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Title: Ron Paul: Useful dupe, or sincere patriot who knows he can't win? Will you donate $$?
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Published: Jul 16, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-07-16 14:33:16 by Artisan
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Sorry if daring to broach this subject offends any potential Paul cultists out there. Many people respect Dr. Paul, for his principles and long-standing track record. But the way he ended his 08 campaign, along with the 'Trotsky memo' have some questioning the validity of his run. Is it worth it to jump on the Paul 2012 bandwagon knowing that Paul himself recently told CNN that he's considering running, but knows he will never be president? Would you support Dr. Paul a second time, and would you donate money?
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
Vote? Yes. Financial contribution? NO.
__________________________________________________________ Personally, I like Ron Paul, and as a physician I like many of his positions. Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure. The Constitution replaced The Articles of Confederation, literally a Coup d'etat by the banking elites and monied interests of the time. However, Dr. Paul is a far better choice than the power hungry murderous thieves and POS that currently occupy most Federal, State and Local elected positions, and is a move in a more positive direction than we are currently headed. Yes, I gave money to the Paul campaign last election cycle, the maximum amount allowed, and would likely do it again if the current murderous, torturing, thieving, war mongering, lying, cheating POS would be tossed to the curb. Peace.
I think we should ask Cyni for his opinion on this. :^)
Seriously though, if Thomas Jefferson came back from the grave and ran for pres, we here could find reasons not to vote for him either, for a comment made here and there. There's no doubt that his human nature is no match for the legend he's become. I'd say if you're not going to vote for Ron Paul, then don't bother voting for anyone because there's not going to be any more constitutionally grounded candidate than RP.
I dont know why anyone would support someone that doesn't want the job nearly as much as those he suckered into supporting him the first time. If he wants to lead, then lead. Or else follow, or else GTF out of the way. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Agreed. The modern internet "liberty movement" is dead set on ensuring failure, even if they have to work overtime to achieve it. I really don't understand that mindset, wanting to live in a dystopia would seem the last thing I'd ever want. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
for a candidate to declare that he WILL NEVER WIN even if he does run, how is that anything but 'ensuring defeat'? calling a spade a spade is living in reality, not somehow undermining a guy who throws in the towel before the battle even begins.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I don't cast my vote based upon whether or not someone can win or not. I cast it based upon whether or not I agree with their political philosophy. If Dr. Paul runs for president again then unless someone else with a philosophy similar to his with a track record I can verify steps up to the plate I will contribute financially to his campaign and cast my vote for him. If this makes me a "Paul cultist" in the eyes of some, then so be it.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
So then don't vote for him. Real easy.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
PING!! Ditto F.A. Hayek Fan's sentiments for me.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I couldn't agree with you more. Intelligent voting! That is why I have only voted for presidential candidate only 4 times since 1964. Barry Goldwater in 1964, Ronald Reagan his first term in 1980, Pat Buchanan in 2000, and I wrote in Ron Pauls name in 2008 as well as donating to his campaign. So far there isn't anyone worthy of my vote on the horizon. I would cast a vote for Jim Traficant if he were running which he isn't.
Not hardly. At the very least Paul is a useful dupe. Once bitten, I for one will not donate again. His ethics went down the drain when he allowed his son to use his donor lists. There is NO ONE in sight that warrants a dime of money or support.
Any man who allows himself to be laughed off the debate stage by McCain and Giuliani, and now enters a race with all the fire of a wet mop, deserves no support. The question implied in the opening statement is being ignored; WHY is he doing this? Since we already have enough losers, the question is quite legitimate.
Amen... HE SERVES A USEFUL PURPOSE AND TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT. First time around a black man takes in a cool billion dollars and becomes president???? By happenstance???? Not hardly. Paul was most helpful.
His first, and biggest mistake, was not IMMEDIATELY challenging the NH vote count. There were so many anecdotal stories of fraud it was pathetic. (And prophetic.) The black box machines could elect Turtle's pug as the potus.
If you have someone else better in mind I'm all ears. Otherwise Paul will get my vote. At least in the primaries. If he doesn't win the RP nomination then I'll vote LP or CP in the general election.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Sir Lod... Paul said all the right things, as if by script, all the time, every time. In reflection, we must admit there never was any fire attached to his words, not one iota. It was as if he was day dreaming his way thru a one act farce. Now he needs to be gone, for good. In his Trotsky memo I believe he pledged his undying love for the republican party. Americans need no party loyalists to carry a banner.
Amen... HE SERVES A USEFUL PURPOSE AND TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT. First time around a black man takes in a cool billion dollars and becomes president???? By happenstance???? Not hardly. Paul was most helpful. By the time Obama became an issue, Paul was out of the picture, so your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
by the term 'Paul cultist' i did not mean supporters of Paul. I meant someone who feels part of a group so strongly that they shun any discerning discussion or valid criticism of the man or what he does. I'm sure most of us here have been supporters of him for years, & are not political novices. Anytime someone cowers from open discussion in blind defense of a guy, even Paul, (or alex jones, etc) it approaches the apt cultist' title.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 He was out of the picture for, get this, the f**king unification of the Republican party behind Juan McCain. Who to vote for? How about someone who thinks they can win, and acts the part? Me, I'd vote for Turtle's pug before I give this Republican firebrand support.
