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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#1018. To: buckeroo (#1015)
Probably the same way he was able to get out of the country after the operation was pulled off, well, if they didn't liquidate him, but I doubt he would have performed as he did if he thought they'd put a bullet in his head and dump him at the bottom of a landfill or something once it was over.
What article? No reference? BFD... Hanjour hijacked the palne, flew it into the Pentagon... About two hundred people are dead. Who cares what the NYTimes says. You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock. You started out with credentials not being certified... now its his English skills.... Did you want to blow him too?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Again, thank you FL for demonstrating FACTS once in a while. If at least 7 are alive, that means those 7 didn't hijack any planes on Sept. 11, 2001, and crash them into buildings. So then why are they still listed as the "official hijackers"? And if there are 7 that definitely are alive, there's a good chance that ALL of them are, although probably living under new identities and new appearances.
Nope, that's more for you and your boyfriend AG to take up with each other.
You are getting a bit unhinged there buck. Are you hitting the bottle again, or is it Sterno this time?
They've probably lied so much so long about so many things that their consciences have been seared and they think nothing of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. 999 ain't bad......unless you turn it upside down. 8 P
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Hanjour is alive like Elvis, Hitler and Michael Jackson? This is getting better and better.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
My how you are getting forgetful buck, are you sober enough to continue? BFD... Hanjour hijacked the palne, flew it into the Pentagon... About two hundred people are dead. It'd be close to impossible for Hanjour to have attacked the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757.
They be racis' and shee-it!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Oh de humanity!!!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yeah. It's a sorry old world, ain't it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Oh... it's only "close" now... not impossible.... you are such a Bullshitter... you can't determine where your own two legs stand as you slip and slide all over the topic.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
In response to a question from your pal, I said that the reasons they brought down the WTC yet were careful in how they hit the Pentagon, besides the fact they WANTED to bring down the WTC, is that Rumsfeld wasn't there (at the WTC), and that it wasn't the Pentagon, which they obviously DIDN'T want to damage too much. Take the time to read and understand what is written, not what you think it says. I tried to make it clearer for you buck. Do you understand it now?
I said with a Cessna idiot, that isn't what he allegedly used now is it. Is a 757 made by Cessna in your world?
Where is this inside knowledge, FL? You seem to KNOW all about the reasons.....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Most likely but still, they've been adequately warned now so it's their own fault if they get exposed and PWND as Willful Liars on that score. Amazing how they don't even seem to blink as they transform their guy who couldn't takeoff and land correctly but, evidently, was nevertheless improperly and illegaly certified into a stunt-pilot who somehow managed to acquire in-flight such landing skill that he could travel inches above the lawn without so much as scorching it from the jet exhaust. Maybe he guzzled some of that trademark Magical Jet Fuel like it was Moonshine, eh? That's my guess, anyway.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Are you entirely crazy? Hanjour was certified as both a private pilot and commercial aircraft. The issue is silly.... like all your repeated shit.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Probably mixed it with Sterno. I believe the shills on here drink Sterno and KOOK AID but it's really got 'em messed up and they don't even know what they're dur'n (as Shirley Q. Liquor says).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Let's start from the beginning, since you jumped into a response I made to another person, and didn't quite understand it since you were too lazy to click your mouse to see what was originally said. Your pal was bloviating about WHY would a "terrorist" steer the jet AWAY from Rumsfeld's office and the high value section of the Pentagon and instead strike a relatively unoccupied section going through renovations, which IS exactly what happened. I told him that would be because the covert operation didn't wish to cause THAT much damage to the Pentagon. Of course, they obviously didn't wish to kill a lot of high ranking military officers and such either, nor did they wish to kill Secretary Rumsfeld. THAT is the only logical answer as to WHY the plane veered away from the high value side of the building, since instead it could have easily descended into the ROOF of the building causing extensive damage to much of the building, engulfing it in flames, and possibly killing a whole lot of high ranking people.
Are you entirely crazy? You responded as if you thought I was saying he is alleged to have flown a Cessna into the Pentagon, since you couldn't understand what I meant when I said, "he more than likely couldn't attack the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757". Hanjour was certified as both a private pilot and commercial aircraft. Neither of which he was actually qualified for, according to anyone who tested his "abilities". BTW, his "commercial license" allowed him to fly for hire, but not anything in the way of jet aircraft, just a standard propeller driven plane. He wasn't capable of flying a SINGLE-ENGINE craft, yet he was supposedly certified on an Apache twin-engine. The whole story stinks, yet you gobble it up as if it were gospel.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!! Speaking of ***religious beliefs***** Professor Steven Jones Clings to His Belief That Jesus Visited the Aboriginal Americans by Steven E. Jones The Book of Mormon makes the bold statement that Jesus Christ, shortly following His resurrection, visited people in the New World Several years ago, an idea popped into my head: Would people in the New World who also saw Jesus Christ leave memorials of this supernal experience by showing marked hands of Deity in their artwork? So I began a search with the following hypothesis-to be tested: Ancient artwork portraying a deity with deliberate markings on his hands will be found somewhere in the Americas. A crazy idea, maybe - but wait till you see the artwork of the ancient Maya!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And more than Six Percent of the US population, or 4.2% if you go by 2006 Zogby polls, will believe it!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you lost your mind, or are you just getting super desperate?
