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Title: Ron Paul: Useful dupe, or sincere patriot who knows he can't win? Will you donate $$?
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Published: Jul 16, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-07-16 14:33:16 by Artisan
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Sorry if daring to broach this subject offends any potential Paul cultists out there. Many people respect Dr. Paul, for his principles and long-standing track record. But the way he ended his 08 campaign, along with the 'Trotsky memo' have some questioning the validity of his run. Is it worth it to jump on the Paul 2012 bandwagon knowing that Paul himself recently told CNN that he's considering running, but knows he will never be president? Would you support Dr. Paul a second time, and would you donate money?
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#25. To: abraxas (#23)
:P
bingo!
it is NOT that I don't like RP it is NOT that I don't like the things he believes in he can't win and I think no one here understands the POWER of the Rothschilds
And unification behind Romney or Guiliani or any other the other statist scumbags would have been better?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
So are you a Palin or Obama voter.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
bingo! Oh no, the Constitution has not failed.......the people have. It is convenient to blame the document, but the blame falls upon the backs of we the people. An apathetic nation gets the corrupt, bloviated government it deserves.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'm feeling lots of love for the pug here. I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing. My dream potus.
I was thinking more along the lines of dragging his ass across the carpet. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
conspiracy theory??/ I do not see any words concerning conspiracy theory. Is it to difficult to understand, Paul himself told us..I am a loyal republican.. That means he plays ON THE TEAM.
fair enough. i agree that he is a good man with correct ideals & great voting record.i also read paul's material when i was a kid, my dad got it in the mail. i think his weakness is that he's too wimpy even for most of his supporters. but like you said- we work with what we got.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 And as long as it paid no attention to Turtle it would be better than what we have now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. He is definitely too mild mannered. I remember watching a video of him arguing with a talk show host back in the 70's (can't remember his name but it's that guy who smoked like a chimney and screamed a lot) but that might have been due to the host. Maybe it's come with age.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing. My dream potus. LOL! I hereby nominate this for post of the day.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. neither
...First time around a black man takes in a cool billion dollars and becomes president???? By happenstance???? Not hardly. If it look like a duck.....
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Oh. You appeared to be so concerned about voting for someone who could win that I naturally thought you would be voting for one of the main party candidates. My mistake.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
My Basset Hound left a big present in the back yard for me to pick up and I think THAT would be better than what we have now.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
It would be hard to think of anything that wouldn't be better than the Kenyan.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. that was morton downey jr & he was running for prez as libertarian in 88. the guardian angels were guests too, calling paul a liberal pothead. paul jumped up and screamed AT LEAST I WOULDN'T BE DEALING IN DRUGS LIKE GEORGE BUSH & THE CIA, RIGHT BO GRITZ!!? (gritz was in the audience). Classic clip!
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Yeah that's his name! Thanks. His name was at the tip of my tongue. Was it in '88? I thought it was earlier than that. Anyway, yeah that was a great clip. He was no wimp that day that's for sure. I wish he would have brought some of that passion with him on his run for the 2008 presidency. I gotta run for a while. It's thundering and lightening and I have to turn off the 'puter.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Joe Biden.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I am not one of those people that see a conspiracy under every bed, in every closet nor in what other people write.
yeah, although the clip is dated & seems '70-ish' (heck it is dated, it was 22 yes ago! ) Paul was 53, & was on as a guest because he was the libertarian prez. candidate for legalizing drugs. very entertaining. think its still on youtube
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 While it is POSSIBLE that Biden MIGHT be worse it is doubtful. Not that I like Biden, I have no use for him. But in my opinion, Tarball is absolutely the worst Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I'd have to hear his actual comment. And was it a formal *Declaration* or simply a comment about his chances of winning? And there's no shortage of 4umers here who believe the same thing about any constitutionally grounded candidate saying such would not be ALLOWED to win. So is the objection here that he's being honest and not blowing hot air like a standard politician? Ron Paul's track record is one of candidness, and I'd venture this is just one more example.
