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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
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Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#1059. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#1050)
And a hyperlink which proves you are a lying SOS, and it is in fact pseudo physicist Steven E. Jones making those claims. Research Interests and Background Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy,[2][3] and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon.[4] For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre- Columbian horses in the Americas,[5] and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America.[6]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey fucktard, besides being a major stupid fuck who loves to post known lies and can't tell the difference between a college professsor with a Ph. D. in Physics and a doctor in divinity who has his own ministry, you have a very foul mouth when you speak to women. Abraxas is female, so have a bit of class and stop acting like the low-life gutter rat your mom raised you as.
Lol.....now, that right there is FUNNY. Well, he was at BYU, so he could have done some work trying to make the Book of Mormon legit. I forgot about that. Still, it doesn't discredit his work in physics simply because he has interestes beyond his field. The difference between me and you, AGABLOWviator, is that I have no problem admitting that I might not be right all the time. You see, a lie is when a person INTENTIONALLY misleads another. I can truthfully say, I haven't done that, although I have witnessed YOU do that more than once.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
lol........spittin' on your monitor. Pull those panties out and try to take a deep breath.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
you have a very foul mouth when you speak to women. Abraxas is female (1) Steven E. Jones the physicist is the author of the piece of work I cite. There is no Steven Jones the doctor of divinity except in your own delusional head. (2) Anybody who calls me a liar, and is lying himself/herself in doing so, will get the same treatment that any scumsucking cretin gets male or female. If she is a female she's an even more low lifer than Mel Gibson's co dependent, because she's cheering on the rest of you lying sociopaths while Gibson's plaything is trying to protect a child. If your accomplice wants respect, she'll need to start showing some.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The point is your lying co dependents first raise the issue of religious beliefs, then deny Steven Jones has any of his own, even to the point of falsely claiming it wasn't the same Steven Jones and giving themselves high fives that I would make such an error which in fact is the truth. Fact is, it is Steven E. Jones the physicist claiming Christ visited the Mayans, and Jones does in fact have religious beliefs which interfere with his scientific objectivity. And your co dependents are pathological liars who make false statements as easily as they beathe, without even thinking.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You lied. Nothing to do about panties, except maybe yours and I don't want to go there.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey shit for brains, here's the BIO on Dr. Stephen Jones, Dr. of Divinity (or whatever) who has his own ministry and only obtained a degree in Theology, not Physics... Dr. STEPHEN E. Jones was born in Marion, Indiana January 29, 1950. At the age of three, his parents went as missionaries to the Philippine Islands under the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and they spent a total of nine years in that far-off land. Upon returning to America, they lived in Minnesota, where Stephen finished high school and then went to St. Paul Bible College and the University of Minnesota, majoring in Philosophy and Humanities. He later received his masters degree and doctorate from the Minnesota Graduate School of Theology. Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, and his Ph.D. in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his Ph.D. research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[1] Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy,[2] [3] and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon.[4] For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre- Columbian horses in the Americas, [5] and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America. [6] In the mid-1980s, Jones and other BYU scientists worked on what he then referred to as Cold Nuclear Fusion in a Scientific American article, but is today known as muon-catalyzed fusion to avoid confusion. Muon-catalyzed fusion was a field of some interest in the 1980s, but its low energy output appears to be unavoidable (due to alpha-muon sticking losses). Jones led a research team that in 1986 achieved 150 fusions per muon (average), releasing over 2,600 MeV of fusion energy per muon, a record which still stands.[7] Around 1985 Jones then became interested in the anomalous concentration of helium-3 found in the gases escaping from volcanoes. He hypothesized that the high pressures in the Earth's interior might make fusion more likely, and began a series of experiments on what he referred to as piezofusion, or high- pressure fusion. In order to characterize the reactions, Jones designed and built a neutron counter able to accurately measure the tiny numbers of neutrons being produced in his experiments. The counter suggested a small amount of fusion was going on. Jones said the result suggested at least the possibility of fusion, though the process was unlikely to be useful as an energy source. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann (Pons and Fleischmann or P&F) started their work around the same time. Their work was brought to Jones' attention when they applied for research funding from the Department of Energy, after which the DOE passed their proposal along to Jones for peer review. Realizing their work was very similar, Jones and P&F agreed to release their papers to Nature on the same day, March 24, 1989. However, P&F announced their results at a press event the day before. Jones faxed his paper to Nature. [8] A New York Times article says that while peer reviewers were quite critical of Pons and Fleishchmann's research they did not apply such criticism to Jones' much more modest, theoretically supported findings. Although critics insisted that his results likely stemmed from experimental error,[9] most of the reviewing physicists indicated that he was a careful scientist. Later research and experiments supported the metallic cold fusion reports by Jones.[10] OK, he has a nutty religion. He probably was born into it and really hasn't given it a great deal of thought. If that is the best you can do discredit him then he must be squeaky clean and has very valid points that you have no credible argument against. Well, you actually can't argue against anyone cause you are a retard.
