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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#984. To: wudidiz (#981)
Oh this is RICH! .. no facts just silly BS. Thanks for making my point, pal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
E pur si muove! (& the truth will out.) There is no long form.
Retard, everyone that sees WTC come down knows it was a controlled demolition if they have even a average IQ. You obviously don't, but it is nice that they let you play at the computer at your retard institution.
God is always good!
So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings, whackjob?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh sure, ALL the witnesses and people involved don't know as much as you bucko. The air traffic controllers at Dulles International Airport are no match for your expertise, and the various airline pilots stating the pilot who flew the plane into the Pentagon had to have been highly skilled are no match for your vast experience flying airliners, and the flight instructors who actually delt with him and who judged him to be totally incompentent just didn't know what they were talking about I guess. In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license, right bucko?
It wasn't the Pentagon, Rumsfeld wasn't there, and they WANTED to bring those towers down.
Any FACTS called mathematics and physics or mechanical stress analysis? You should be ashamed of your own posts.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh and there WAS a ***covert remote operator*** or two involved, at least in terms of setting off the remote triggered demolitions.
Rumsfeld wasn't in the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 in the early morning hours briefing with Wolfowitz? Link, please?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You argue like a girl. A dumb girl.
PROOF, please.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Actually, you had your panties pulled down agreeing with me, wud.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You have no shame, because you have no idea how damn stupid you are.
God is always good!
You ignore any facts and evidence presented, whether it utilizes physics and math, or whether it's testimony from actual experts and witnesses. You cling to your religious belief that 19 "angry ragheads did 911", no matter HOW much proof and evidence there is which conflicts with that faith based belief. In fact, 7 or more of them are still alive, so guess what, it wasn't THOSE 7 or so that "did it".
9/11 Was An Inside Job.
Stop insulting the girls.....even the dumb gilrs!! Respect my authority!!! : ) Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
1 Thousand. Edit: 1 Thousand and one.
Since building 7 could NOT have collapsed any other way than by controlled demolition, do you think some guy stood there with a Bic lighter inside the building and lit a fuse?
You wrecked my thousand. Dumb girl. :-)
Nope.......Ab snuck in for 1000. You'll have to settle for 1001. : P
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
abraxas beat you to it by one...
The 9/11 Commission received authoritative reports about Hanjour from the FBI throught "Summary of PENTTBOM Investigations." They made no determination as to Hanjour's characteristics to pass or fail.... but you know this. Why are you distorting the facts?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Wow, that doesn't happen too often around here, congratulations are in order.
I'm a wrecker and roller.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Excuse me while I go sulk...
Thanks FL.........I had to sneak in and garner the coveteted post from the grasp of wudidiz. But Ididiz....lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
EVERYBODY said in one way or another that Hanjour's English was woefully inadequate, in fact, at one point a flight school suggested an interpretor, which is actually illegal since a pilot is REQUIRED by law to be able to read, write, speak, and understand English.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Proof positive that you know and understand that the others died hijacking four passenger jet aircraft. Again, thank you FL for demonstrating FACTS once in a while.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I snuck in earlier today for the triple 8 too....Neener, Neener, Neener. Ididiz, wud..... : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Well, my poor little loser... Hanjour received his certifications one way or another.... You lose.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It was upon his return to Arizona Aviation in 2000 that the 9/11 Commission stated he wanted "refresher" training on multi-engine planes but was advised to discontinue "because his English was not good enough." The implications are that Hanjour was merely brushing up on skills he had already achieved through previous flight training, and that the only reason he was advised not to continue was because of his poor language skills. But turning to the report’s footnote, it reads: "For his desire to train on multi-engine planes, his language difficulties, the instructor’s advice, and his reaction, see FBI report of investigation, interview of Rodney McAlear, Apr. 10, 2002."41 That document reveals that McAlear worked not for Arizona Aviation, but rather "instructed Hani Hanjour in ground school flight training at Jet Tech in the early 2001."42 The 9/11 Commission, by misleadingly suggesting that this occurred at Arizona Aviation, apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school, when the truth is that it occurred when he was at a different school he'd never been to before. The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough. As already noted, an instructor at Arizona Aviation thought his earlier failings there were due primarily to his poor flight skills, and not because of his language inadequacies. More importantly, again, this training actually occurred at Jet Tech. Turning to the documentary record, as article in the New York Times entitled "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence" noted, his instructors there "found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot’s license was genuine". As a result, they actually reported him to the FAA and requested confirmation that his certificate was legitimate. The staff there "feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner." Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the academy, told the Times, "There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern that ‘you really shouldn’t be in the air.’"43
You have misquoted me at 990.... you don't even know how to post.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Probably the same way he was able to get out of the country after the operation was pulled off, well, if they didn't liquidate him, but I doubt he would have performed as he did if he thought they'd put a bullet in his head and dump him at the bottom of a landfill or something once it was over.
What article? No reference? BFD... Hanjour hijacked the palne, flew it into the Pentagon... About two hundred people are dead. Who cares what the NYTimes says. You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock. You started out with credentials not being certified... now its his English skills.... Did you want to blow him too?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Again, thank you FL for demonstrating FACTS once in a while. If at least 7 are alive, that means those 7 didn't hijack any planes on Sept. 11, 2001, and crash them into buildings. So then why are they still listed as the "official hijackers"? And if there are 7 that definitely are alive, there's a good chance that ALL of them are, although probably living under new identities and new appearances.
