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Title: Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack”
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Published: Dec 15, 2009
Author: Sheila Casey
Post Date: 2010-07-14 02:07:35 by FormerLurker
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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 “Hijack"
By Sheila Casey / Rock Creek Free Press
Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.
The FDR is one of two “black boxes” in every commercial airliner, which are used after accidents to help determine the cause of a crash. One black box records flight data, the other records voice data (everything said in the cockpit during the flight). With those two sets of data, NTSB investigators can usually piece together the events that led to a crash. The status of the door to the cockpit is checked every four seconds throughout a flight and relayed as a simple 0 or 1, where 0=closed and 1=open, with approximately 1,300 door status checks performed during AA77’s 90 minute flight. Every one of those door status checks shows as a 0, indicating that the door to the cockpit never opened during the entire flight.
Accident investigators monitor the cockpit door with the FDR because it may yield clues to pilot error in a crash. The FDR begins recording once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
The official story about flight 77 is that five Muslim terrorists brandishing box cutters forced their way into the cockpit and herded two pilots, four flight attendants and all the passengers to the back of the plane. This story came into being via Ted Olson, US Solicitor General, who told CNN — that he received two phone calls from his wife Barbara Olson, a passenger on the doomed flight. Ted Olson’s story changed several times. Sometimes he claimed that the calls from his wife were made from seat back phones, other times that she used her cell phone.
According to American Airlines customer service, the American Airlines maintenance manual for that aircraft, and American Airlines Captain Ralph Kolstad, seatback phones on 757s had been deactivated prior to 9/11/01. (They were later removed entirely, as they never worked well.)
Barbara Olson couldn’t have used a cell phone either: numerous 9/11 researchers, most notably David Ray Griffin, have pointed out that cell phones did not work on airplanes on 9/11. The speed and altitude of a commercial airliner both present overwhelming obstacles to a cell phone’s need to lock onto a cell tower and then hand off to another tower in a new location.
It was the FBI that revealed the evidence that decisively disproves Ted Olson’s story. In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006, the FBI presented a report on the cell phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. Their report on AA77 shows that there was only one phone call from Barbara Olson, but that it was an unconnected call lasting zero seconds. So Ted Olson either lied about receiving calls from his wife or was deceived into believing he received calls from her.
According to the UK Telegraph, Barbara Olson delayed her flight on 9/11 so that she could have breakfast with her husband on his birthday. That delay put her on the doomed flight. Ted Olson remarried in 2006 to tax attorney Lady Booth, whom he reportedly met the year after Barbara died.
There are numerous oddities and contradictions about AA77’s black boxes.
The government claims that the voice data recorder was damaged during the crash and that no usable data was retrieved from it. If true, this would be the first time in aviation history that a solid-state data recorder was destroyed during a crash.
While it was widely reported in the media that the FDR for AA77 was found at 4 am on September 14, 2001, the file containing the FDR data was dated over four hours earlier. In other words, we are asked to believe that the data from the FDR was downloaded prior to the FDR being found.
Researcher Aidan Monagahan has established that the NTSB does not have either serial or part numbers for the FDRs from AA77. The NTSB’s own handbook indicates that the part number and serial number of the FDR are required for data readout of the FDR. The NTSB did not have this information, giving us another reason to question how the FDR data was created.
Structural engineer Allyn Kilsheimer claimed that he personally found AA77’s black box on 9/11. But in the Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths, Kilsheimer is quoted as saying, “I stood on a pile of debris that we later found contained the black box 70;”
Kilsheimer’s story changes again in August 2007 in a piece done by the History Channel, “The 9/11 Conspiracies,” where he claims “I tripped over something; it was the black box.”
In earlier work, Pilots for 9/11 Truth (P4T) has determined that the same data set provided by the NTSB shows the plane too high to hit the Pentagon, based on an altimeter that uses air pressure to calibrate altitude.
As reported in the April 2009 Rock Creek Free Press, Citizen Investigation Team, citizen journalists from southern California, has collected evidence from 14 eyewitnesses that shows that the plane seen that morning near the Pentagon did not hit the building, but flew over it at the moment explosives detonated in the Pentagon, leading observers to conclude that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon.
Questions about what happened at the Pentagon have intrigued 9/11 researchers for years, beginning with photos from the alleged crash scene which do not show the wreckage of a plane.
This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story.
Why would the government release data which contradicts its own version of events? It is possible they were just sloppy, or that they never anticipated that anyone would parse the data as carefully as Pilots for 9/11 Truth have. They may have also felt secure, that regardless of what damning revelations were contained in the FDR data, no mainstream media outlet would give them ink or air time, keeping the official story intact for the vast majority of Americans who receive their news from mainstream sources.