God is always good!
Fact is, it is Steven E. Jones the physicist claiming Christ visited the Mayans, and Jones does in fact have religious beliefs which interfere with his scientific objectivity. You are a LYING POS FUCKTARD. Who wrote that POS article on DU, YOU perhaps?
Can you find a BYU professor who doesn't work on research to make the Book of Mormon legit? It's a prerequisite for hire you know. I read the paper in it's entirety.......nothing too kooky, simply comparing some Myan artifacts to information in the Book of Mormom. Again, this doesn't in anyway discredit his work in physics. You do realize that Newton was an excellent student of astrology, the Emerald Tablets and other "occult" works. Do you call Newton a kook too? Oh, that's right, Newton's theories don't jive with your 911 goobermint fairy tale, so he must be a kook.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
AGLyingShillster is LYING. Dr. Stephen Jones the PHYSICIST in NOT the same Dr. Stephen Jones, Dr. of Theology that AGFag is claiming him to be. He FABRICATED the minister Stephen Jones background by taking the PHYSICIST Dr. Stephen Jones background and claiming it was the minister's.
He wrote it. But, it's not nearly as kooky as AGABLOWviator wants to make it out to be. It's not a peer reviewed work of science or anything like that, it's simply a BYU pet project, like all BYU profs do as part of their employment contract. Here's a full link to the paper: Who wrote that POS article on DU, YOU perhaps?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It's not the same person abraxas, AGAviator fabricated it. He cut and pasted Dr. Stephen Jones background and pasted as the Reverend Stephen Jones background. The Reverend Jones is NOT a physicist, and only went to school for Theology.
Unlike you, running around calling everybody who disagrees with me a FUCKWIT, I actually looked up the paper and read it, then posted on that reasearch while you continue to spew middle school insults that make you look like an asswipe.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Sigh, having married a Steven, I can tell you there is a difference between Steven spelled with a V and Stephen spelled with a PH. Someone needs to take a deep breath and get over it.
Name calling is juvenile.
It's not the same Dr. Jones. Here's a link to Dr. Jones the reverend... And here's the wiki page on Dr. Stephen Jones the physicist... Just as with the "Hanjour wasn't a pilot" ***gaffe,*** you're gonna get your punk a$$ kicked on this lie too, goober. Steven E. Jones the BYU PhD physicist is the identical same person as the author of "Christ visited the Mayans" and I have already provided the links proving this. You Lie. You Breathe.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God's Kingdom Ministries Unfortunately Dr. Jones the Reverend did not write the "Christ visited the Mayans" blurb, so you are once again...WRONG.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Google the article name and it comes right up in pdf. I provided the link. It's from BYU. It's not a peer reviewed paper. It's more of a power point presentation than a paper. Profs at BYU do all sorts of side research on such topics. Jones' interests also extend to archaeometry, solar energy, and, like many professors at BYU, archaeology and the Book of Mormon. For example, he has sought radiocarbon dating evidence of the existence of pre-Columbian horses in the Americas, and has interpreted archaeological evidence from the ancient Mayans as supporting his faith's belief that Jesus Christ visited America. (Wiki)
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The Reverend Jones is NOT a physicist, and only went to school for Theology. The physicist one is devout Mormon. There also seems to be a Rev. Jones as well who is not the physicist. Beyond that I have no idea what you guys are talking about, nor do I care. I'm out.
Name calling is juvenile.
Profs at BYU do all sorts of side research on such topics. Ok, I did find it. Thought perhaps AG modified wiki to suit his purpose, but no, I did in fact find the PDF. So I admit I was wrong, although it IS highly suspicious that their is ANOTHER Dr. Jones, a reverend, spelt with a PH in Stephen rather than a V as in Dr. Steven Jones the physicist. Odd coincidence, and given AG's honesty, I instantly thought he was up to his old tricks. So ok AGAviator, I'll admit I'm wrong here. Now when are YOU going to admit you're wrong on the things you ARE wrong about?
You are such a conspiracy theorist, AGABLOWviator. Now you think that a mispelling of his name was some sinister play. Then, you make all these stupid and outlandish leaps into my posts that aren't even there. You've had plenty of your own lies on this thread and the other, but you've never owned up to any. I said take a breather to calm yourself down, stop spitting on your monitor and making an asshole of yourself. Apparently, you simply "can't" stop. It's comical. You see, I make a mistake which isn't the same as a lie, and I own up to it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
In fact, that's WHY you posted that TOTALLY irrelevant piece of "info" on Jones, you KNEW there was another Dr. Stephen (instead of Steven) E. Jones, who WAS a reverend and you knew either I or someone else would look it up and find it. Just a cheap way to "score one", eh?
