Pursuant to Section 7(d) of the National Construction Safety Team Act, I hereby find that the disclosure of the information described below, received by the National Institute of Standards and Technology ("NIST"), in connection with its investigation of the technical causes of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11,2001, might jeopardize public safety. Therefore, NIST shall not release the following information: 1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16-story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break elements, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities. 2. All input files with connection material properties and all results files of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities. ~ Patrick Gallagher Director National Institute of Standards and Technology Dated: JUL 09 2009 Meanwhile, AGA likes to ask why the people can't get any information......ignoring the obvious.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Right, but the flight data recorder from Flight 77 is being handled by the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board). Not that they're any more truthful, but they are in fact the agency involved, not NIST. From what the researchers who have looked over the data have found, the flight data indicates the plane couldn't have hit the light poles since the aircraft would have been too high to do so, IF the data is actually from the real Flight 77 FDR. You should follow the link to the Pilots for 9/11 truth website, it contains some pretty interesting info.
Oh, sheesh, I can hardly keep up with all of the government agencies tasked with disinformation in regards to 911. It's such a shell game in a maze of acronyms. Thanks for the link. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It must really suck to have that sinking feeling in your gut when you realize that you ARE one of the bad guys. Eh? Remember the oath? "...all enemies foreign and domestic." Your oath is first to the Constitution and this nation not whoever happens to be the current occupant of some office or has a bunch of stars and fruit salad.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Right, but the flight data recorder from Flight 77 is being handled by the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board). Not that they're any more truthful, but they are in fact the agency involved, not NIST. From what the researchers who have looked over the data have found, the flight data indicates the plane couldn't have hit the light poles since the aircraft would have been too high to do so, IF the data is actually from the real Flight 77 FDR. You should follow the link to the Pilots for 9/11 truth website, it contains some pretty interesting info. Taken as valid that would seem to validate the "David Copperfield" scenario wherein the plane is flown over the building and then another object hits or demolition charges are set off - patterned to make it look like a hit. The key factor being, of course, the timing. The "hit"/"explosion" would have to occur perhaps a second ahead of the actual overflight thus creating the illusion the plane hit. Then of course they just ditch, or land it and then whack the witnesses (passengers).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That was a neat trick, wasn't it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. It COULD be argued that the data files were downloaded onto a west coast facility (Pacific time vs Eastern time) over the Internet, but there should be some gap in time between the time it was found and the time the data was downloaded onto a PC, where the download time would be at least 10 or so hours AFTER the time it was found, one would think.
Almost anything CAN be argued as we have seen from the pro-government folks time and time again. Not that their arguments make any sense.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That is extremely possible given there are two sets of witnesses, one group states the aircraft flew a path south of the Citgo station (which is the OFFICIAL approach path), and another which state that the aircraft flew a path NORTH of the Citgo station. Pentagon officers Sgt. Lagasse and Sgt. Brooks are both adament that they saw the aircraft fly NORTH of the Citgo station.