In my lifetime, back to and including FDR, Obumski is the first president that I feel confident is NOT the president, not even a figure head, perhaps not even a puppet. He is a bought and paid for political whore that does not realize his owners are preparing him for greater and better things.
Worst I've ever seen, that's for sure. Nixon was a choirboy compared to Tarball.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The Nixon family supported Tarball.
He certainly doesn't seem to have enough fight in him to win a national election. So if that's the case, why send him money? I would vote for him if there was no better choice, and more than likely there won't be, but it's not going to accomplish much if he doesn't have the desire to win.
LBJ has done multi-generational damage due to his Great Society (might as well be called Another Great Leap Forward) and the erasure of practically all immigration quota's as applied to third-world countries. Obummer will have to really get on the stick to outdo LBJ by November 2012.
__________________________________________________________ No surprise there, eh? One part of the one-worlder cabal recognizes its own and supports it. But my point was whether you liked him or didn't like him, Nixon was a saint compared to Obama (and yes, I know that's damning him with faint praise).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You don't think the Tarball is through screwing America, do you?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Nixon... If you would like to see a more accurate portrayal of Nixon, an honest one, then you must read "Witness", by Chambers. Never accepted in MSM, school or college. It is all factual.
I'd say sending him money would be beneficial in helping to get the message out. That's not a bad cause. I'm guessing he never said he had no desire to win, but rather that he simply said winning wasn't likely. It's clearly not like if he did win, that he'd decline to take the office. He certainly would, and I think would do so eagerly and readily.
Ok, thanks. I have heard of that book but never read it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. He's in free-fall mode right now, he's lost his focus. I say he needs a fresh infusion of jewish czars to help him impose more odious laws upon the land.
__________________________________________________________ On whatreallyhappened.com http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/ron-paul-considering-2012-presidential- run-will-he-match-or-exceed-support-he-received-2008#comments full article: Ron Paul considering 2012 presidential run; Will he match or exceed the support he received in 2008?
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I have heard this argument before, it goes something like this, if only the right people were in power, if only we elected the right people the Constitution would provide for the kind of Nation we seek. It is erroneus and false. One can not make a drone into a worker bee or a queen bee. Drones are drones, and live off the productivity of the worker, as in human society. Until we expel the drones, as the worker bees and the queen do each and every season, all their instruments of thievery, including the Constitution, will never change their nature. It is the same with humans, and the season is nigh.
Nope that isn't the argument at all. The argument is that an apathetic people get the government they deserve. We the people are soft. We the people are woefully undereducated about our Constitution and it shows. People do not understand that the ONLY job of a representative is to navigate the contract between the people and the government, which is our Constitution. The rest is a very expensive dog and pony show.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Surely you must agree there is a conspiracy to destroy this nation and it has been going on for over a hundred years. And surely you must know who is behind it. And surely you must know who the ring leaders from within the country that are behind or a part of it. There is an ulterior motive behind "ALL" things the government does that goes against our "Constitution" and the will of the people, therefore, those ulterior motives surely must be a conspiracy, the conspiracy to destroy this nation. Those of us who understand what is happening must be a conspiracy because we want to return to a real Constitutional government and society. Those in power refute conspiracies when the finger is pointed in their direction, and yet they claim a conspiracy theoy that all who want to be governed by the Constitution are terrorist, a conspiracy as they see it. There are enough conspiracies, real and imagined, to go around!
I have known this for many years. Just as I have known there is but one political party in this county. Being a realist, I accept that there is no way we can undo 9/11, so accept we were screwed royally and work to stop this slide into chaos. We will not succeed because 130 million sheep are perfectly happy with the status quo, war and debt.
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#26. To: Lysander_Spooner (#3)
Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure. The Constitution replaced The Articles of Confederation, literally a Coup d'etat by the banking elites and monied interests of the time.