Don't hold your breath waiting. I've made several posts, noting the article and the error. He ignores them all while he continues churning silly conspiracies about the lot of us and calling me a FUCKWIT. I've noted time and again, when AGABLOWviator is caught in a lie or intentionally spewing disinformation, he checks out for a spell and then returns as if nothing happened a short time later. But, he thinks he so sly that nobody notices.......lol.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
lol........yeah, because I'm always chasing posters around calling them fucktard and fuckwit and major stupid fucks when they disagree with me on various issues. Oh wait, that's you who does that, not me.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You forgot to add that he declares victory when he returns, hours later.
A religious belief does not interfere with the ability to perform research on theoretical particles apparently.
He probably talks to his mom that way. Really classy guy.
The thread is about "911 conspiracy theories challenged." Jerker posted an insult to buck, claiming buck had a religious belief about 19 ragheads. I then posted a factual account of Prof Steven E. Jones's religious belief about Jesus Christ visiting the Mayans, which shows Jones' religious bias and methodology underlying his 911 CT'ers thinking process. The twit couldn't see the releance of what I posted, and I then had to explain to the twit how the two religious belief allegations had something in common. The response to this post was the usual cacaphony of personal attacks and lies. The lies have been disproven and the personal attacks therefore are the attacks of proven liars. None of you has provided any objective proof on anything at any time. All you do is make arm-waving conclusions and zero backup. I don't miss anything in my absences. You're all brain dead repeating the same old nostrums for the past 8 1/2 years.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL!!! WHAT 40:23 second mark? Is this guy drinking out of the same Sterno both you and buck are chugging? What sort of bullshit is this, the guy has the video running at super slow motion, and gives his "own" time that we are supposed to just accept on faith. What a crock. The liars think the truthers are stupid.
I then posted The twit The response to this post All you do You're all brain dead That post is like reading a note taken from a middle school girl. Yawn.......diversion to bitching duly noted.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The only "jerkers" here are you and buck, and I'm sure you're both very close. It's also quite obvious that you BOTH have a fervent religious belief in the "Official 9/11 Faerie Tale ™", and that you both get highly agitated and foam at the mouth whenever anybody posts facts and evidence that contradicts your religous belief in that story. That you decided to play games here and post about a professor's private life in terms of his religion shows how desparate you are. You have nothing else, so you resort to character assassination to "win" your "argument", somehow projecting that man's sincere religious beliefs across the entire spectrum of topics that relate to 9/11, to prove we are all "k00ks". What a piece of work you are. That's why I thought you fabricated it, since you WOULD stoop that low if you thought you could get away with it.
He more than likely did his Dr. Jones show in order to push that video off the current view, so that people couldn't see how ridiculous his video was, and the claims he made stating how accurate it was and how we're all stupid.
He more than likely did his Dr. Jones show in order to push that video off the current view, so that people couldn't see how ridiculous his video was, and the claims he made stating how accurate it was and how we're all stupid. I don't understand why someone would want to be a part of the liar movement.
with the caliber of his other posts I'd say bucky is that stupid and more often than not the only thing to come out of his mouth on the subject is AGovshill's penis.
it would cause the unemployment numbers to jump by three; as bucky, AGovshill and turtle would be out of liar movement work.
The thread is about "911 conspiracy theories challenged." You haven't done too well on any of those. Being debunked on ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're the one who introduced "religious belief" into the discussion thread about challenges to demolition theory," anaerobe. You can dish it out but can't take it. No surprise from a loser. That's how you all operate.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who are you trying to fool? Er, let's see who is it calling others FUCKWIT, FUCKTARD, stupid fuck.....yada, yada, yada. What a hypocrite you are!! Like I said, your diversion to bitching and insults are duly noted. Now, put the stones down, no need tossing them at others from your glass house. Epic fail on what you deem a "clouting" on 1-15......more delusions of adequacy.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Zobgy says 4.2% as of 2006. Got any better numbers? I give you Six Percent and that's being generous. You've had 8 years. How many Congress people, how many local elected officials? How many of the 60something lawsuits against Obama have even gotten to discovery instead of immediate dismissals and fulminations from the bench about filing false evidence, not following protocol correctly, in order to try to make political points not suited for court cases.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1060. To: AGAviator (#1058)
No, stupid fuckwit, you didn't dig any deeper than an off the cuff excuse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1061. To: AGAviator (#1056)
I'm starting to think the only creature that tells more lies than you is Satan himself.