FOS liar.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL!!! WHAT 40:23 second mark? Is this guy drinking out of the same Sterno both you and buck are chugging? What sort of bullshit is this, the guy has the video running at super slow motion, and gives his "own" time that we are supposed to just accept on faith. What a crock.
If you want to see a valid and scientific analysis, watch this...
Have you lost your mind, Immediately after falsely accusing buck of a "religious belief," I show you a real and published "religious belief" of K00k in Chief Steven Jones, which you completely ignore becuse you're too stupid to see that you falsely accuse others of all that you're guilty of yourself.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why don't you read the document that I already provided. At any rate, it means nothing. He crashed FLT77 into the Pentagon. End of story other than the tremendous tragedy these hijackers performed on 9/11. if that were true your handlers would be able to provide you with video of hanjour boarding flt77 and they'd have no problems releasing all the surveillance video from around the pentagon they confiscated, but they don't because it won't bare out what claimed happened thus putting you and AGovshill and the rest of the members of the liar movement out of work.
Why don't you read the document that I already provided. At any rate, it means nothing. He crashed FLT77 into the Pentagon. End of story other than the tremendous tragedy these hijackers performed on 9/11. if that were true your handlers would be able to provide you with video of hanjour boarding flt77 and they'd have no problems releasing all the surveillance video from around the pentagon they confiscated, but they don't because it won't bare out what claimed happened thus putting you and AGovshill and the rest of the members of the liar movement out of work.
Different Steven Jones you bloviating liar. How typical of your style here, unfounded and unwarranted character assassination in order to falsely discredit anything or anyone which disagrees or contradicts your beliefs. Dr. Stephen Jones - Reverend Dr. Dr. Stephen Jones - Ph. D. Physics lol......that's NOT physicist Stephen Jones AGABLOWviator. It is ignored because you're too stupid to realize that more than one person could have the extremely common name, Steven Jones. Real and published OTHER PERSON.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Speaking of FALSE ACCUSATIONS, you fabricated a story about Dr. Stephen Jones writing a book about Jesus visiting aboriginal Americans. You are STILL CLINGING to this LIE. You've pretty much demonstrated what sort of incredible low-life liar you are. What I said to buck is that he clings to his beliefs religiously, based on nothing but faith. You've actually fabricated a story with huge fonts and red colors falsely reporting Dr. Stephen Jones of being some sort of religious nutjob. I think that pretty much cements most people's opinions about how credible you are.
He's got to be either a pathological liar or incredibly stupid if he thought he was going to get away with that.
lol.....I'm sure he thought he REALLY had something there and, of course, he doesn't dig any deeper than a common name prior to posting. In the end, AGABLOWviator makes himself look like a complete asswipe.....priceless.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Proves what we've been saying all along.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yes, they should be forced to release those videos. The ONLY reason that they haven't is they know the videos don't show what they claim or show more than they claim.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. And he is gifted at that. So at least he has that going for him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Lying fuckwit anaerobe swill sucker. Another post, another shameless lie. Research Interests and Background Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy,[2][3] and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon.[4] For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre- Columbian horses in the Americas,[5] and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America.[6] I'm starting to think the only creature that tells more lies than you is Satan himself.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAHAHAHA yourself, lying circle jerker. pwned Research Interests and Background Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy,[2][3] and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon.[4] For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre- Columbian horses in the Americas,[5] and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America.[6]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, stupid fuckwit, you didn't dig any deeper than an off the cuff excuse. I research my posts. Steven E. Jones the so called physicist is the author of the said work. Enjoy eating another helping of stagnant $hit. You've earned it. Research Interests and Background Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy,[2][3] and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon.[4] For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre- Columbian horses in the Americas,[5] and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America.[6]
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWell, my poor little loser... Hanjour received his certifications one way or another.... You lose.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1019. To: FormerLurker (#1016)
From the Hanjour article.
It was upon his return to Arizona Aviation in 2000 that the 9/11 Commission stated he wanted "refresher" training on multi-engine planes but was advised to discontinue "because his English was not good enough." The implications are that Hanjour was merely brushing up on skills he had already achieved through previous flight training, and that the only reason he was advised not to continue was because of his poor language skills. But turning to the report’s footnote, it reads: "For his desire to train on multi-engine planes, his language difficulties, the instructor’s advice, and his reaction, see FBI report of investigation, interview of Rodney McAlear, Apr. 10, 2002."41 That document reveals that McAlear worked not for Arizona Aviation, but rather "instructed Hani Hanjour in ground school flight training at Jet Tech in the early 2001."42 The 9/11 Commission, by misleadingly suggesting that this occurred at Arizona Aviation, apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school, when the truth is that it occurred when he was at a different school he'd never been to before.