#27. To: Artisan, All (#0)
#28. To: Disgusted (#21)
He was out of the picture for, get this, the f**king unification of the Republican party behind Juan McCain. Who to vote for? How about someone who thinks they can win, and acts the part? Me, I'd vote for Turtle's pug before I give this Republican firebrand support.
#29. To: Itistoolate (#27)
he can't win
#30. To: christine, Lysander_Spooner (#26)
Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure.
#31. To: Disgusted, Turtle's pug, 4 (#25)
#32. To: Lod (#31)
I can see him in the Oval Office just happily spinning his ass in circles, doing nothing.
#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)
By the time Obama became an issue, Paul was out of the picture, so your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.
#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
he deserves whatever criticism he gets
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#35. To: Lod, Turtle (#16)
The black box machines could elect Turtle's pug as the potus.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#36. To: Artisan (#34)
fair enough. i agree that he is a good man with correct ideals & great voting record.i also read paul's material when i was a kid, my dad got it in the mail. i think his weakness is that he's too wimpy even for most of his supporters. but like you said- we work with what we got.
#37. To: Lod, post of the day (#31)
I'm feeling lots of love for the pug here.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)
#39. To: Cynicom (#33)
I do not see any words concerning conspiracy theory....
#40. To: Itistoolate (#38)
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neither
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
And as long as it paid no attention to Turtle it would be better than what we have now.
#42. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#41)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#43. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#36)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#44. To: Artisan (#43)
(Edited)
that was morton downey jr & he was running for prez as libertarian in 88. the guardian angels were guests too, calling paul a liberal pothead. paul jumped up and screamed AT LEAST I WOULDN'T BE DEALING IN DRUGS LIKE GEORGE BUSH & THE CIA, RIGHT BO GRITZ!!? (gritz was in the audience). Classic clip!
#45. To: James Deffenbach, F.A. Hayek Fan (#42)
It would be hard to think of anything that wouldn't be better than the Kenyan.
#46. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#39)
#47. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#44)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#48. To: abraxas (#45)
Joe Biden.
president person who has ever been the acting president. They seem to get worse every (s)election.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#49. To: Artisan (#8)
for a candidate to declare that he WILL NEVER WIN even if he does run,
#50. To: James Deffenbach (#48)
#51. To: Cynicom (#50)
In my lifetime, back to and including FDR, Obumski is the first president that I feel confident is NOT the president, not even a figure head, perhaps not even a puppet.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#52. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
#53. To: Artisan (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: James Deffenbach, Cynicom (#51)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#55. To: Cynicom (#52)
The Nixon family supported Tarball.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#56. To: X-15 (#54)
Obummer will have to really get on the stick to outdo LBJ by November 2012.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#57. To: James Deffenbach (#55)
No surprise there, eh? One part of the one-worlder cabal recognizes its own and supports it. But my point was whether you liked him or didn't like him, Nixon was a saint compared to Obama (and yes, I know that's damning him with faint praise).
#58. To: FormerLurker (#53)
So if that's the case, why send him money?
but it's not going to accomplish much if he doesn't have the desire to win.
#59. To: Cynicom (#57)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#60. To: James Deffenbach (#56)
You don't think the Tarball is through screwing America, do you?
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#61. To: All, christine (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#62. To: abraxas, Christine (#30)
Oh no, the Constitution has not failed.......the people have. It is convenient to blame the document, but the blame falls upon the backs of we the people.
#63. To: Lysander_Spooner (#62)
I have heard this argument before, it goes something like this, if only the right people were in power, if only we elected the right people the Constitution would provide for the kind of Nation we seek. It is erroneus and false.
#64. To: Cynicom (#46)
(Edited)
I am not one of those people that see a conspiracy under every bed, in every closet nor in what other people write.
#65. To: LACUMO (#64)
Surely you must agree there is a conspiracy to destroy this nation and it has been going on for over a hundred years.
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