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Title: Ron Paul: Useful dupe, or sincere patriot who knows he can't win? Will you donate $$?
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Published: Jul 16, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-07-16 14:33:16 by Artisan
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Sorry if daring to broach this subject offends any potential Paul cultists out there. Many people respect Dr. Paul, for his principles and long-standing track record. But the way he ended his 08 campaign, along with the 'Trotsky memo' have some questioning the validity of his run. Is it worth it to jump on the Paul 2012 bandwagon knowing that Paul himself recently told CNN that he's considering running, but knows he will never be president? Would you support Dr. Paul a second time, and would you donate money?

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#3. To: Artisan (#0)

Personally, I like Ron Paul, and as a physician I like many of his positions.

Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure. The Constitution replaced The Articles of Confederation, literally a Coup d'etat by the banking elites and monied interests of the time.

However, Dr. Paul is a far better choice than the power hungry murderous thieves and POS that currently occupy most Federal, State and Local elected positions, and is a move in a more positive direction than we are currently headed.

Yes, I gave money to the Paul campaign last election cycle, the maximum amount allowed, and would likely do it again if the current murderous, torturing, thieving, war mongering, lying, cheating POS would be tossed to the curb. Peace.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-16   14:45:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure. The Constitution replaced The Articles of Confederation, literally a Coup d'etat by the banking elites and monied interests of the time.

bingo!

christine  posted on  2010-07-16   17:27:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Fact of the matter is the Constitution has done virtually nothing to restrain the growth of government, it is an abject failure.

bingo!

Oh no, the Constitution has not failed.......the people have. It is convenient to blame the document, but the blame falls upon the backs of we the people.

An apathetic nation gets the corrupt, bloviated government it deserves.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-16   17:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh no, the Constitution has not failed.......the people have. It is convenient to blame the document, but the blame falls upon the backs of we the people.

I have heard this argument before, it goes something like this, if only the right people were in power, if only we elected the right people the Constitution would provide for the kind of Nation we seek. It is erroneus and false.

One can not make a drone into a worker bee or a queen bee. Drones are drones, and live off the productivity of the worker, as in human society. Until we expel the drones, as the worker bees and the queen do each and every season, all their instruments of thievery, including the Constitution, will never change their nature. It is the same with humans, and the season is nigh.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-18   3:56:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have heard this argument before, it goes something like this, if only the right people were in power, if only we elected the right people the Constitution would provide for the kind of Nation we seek. It is erroneus and false.

Nope that isn't the argument at all. The argument is that an apathetic people get the government they deserve.

We the people are soft. We the people are woefully undereducated about our Constitution and it shows. People do not understand that the ONLY job of a representative is to navigate the contract between the people and the government, which is our Constitution. The rest is a very expensive dog and pony show.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-18   11:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The argument is that an apathetic people get the government they deserve.

People do not understand that the ONLY job of a representative is to navigate the contract between the people and the government, which is our Constitution

I have heard the apathy argument before and it also is false. What in fact is happening is that people see no return on the time and energy they 'invest' in politics. They are wise and correct, and as Étienne de La Boétie pointed out in his Treatise on Involuntary Servitude, withdrawing consent, however small, will bring a corrupt and evil government like we have to a standstill. A modern example of this is the Bush stolen election of 2004. The Supreme Court intervened and decided the election. It was completley illegal, immoral and unconstitutional. The vote of the people mattered not, and all the time and energy of people was a complete and utter waste.

Lysander Spooner showed in his Constitution of No Authority that the Constitution is not a contract in any legal sense of the word. It is more like a contract on the people, a tool box of sorts that the elites and monied interest use to loot and rob the lives and property of the people. Here is a pretty good video of Lysander Spooner's Constitution of No Authority.

Drones will be drones, and politicians will be and have always be theiving, lying, murderous blood suckers, until one of two things happen. Either the people will rise up and violently overthrow or expel the 'political drones', or withdraw their consent and watch the beast starve and collapse, as de La Boétie pointed out and this is the strategy that I recommnend. I do believe if the Constitution were followed it would be a move in a better direction than what we have today and appreciate those who advocate that position. Peace.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-18   13:40:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: Lysander_Spooner (#67)

What in fact is happening is that people see no return on the time and energy they 'invest' in politics.

Étienne de La Boétie pointed out in his Treatise on Involuntary Servitude, withdrawing consent, however small, will bring a corrupt and evil government like we have to a standstill.

That's fine, just don't bitch about the current state of affairs. To do nothing, is to allow tyranny.

Balony. Most are NOT involved and there is no standstill--only a very consistent march to tyranny and debt peonage with more crapping on our civil liberties, more nanny state and more corruption. Why not? There is little if any objection from the people.

Nobody stood up and protested Bush stealing an election--nobody took to the streets. The peoples' stand against oppression was at best, PATHETIC. But, of course, they are so "wise and correct", stealing elections doesn't really merit any "time or energy" now does it?

Sheesh, Lysander_Spooner--you can't have it both ways. You can't have an apathetic people who aren't involved and are too "wise and correct" to give a shit AND not have any part in the blame for the current state of affairs.

An apathetic people doesn't "violently overthrow" a dog catcher, let alone the "political drones' you speak of.....what part of that are you failing to grasp? They will be slaves in their own nation, with no rights and barely a feeble wimper to lament that they should have gotten off their asses and done SOMETHING years or decades ago--perhaps when GW Bush stole an election or when he crapped on habeas corpus or when Obama decided he could murder any ol' person for the "good" of the nation. Opportunities abound....but the "wise and correct" people are simply too busy to take any relevant role in opposition to their own oppression.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-18 15:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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