I believe Dr. Paul has made a ton of mistakes and he deserves whatever criticism he gets. However, I have been reading his writings for more than 20 years now and I don't buy the CT bullshit that he's some kind of RP plant. It's far more likely a combination of his naivety and bad advice from his political advisers, most of whom were amateurs and not part of the DC system.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
lol.......you sound so disgusted. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
That's your prerogative.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
:P
bingo!
it is NOT that I don't like RP it is NOT that I don't like the things he believes in he can't win and I think no one here understands the POWER of the Rothschilds
And unification behind Romney or Guiliani or any other the other statist scumbags would have been better?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
So are you a Palin or Obama voter.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
bingo! Oh no, the Constitution has not failed.......the people have. It is convenient to blame the document, but the blame falls upon the backs of we the people. An apathetic nation gets the corrupt, bloviated government it deserves.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'm feeling lots of love for the pug here. I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing. My dream potus.
I was thinking more along the lines of dragging his ass across the carpet. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
conspiracy theory??/ I do not see any words concerning conspiracy theory. Is it to difficult to understand, Paul himself told us..I am a loyal republican.. That means he plays ON THE TEAM.
fair enough. i agree that he is a good man with correct ideals & great voting record.i also read paul's material when i was a kid, my dad got it in the mail. i think his weakness is that he's too wimpy even for most of his supporters. but like you said- we work with what we got.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 And as long as it paid no attention to Turtle it would be better than what we have now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. He is definitely too mild mannered. I remember watching a video of him arguing with a talk show host back in the 70's (can't remember his name but it's that guy who smoked like a chimney and screamed a lot) but that might have been due to the host. Maybe it's come with age.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing. My dream potus. LOL! I hereby nominate this for post of the day.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. neither
...First time around a black man takes in a cool billion dollars and becomes president???? By happenstance???? Not hardly. If it look like a duck.....
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Oh. You appeared to be so concerned about voting for someone who could win that I naturally thought you would be voting for one of the main party candidates. My mistake.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
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#2. To: Artisan (#0)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#3. To: Artisan (#0)
#4. To: Artisan, cynicom (#0)
#5. To: Artisan (#0)
#6. To: Artisan (#0)
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)
#8. To: SonOfLiberty, pinguinite, psusa (#7)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: Artisan (#0)
#10. To: Artisan (#8)
for a candidate to declare that he WILL NEVER WIN even if he does run, how is that anything but 'ensuring defeat'? calling a spade a spade is living in reality, not somehow undermining a guy who throws in the towel before the battle even begins.
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#9)
#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
I don't cast my vote based upon whether or not someone can win or not. I cast it based upon whether or not I agree with their political philosophy. If Dr. Paul runs for president again then unless someone else with a philosophy similar to his with a track record I can verify steps up to the plate I will contribute financially to his campaign and cast my vote for him. If this makes me a "Paul cultist" in the eyes of some, then so be it.
#13. To: Artisan (#0)
Is it worth it to jump on the Paul 2012 bandwagon knowing that
#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)
So then don't vote for him. Real easy.
#15. To: Disgusted (#14)
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now enters a race with all the fire of a wet mop, deserves no support.
#16. To: Artisan, RP friends, 4 (#8)
#17. To: Disgusted (#14)
Any man who allows himself to be laughed off the debate stage by McCain and Giuliani, and now enters a race with all the fire of a wet mop, deserves no support. The question implied in the opening statement is being ignored; WHY is he doing this? Since we already have enough losers, the question is quite legitimate.
#18. To: Lod (#16)
#19. To: Cynicom (#15)
now enters a race with all the fire of a wet mop, deserves no support.
#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)
By the time Obama became an issue, Paul was out of the picture, so your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.
#22. To: Artisan (#20)
by the term 'Paul cultist' i did not mean supporters of Paul. I meant someone who feels part of a group so strongly that they shun any discerning discussion or valid criticism of the man or what he does. I'm sure most of us here have been supporters of him for years, & are not political novices. Anytime someone cowers from open discussion in blind defense of a guy, even Paul, (or alex jones, etc) it approaches the apt cultist' title.
#23. To: Disgusted (#21)
Me, I'd vote for Turtle's pug before I give this Republican firebrand support.
#24. To: Disgusted (#21)
He was out of the picture for, get this, the f**king unification of the Republican party behind Juan McCain. Who to vote for? How about someone who thinks they can win, and acts the part? Me, I'd vote for Turtle's pug before I give this Republican firebrand support.
#25. To: abraxas (#23)
#26. To: Lysander_Spooner (#3)
Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure. The Constitution replaced The Articles of Confederation, literally a Coup d'etat by the banking elites and monied interests of the time.
#27. To: Artisan, All (#0)
#28. To: Disgusted (#21)
He was out of the picture for, get this, the f**king unification of the Republican party behind Juan McCain. Who to vote for? How about someone who thinks they can win, and acts the part? Me, I'd vote for Turtle's pug before I give this Republican firebrand support.
#29. To: Itistoolate (#27)
he can't win
#30. To: christine, Lysander_Spooner (#26)
Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure.
#31. To: Disgusted, Turtle's pug, 4 (#25)
#32. To: Lod (#31)
I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing.
#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)
By the time Obama became an issue, Paul was out of the picture, so your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.
#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
he deserves whatever criticism he gets
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#35. To: Lod, Turtle (#16)
The black box machines could elect Turtle's pug as the potus.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#36. To: Artisan (#34)
fair enough. i agree that he is a good man with correct ideals & great voting record.i also read paul's material when i was a kid, my dad got it in the mail. i think his weakness is that he's too wimpy even for most of his supporters. but like you said- we work with what we got.
#37. To: Lod, post of the day (#31)
I'm feeling lots of love for the pug here.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)
#39. To: Cynicom (#33)
I do not see any words concerning conspiracy theory....
#40. To: Itistoolate (#38)
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