Rob Balsamo, founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, stated: “We have not located any independently verified data which confirms the government’s story. The FBI and NTSB refuse to comment.” Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe who are investigating the government’s claims about the attacks of 9/11.
Sheila Casey is a DC based journalist. Her work has appeared in The Denver Post, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, Dissident Voice and Common Dreams.
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Here's a link to the Pilots for 9/11 Truth articles on the matter. 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
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#443. To: Original_Intent (#441)
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villian.
Name calling is juvenile.
huh? anyone here capable of translating this to English? sorry I don't speak shill maybe bucky can help you he is a member of the liar movement.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The towers were built to sway in strong winds by design, they did no break apart when even hurricane force winds made them sway more than they swayed when the planes crashed into them. Since they were built for such sway in winds, they also were built to not fall apart due to being rotated.
God is always good!
huh? anyone here capable of translating this to English? sorry I don't speak shill maybe bucky can help you he is a member of the liar movement. I speak a bit of shill from my time at LP. I think what AGItprop is saying here is that the conspiracies can't be true because the war is failing? Fuck I don't know.
Sorry meant to ping you.
huh? anyone here capable of translating this to English? sorry I don't speak shill maybe bucky can help you he is a member of the liar movement. I speak a bit of shill from my time at LP. I think what AGItprop is saying here is that the conspiracies can't be true because the war is failing? Fuck I don't know. All I want to know is who's on First!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL! Oh Good God, that is some funny shit.
Yes.
But who's on first?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
all your picture shows is how kooky you goofenheimers of the liar movement are, a total lack of morals is your problem bucky. even when you've seen the lawn prior to the truck traffic showing no signs of a passenger jet having hitting it you post this crap knowing full well it is complete BS to the issue at hand. you and your liar movement has sunk to bottom of the septic tank level.
second in command of the liar movement is what I make of it; seems to be the story of bucky's life second fiddle to a douche bag.
Who.
That could be it, or he could mean the conspiracy people, which he claims are only 6% of the population, are responsible for the wars failing. I don't really know what he was trying to say, but I am sure his bosses wouldn't mind firing him and just eliminating those that dare to think their government is lying to them.
God is always good!
Stupid fucktard jerkwad pretend physicist. Here's what you need to "understand the issue." When an item begins a rotating fall, its top is a very small distance from vertical centerline. After a few seconds, as rotation continues the top is a much greater distance from vertical centerline. This can only mean that a horizontal component of some force has moved that top away from vertical centerline as the item rotates and falls. Which in turn, means the falling and rotating top has had to exert an equal and opposite force to the source of the horizontal component pushing it away from vertical centerline. If the source of the horizontal component pushing the top away from vertical centerline cannot withstand the return force from the rotating and falling object, the connection will be severed, and at that point all parts of the falling section will go straight down instead of rotating and traveling any farther away from vertical centerline. When the WTC building commenced a rotating fall, that breakage happened within split seconds of the fall's beginning, because there was not nearly enough structural strength to keep a 95% air volume building rigid at less than vertical angles, to transmit horizontal force components. So at that point the fall went straight down, well within the building footprint. You're a internet jackoff pseudo physicist who could never cut it in the real world. That's why you have zero patents and publications and Eager has 14 patents and over 200 publications. Your $hitbrain k00k arguments trying to masquerade as physics boil as always down to the usual pinhead Tw00fer bromides: A codependent need for an all- controlling government to support your wackjob theories, and envious rage at people who have accomplished something with their lives within the system like Thomas Eagar. Get an education and a life, loser.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I mean the fellow's name.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the name of the guy on second base.
Name calling is juvenile.
When an item begins a rotating fall, its top is a very small distance from vertical centerline. After a few seconds, as rotation continues the top is a much greater distance from vertical centerline. This can only mean that a horizontal component of some force has moved that top away from vertical centerline as the item rotates and falls. Which in turn, means the falling and rotating top has had to exert an equal and opposite force to the source of the horizontal component pushing it away from vertical centerline. If the source of the horizontal component pushing the top away from vertical centerline cannot withstand the return force from the rotating and falling object, the connection will be severed, and at that point all parts of the falling section will go straight down instead of rotating and traveling any farther away from vertical centerline. With the WTC building commenced a rotating fall, that breakage happened within split seconds of the fall's beginning, because there was not nearly enough structural strength to keep a 95% air volume building rigid at less than vertical anglesto transmit horizontal force components. So at that point the fall went straight down, well within the building footprint. WTH?