The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough. As already noted, an instructor at Arizona Aviation thought his earlier failings there were due primarily to his poor flight skills, and not because of his language inadequacies. More importantly, again, this training actually occurred at Jet Tech. Turning to the documentary record, as article in the New York Times entitled "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence" noted, his instructors there "found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot’s license was genuine". As a result, they actually reported him to the FAA and requested confirmation that his certificate was legitimate. The staff there "feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner." Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the academy, told the Times, "There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern that ‘you really shouldn’t be in the air.’"43
#1020. To: buckeroo (#1013)
Proof positive that you know and understand that the others died hijacking four passenger jet aircraft.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1021. To: buckeroo (#1019)
Did you want to blow him too?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1022. To: buckeroo (#1019)
You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1023. To: GreyLmist (#982)
So don't try to make that baseless nonsense claim again, Non-Truthers, or be exposed and PWND as Willful Liars.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1024. To: wudidiz (#999)
#1025. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1018)
Probably the same way he was able to get out of the country after the operation was pulled off
#1026. To: buckeroo (#1019)
What article? No reference?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1027. To: FormerLurker (#988)
In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1028. To: James Deffenbach (#1027)
#1029. To: abraxas (#1028)
Oh de humanity!!!!
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1030. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1026)
It'd be close to impossible for Hanjour to have attacked the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757.
#1031. To: buckeroo (#993)
Rumsfeld wasn't in the Pentagon on September 11, 2001
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1032. To: buckeroo (#1030)
Oh... it's only "close" now... not impossible....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1033. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1031)
I said that the reasons they brought down the WTC yet were careful in how they hit the Pentagon
#1034. To: James Deffenbach (#1023)
(Edited)
They've probably lied so much so long about so many things that their consciences have been seared and they think nothing of it.
#1035. To: FormerLurker (#1032)
Is a 757 made by Cessna in your world?
#1036. To: GreyLmist (#1034)
Maybe he guzzled some of that trademark Magical Jet Fuel like it was Moonshine, eh? That's my guess, anyway.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1037. To: buckeroo (#1033)
(Edited)
Where is this inside knowledge, FL? You seem to KNOW all about the reasons.....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1038. To: buckeroo (#1035)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1039. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#998)
You cling to your religious belief that 19 "angry ragheads did 911"
Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1040. To: buckeroo (#1025)
Hanjour is alive like Elvis, Hitler and Michael Jackson? This is getting better and better.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1041. To: AGAviator (#1039)
Professor Steven Jones Clings to His Belief That Jesus Visited the Aboriginal Americans
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1042. To: RickyJ (#986)
Everyone that sees WTC come down knows it was a controlled demolition
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1043. To: AGAviator, RickyJ (#1042)
Watch the 40:23 second mark of this video?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1044. To: AGAviator, RickyJ, buckeroo, ALL (#1042)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1045. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#1041)
(Edited)
Professor Steven Jones Clings to His Belief That Jesus Visited the Aboriginal Americans
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1046. To: buckeroo (#886)
I already showed that his certification records have been witnessed and in the testimony in Congress about 9/11...... why should do your research.... by the way in that same document, it discloses who trained Hanjour and helped him through the testing processes.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#1047. To: buckeroo, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#886)
I already showed that his certification records have been witnessed and in the testimony in Congress about 9/11...... why should do your research.... by the way in that same document, it discloses who trained Hanjour and helped him through the testing processes.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#1048. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, RickyJ, abraxas, wudidiz, Original_Intent, ALL (#1039)
Professor Steven Jones Clings to His Belief That Jesus Visited the Aboriginal Americans
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1049. To: AGAviator (#1045)
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I show you a real and published "religious belief" of K00k in Chief Steven Jones, which you completely ignore becuse you're too stupid to see that you falsely accuse others of all that you're guilty of yourself.
#1050. To: AGAviator, ALL (#1045)
Immediately after falsely accusing buck of a "religious belief," I show you a real and published "religious belief" of K00k in Chief Steven Jones, which you completely ignore becuse you're too stupid to see that you falsely accuse others of all that you're guilty of yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1051. To: abraxas, AGAviator (#1049)
lol......that's NOT physicist Steven Jones AGABLOWviator. It is ignored because you're too stupid to realize that more than one person could have the extremely common name, Steven Jones.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1052. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#1051)
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#1053. To: FormerLurker (#1044)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1054. To: IRTorqued (#1047)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1055. To: abraxas (#1052)
In the end, AGABLOWviator makes himself look like a complete asswipe.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#1056. To: CurrentCircleJerker, buckeroo (#1051)
lol......that's NOT physicist Steven Jones AGABLOWviator
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1057. To: abraxas (#1049)
Real and published OTHER PERSON.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1058. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1052)
lol.....I'm sure he thought he REALLY had something there and, of course, he doesn't dig any deeper than a common name prior to posting.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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