Of course you are paid to try and explain all the evidence away as something else. What's your back up career? Guard in a Snuff Camp? On these exchanges you've been slowly but inexorably exposing yourself as a pompous windbag, devoid of real research skills or ability to analyze complex information, devoid of ability to consider additional information that upends existing rigidly held beliefs, a self-righteous ideologue unwilling to focus on common factors, and a codependent with the whatever "evil government" is the cornerstone of all your k00ky, $hitbrain, long-debunked beliefs that 94% of the country rejects out of hand. What evidence, fuckwit? The false claim was made that the doors to the cabin did not open, based on amateur cherry-picking of government reports and pointedly excluding statements that don't support k00k blather. The doors were not reported opened on damaged recording equipment does not equal the doors not opening at all. Especially when there is zero evidence doors opening on 11 flights and 40 hours previous to 911. The doors did open and close. The information on their opening and closing, along with certain other information, could not be recovered from seriously damaged equipment. So what does that make you? A classic divisive "False Front Operator" focused on turmoil and strife instead of workable solutions. Just like 1917 commie double agents who accused everyone they couldn't control of being counter- revolutionary conspirators. Not that you'll ever become that important. Once again, fool. As brainless as certain elements in the USG are, even they won't pay good money to attempt to divert dissenters from hare-brained k00kologies that less than 94% of the population accepts anyway. I'm here because I have a little extra time on my hands, and I hate liars, k00k groupthink, and people who think they can shout me down with recycled lame accusations, and windy off-topic dissertations. You've been rebutted above with complete info about how the false info about Flight 77 cabin doors not being opened, comes from k00kigarchs' dishonest selective quoting of reports, and incompetent failure to completely do research. So now all you have left is your dickless insults and your crackpot "I'm important enough that 'they' need to pay someone to post to me.'" No, idiot. You're just a target for my debunking skills. On every exchange you've been rebutted with specific facts, and you then reply with stale recycled insults. You're pwned and terminal case loser. So what's left? Not willing to shut your pompous utterances, you go to hyperbole, mocking, gaybanter, scatology, and accusations of being paid by "them." No loser. You're not worth spending money on and your arm-waving "great conspiracy" replies to specific factual rebuttals speak for themselves. Anybody with an ounce of brains can see the entire WOT is a disaster that's headed toward spectacular failure. "They" got their war but can't manage it. But "they're" supposed to be so good at running operations they pulled off the mother of all conspiracies without a single defector, or single piece of forensic evidence, coming forth to spill the beans for 8 1/2 years running. Enjoy your fantasy world "Useful Idiot."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The REAL k00k blather is coming from you, in that you're trying to pass off the damaged cockpit voice recorder from Flight 77 as the flight data recorder.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#3. To: farmfriend, Eric Stratton, X-15, HOUNDDAWG, Dakmar (#0)
Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#4. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#5. To: FormerLurker (#0)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#6. To: FormerLurker (#0)
#7. To: FormerLurker (#3)
#8. To: noone222 (#6)
All of that being said, isn't it a bit ridiculous for a commercial jet that was known to be hijacked for an hour and a half to be left alone to hit the Pentagon ?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)
Thing is, if the cockpit door remained closed the entire flight, then the aircraft wasn't hijacked.
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#12. To: FormerLurker (#3)
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#14. To: Eric Stratton (#12)
New to me.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Eric Stratton (#13)
And speaking of "See I told you so" geniuses, how's Douche Lameblow's ratings these days? Have the sheople caught on, or are they still bleating dittoes?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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#18. To: All (#0)
Did you know that the cockpit door was NOT opened during all of Flight 77's doomed flight?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
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#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)
AGitprop
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
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#24. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz, abraxas, ALL (#18)
A photograph of the cockpit voice
recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, as
used in an exhibit at the Moussaoui trial. 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: FormerLurker (#8)
Thing is, if the cockpit door remained closed the entire flight, then the aircraft wasn't hijacked.
#26. To: AGAviator (#18)
Once again a CT site fails to report all the information
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: christine (#25)
whoa. i have not seen this before.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: AGAviator (#18)
#29. To: abraxas (#28)
We are aware of the story they are dishing out, such as this convenient black box that didn't have any information.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: FormerLurker, AGAbloviator (#29)
#31. To: abraxas (#30)
Anything coming from NIST is suspect as they have continually denied access to information and spread bovine excrement.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: FormerLurker (#31)
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#33. To: AGAviator, all (#18)
#34. To: FormerLurker, abraxas, farmfriend, christine, wudidiz, all (#31)
nything coming from NIST is suspect as they have continually denied access to information and spread bovine excrement.
#35. To: FormerLurker (#0)
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
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That was a neat trick, wasn't it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: FormerLurker (#36)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: Original_Intent (#34)
Taken as valid that would seem to validate the "David Copperfield" scenario wherein the plane is flown over the building and then another object hits or demolition charges are set off - patterned to make it look like a hit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, x-15, christine (#21)
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Isn't it just so awful that all these intelligent and well educated people refuse to believe the gubbermint and insist on forming conclusions based on the evidence.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#40. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, x-15, christine (#39)
The false claim was made that the doors to the cabin did not open, based on amateur cherry-picking of government reports and pointedly excluding statements that don't support k00k blather.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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