What galaxy are you from? The Ford Galaxy.......lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So why were hundreds of people including firefighters unable to escape by taking stairwells and elevators attached to your "undamaged" "thick hardened steel core" center column, which was reported seriously damaged on both buildings, pinhead? And instead stranded on the upper floors before falling with the top of the building to their collapse-related deaths. If the center core had been intact, then people would have been able to take the exits attached to that center core, brainless. The aviation unit also relayed information about deteriorating conditions of the buildings to police commanders, who issued orders for its personnel to evacuate the towers.[21] At 9:52 a.m., the New York City Police Department (NYPD) aviation unit reported over the radio that "large pieces may be falling from the top of WTC 2. Large pieces are hanging up there".[20] With the warnings, the NYPD issued orders for its personnel to evacuate. During the emergency response, there was minimal communication between the NYPD and the New York City Fire Department (FDNY), and overwhelmed 9-1-1 dispatchers did not pass along information to FDNY commanders on-scene. At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed, 56 minutes after being struck. Only 14 people escaped from the impact zone of the South Tower after it was hit, and only four people from the floors above it. They escaped via Stairwell A, the only stairwell which had been left intact after the impact. Collapse of the North Tower After the South Tower collapsed, NYPD helicopters relayed information about the deteriorating conditions of the North Tower. At 10:20 a.m., the NYPD aviation unit reported that "the top of the tower might be leaning," and a minute later reported that the North Tower, "is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south". At 10:27 a.m., the aviation unit reported that "the roof is going to come down very shortly."[20] The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for 102 minutes. After the South Tower collapsed, FDNY commanders issued orders for firefighters in the North Tower to evacuate. Due to radio communications problems, firefighters inside the towers did not hear the evacuation order from their supervisors on the scene, and most were unaware that the other tower had collapsed.[22] 343 firefighters died in the Twin Towers, as a result of the collapse of the buildings.[21][23][24] No one was able to escape from above the impact zone in the North Tower after it was hit, as all stairwells and elevator shafts on those floors were destroyed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTF?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Those phone poles are wood. The columns were steel. Very thick steel.
What's the name of the guy on second base. I don't know.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
He's on third, we're not talking about him.
him and the other two goofenheimers of the local liar movement are living proof that the dumbing down of America is a complete success.
That's what makes you that guy.
Name calling is juvenile.
He's trying to explain the law of the conservation of angular momemtum, but alas none too clearly. Not that I'm picking on him as it is tricky to explain. However, the principle is valid. From Dictionary.com: the principle that the total angular momentum of a system has constant magnitude and direction if the system is subjected to no external force.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
At first glance I thought you were calling me a stupid fucking Jew. I was about to get really offended. But now I see you just think I am a jerk that likes to fuck and am pretending about the laws of physics. For your sake and those that believe the government's story about 9/11 you better hope I am just pretending. Cause if I am telling the truth, then you have just learned that your government is covering up and lying about what really happened on 9/11.
God is always good!
I just explained why that is not the case. I didn't expect you to get it, especially since I think you are not here to get it. Reread what I posted and think. Maybe you will get it then.
God is always good!
are you saying that is what turned bucky of the liar movement into a flaming retard? and all this while I figured he was born that way or maybe his parents dropped him a few times using him as a football.
You're not even close to being knowledgeable about physics in spite of pretending to be able to tutor me, or some outsider, capable of wading through your word dumps. Arguments about an unspecified "official government story" are codependent distractions from real issues which are changing policy and behavior patterns. Furthermore such strawman allegations about government stories are irrelevant to factual forensic and science fact-based discussions of events. There are no legitimate physics arguments to 911 k00ktheories. All the k00ktheories have been thoroughly debunked for the last 8 plus years. By physics and forensic examination of facts, not by armwaving and demanding proof on internet boards. The only k00k responses to these debunkings are to claim that people who don't lap up the antigovernment k00kswill are government themselves. This is a lie, because the people pushing consumption of the k00kswill need an image of an imaginary pure conspiratorial government they can set themselves up against.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey bucky how about you post some pictures of Hanjour and his pals waltzing through the gate to get on the crapping of their pants flight. there will be extra credit points for posting a verified passenger manifest. come on bucky the liar movement is depending on you!
he's seriously retarded like the other two members of the local liar movement. at least turtle has the sense to sit on the sidelines where as bucky can't help but shout from the roof tops how ate up with the stupids he is.