Nope, that's more for you and your boyfriend AG to take up with each other.
You are getting a bit unhinged there buck. Are you hitting the bottle again, or is it Sterno this time?
They've probably lied so much so long about so many things that their consciences have been seared and they think nothing of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. 999 ain't bad......unless you turn it upside down. 8 P
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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#985. To: FormerLurker (#973)
#986. To: AGAviator (#969)
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#987. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#979)
but rather some covert remote operator utilizing computer assisted
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#988. To: buckeroo (#974)
BFD... your article uses a few footnotes/references that are factual but don't lead to conclusions supporting the thesis.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#989. To: AGAviator (#987)
So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings, whackjob?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#990. To: RickyJ (#986)
Retard, everyone that sees WTC come down knows it was a controlled demolition if they have even a average IQ.
#991. To: RickyJ, buckeroo, turtle (#986)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#992. To: AGAviator (#987)
So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#993. To: FormerLurker (#989)
It wasn't the Pentagon, Rumsfeld wasn't there
#994. To: buckeroo (#984)
Oh this is RICH! .. no facts just silly BS. Thanks for making my point, pal.
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#995. To: FormerLurker (#992)
Oh and there WAS a ***covert remote operator*** or two involved, at least in terms of setting off the remote triggered demolitions.
#996. To: wudidiz (#994)
#997. To: buckeroo (#990)
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"TCP/IP crap for public networks"
#998. To: buckeroo (#990)
Any FACTS called mathematics and physics or mechanical stress analysis?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#999. To: FormerLurker (#998)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1000. To: wudidiz (#994)
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#1001. To: All, *9-11* (#999)
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"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1002. To: buckeroo (#995)
PROOF, please.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1003. To: abraxas (#1000)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1004. To: wudidiz (#1001)
#1005. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#1001)
1 Thousand.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1006. To: FormerLurker (#988)
In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license, right bucko?
#1007. To: abraxas (#1000)
Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1008. To: wudidiz (#1003)
#1009. To: abraxas (#1008)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1010. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#1007)
#1011. To: buckeroo (#1006)
The 9/11 Commission received authoritative reports about Hanjour from the FBI throught "Summary of PENTTBOM Investigations." They made no determination as to Hanjour's characteristics to pass or fail.... but you know this.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1012. To: buckeroo (#1006)
#1013. To: FormerLurker (#998)
In fact, 7 or more of them are still alive, so guess what, it wasn't THOSE 7 or so that "did it".
#1014. To: wudidiz (#1009)
#1015. To: FormerLurker (#1011)
EVERYBODY said in one way or another that Hanjour's English was woefully inadequate, in fact, at one point a flight school suggested an interpretor, which is actually illegal since a pilot is REQUIRED by law to be able to read, write, speak, and understand English.
#1016. To: buckeroo (#1015)
(Edited)
From the Hanjour article.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1017. To: RickyJ (#997)
"TCP/IP crap for public networks"
#1018. To: buckeroo (#1015)
Well, my poor little loser... Hanjour received his certifications one way or another.... You lose.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1019. To: FormerLurker (#1016)
From the Hanjour article.
It was upon his return to Arizona Aviation in 2000 that the 9/11 Commission stated he wanted "refresher" training on multi-engine planes but was advised to discontinue "because his English was not good enough." The implications are that Hanjour was merely brushing up on skills he had already achieved through previous flight training, and that the only reason he was advised not to continue was because of his poor language skills. But turning to the report’s footnote, it reads: "For his desire to train on multi-engine planes, his language difficulties, the instructor’s advice, and his reaction, see FBI report of investigation, interview of Rodney McAlear, Apr. 10, 2002."41 That document reveals that McAlear worked not for Arizona Aviation, but rather "instructed Hani Hanjour in ground school flight training at Jet Tech in the early 2001."42 The 9/11 Commission, by misleadingly suggesting that this occurred at Arizona Aviation, apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school, when the truth is that it occurred when he was at a different school he'd never been to before.
The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough. As already noted, an instructor at Arizona Aviation thought his earlier failings there were due primarily to his poor flight skills, and not because of his language inadequacies. More importantly, again, this training actually occurred at Jet Tech. Turning to the documentary record, as article in the New York Times entitled "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence" noted, his instructors there "found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot’s license was genuine". As a result, they actually reported him to the FAA and requested confirmation that his certificate was legitimate. The staff there "feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner." Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the academy, told the Times, "There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern that ‘you really shouldn’t be in the air.’"43
#1020. To: buckeroo (#1013)
Proof positive that you know and understand that the others died hijacking four passenger jet aircraft.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1021. To: buckeroo (#1019)
Did you want to blow him too?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1022. To: buckeroo (#1019)
You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1023. To: GreyLmist (#982)
So don't try to make that baseless nonsense claim again, Non-Truthers, or be exposed and PWND as Willful Liars.
Lord Acton
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#1024. To: wudidiz (#999)
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