No I am not, because you don't have angular momentum with a disintegrating object whose center of rotation is temporarily but artificially held up against gravity until the object either breaks before it hits the ground, or hits the ground, crashes, and breaks into pieces upon contact.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you serious? ***Dude** The speed at which one object is moving, compensates for the relative hardness or softness of the moving object vs. the target. I don't have to confuse you using bullets as one of millions of examples. There are millions of other cases whereby fast-traveling softer items cause substantial damage to harder ones they hit, because they're moving at great speeds. Which brings us to how a 400+ mph speeding aircraft fuselage can seriously damage a stationary core steel column. Same goes for bird strikes, or pieces of straw driven by hurricane winds to penetrate trees. Kinetic energy increases with the squared power of the object's speed.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a picture of a 13-story apartment building that fell over in Shanghai last year. Now, you were saying that the WTC towers were built so shoddily that they could not withstand horizontal force and would fall apart if they were subjected to what you describe as a "slight rotation." If that is the case, then how did they stand for over 30 years with hurricane force winds hitting them occasionally? Did you not know that were built to sway in the winds? Did you not know that they were built to withstand hurricane force winds? Did you also not know that the jet airplanes that hit the towers caused them to sway no more than they do on a windy day? I guess not, cause you seem to think they would fall straight down if they ever left the vertical plane even slightly. You also must think these apartment buildings, while obviously having a bad foundation, were built much better than the towers cause they could withstand horizontal forces and remain intact.
God is always good!
really makes you feel proud 2b a duhmurrrriKin, don'tit ?
This is true, but you forgot one thing. The Towers were built to withstand the impact of a jet airplane. And guess what? They did. They only came down when they were brought down with controlled demolitions.
God is always good!
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#444. To: RickyJ, buckaroo (#128)
even though the war the conspiracies are supposed to be done for, is lurching towards stagnation, failure, and possibly even world wide defeat.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#445. To: farmfriend (#443)
#446. To: AGAviator (#398)
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A heavy but 95% air by volume item will tend to break apart when rotated onto its side
#447. To: IRTorqued, IRTorqued, buckeroo, AGAviator (#444)
even though the war the conspiracies are supposed to be done for, is lurching towards stagnation, failure, and possibly even world wide defeat.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#448. To: RickyJ (#447)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#449. To: wudidiz (#447)
even though the war the conspiracies are supposed to be done for, is lurching towards stagnation, failure, and possibly even world wide defeat.
#450. To: IRTorqued (#444)
he is a member of the liar movement
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#451. To: Original_Intent (#449)
All I want to know is who's on First!
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#452. To: wudidiz (#451)
#453. To: buckeroo (#166)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#454. To: James Deffenbach (#170)
And buckeroo cheers him (aggravator) on. What to make of that?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#455. To: Original_Intent (#452)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#456. To: wudidiz (#447)
I think what AGItprop is saying here is that the conspiracies can't be true because the war is failing?
#457. To: RickyJ, buckeroo, turtle (#442)
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This is for anyone that might be reading this thread on the Internet that doesn't quite understand this issue.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#458. To: wudidiz (#455)
#459. To: FormerLurker (#420)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#460. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#452)
But who's on first?
#461. To: Original_Intent, RickyJ, FormerLurker, IRTorqued, AGAviator (#457)
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“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#462. To: Original_Intent (#436)
#463. To: FormerLurker (#411)
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Do you have pictures of the steel core damage prior to the collapse? Obviously not. The steel core columns were made of thick hardened steel, and would have sliced the airplane's thin aluminum body like a cheese cutter slices cheese. Idiot.
As the fires continued to burn, occupants trapped in the upper floors of the South Tower provided information about conditions via 9- 1-1. At 9:37 a.m., an occupant on the 105th floor of the South Tower reported that floors beneath him "in the 90-something floor" had collapsed.[20]
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#464. To: wudidiz (#461)
WTH?
#465. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#459)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#466. To: farmfriend, wudidiz (#460)
But who's on first?
#467. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#466)
I don't know.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#468. To: FormerLurker (#319)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#469. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, (#467)
He's on third, we're not talking about him.
#470. To: wudidiz, RickyJ (#461)
WTH?
#471. To: AGAviator, all (#457)
Stupid fucktard jerkwad pretend physicist.
#472. To: RickyJ, *Post Of The Day* (#471)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#473. To: AGAviator (#457)
If the source of the horizontal component pushing the top away from vertical centerline cannot withstand the return force from the rotating and falling object, the connection will be severed, and at that point all parts of the falling section will go straight down instead of rotating and traveling any farther away from vertical centerline.
#474. To: James Deffenbach (#389)
ell yeah, if he was sentient it would. But I am afraid he has been drinking the government KOOK AID too long and it has messed up his mind. They say that KOOK AID and Sterno don't mix too well.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#475. To: RickyJ, buckeroo, critter, turtle (#471)
Cause if I am telling the truth, then you have just learned that your government is covering up and lying about what really happened on 9/11.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#476. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach (#397)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#477. To: wudidiz (#417)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#478. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#470)
He's trying to explain the law of the conservation of angular momemtum, but alas none too clearly.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#479. To: wudidiz (#417)
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Dude.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#480. To: AGAviator (#475)
#481. To: IRTorqued (#468)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#482. To: AGAviator (#479)
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There are millions of other cases whereby fast-traveling softer items cause substantial damage to harder ones they hit, because they're moving at great speeds.
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