#1062. To: AGAviator (#1058)
#1063. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#1060)
Hey fucktard, besides being a major stupid fuck who loves to post known lies and can't tell the difference between a college professsor with a Ph. D. in Physics and a doctor in divinity who has his own ministry
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1064. To: abraxas (#1061)
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. Still, it doesn't discredit his work in physics simply because he has interestes beyond his field.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1065. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1062)
Pull those panties out and try to take a deep breath
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1066. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, abraxas, Original_Intent, RickyJ, IRTorqued, ALL (#1058)
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No, stupid fuckwit, you didn't dig any deeper than an off the cuff excuse. I research my posts. Steven E. Jones the so called physicist is the author of the said work. Enjoy eating another helping of stagnant $hit. You've earned it. Steven E. Jones
Now here's some info on the PHYSICIST Dr. STEVEN Jones, Ph. D. Physics. Education
Research interests and background
Muon-catalyzed fusion
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1067. To: AGAviator (#1064)
Fact is, it is Steven E. Jones the physicist claiming Christ visited the Mayans, and Jones does in fact have religious beliefs which interfere with his scientific objectivity.
#1068. To: AGAviator, ALL (#1064)
The point is your lying co dependents first raise the issue of religious beliefs, then deny Steven Jones has any of his own, even to the point of falsely claiming it wasn't the same Steven Jones and giving themselves high fives that I would make such an error which in fact is the truth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1069. To: AGAviator (#1039)
#1070. To: RickyJ, abraxas, ALL (#1067)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1071. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1068)
Who wrote that POS article on DU, YOU perhaps?
#1072. To: abraxas (#1069)
Can you find a BYU professor who doesn't work on research to make the Book of Mormon legit?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1073. To: AGAviator (#1065)
You lied.
#1074. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#1068)
#1075. To: abraxas, RickyJ (#1071)
It's not a peer reviewed work of science or anything like that, it's simply a BYU pet project, like all BYU profs do as part of their employment contract.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1076. To: CurrentJerker, buckeroo (#1070)
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He FABRICATED the minister Stephen Jones background by taking the PHYSICIST Dr. Stephen Jones background and claiming it was the minister's.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1077. To: CurrenJerker, buckeroo (#1075)
Here's a link to Dr. Jones the reverend...
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1078. To: FormerLurker (#1072)
#1079. To: FormerLurker, abraxas (#1072)
It's not the same person abraxas, AGAviator fabricated it. He cut and pasted Dr. Stephen Jones background and pasted as the Reverend Stephen Jones background.
#1080. To: abraxas, AGAviator, buckeroo, RickyJ, ALL (#1078)
Google the article name and it comes right up in pdf. I provided the link. It's from BYU. It's not a peer reviewed paper. It's more of a power point presentation than a paper.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1081. To: AGAviator (#1064)
#1082. To: AGAviator (#1077)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1083. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, buckeroo, RickyJ, ALL (#1080)
So ok AGAviator, I'll admit I'm wrong here. Now when are YOU going to admit you're wrong on the things you ARE wrong about?
#1084. To: AGAviator (#1063)
If your accomplice wants respect, she'll need to start showing some.
#1085. To: abraxas (#1083)
I've noted time and again, when AGABLOWviator is caught in a lie or intentionally spewing disinformation, he checks out for a spell and then returns as if nothing happened a short time later. But, he thinks he so sly that nobody notices.......lol.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1086. To: AGAviator (#1064)
Fact is, it is Steven E. Jones the physicist claiming Christ visited the Mayans, and Jones does in fact have religious beliefs which interfere with his scientific objectivity.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1087. To: abraxas (#1083)
He ignores them all while he continues churning silly conspiracies about the lot of us and calling me a FUCKWIT.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1088. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1083)
I've made several posts, noting the article and the error. He ignores them all while he continues churning silly conspiracies about the lot of us and calling me a FUCKWIT.
He checks out for a spell and then returns as if nothing happened a short time later
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1089. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, RickyJ (#1043)
Watch the 40:23 second mark of this video?
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1090. To: AGAviator, buckeroo (#1088)
Jerker posted an insult
#1091. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, abraxas (#1088)
(Edited)
Jerker posted an insult to buck, claiming buck had a religious belief about 19 ragheads.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1092. To: wudidiz (#1089)
The liars think the truthers are stupid.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#1093. To: FormerLurker (#1092)
The liars think the truthers are stupid.
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#1094. To: FormerLurker (#1002)
Since building 7 could NOT have collapsed any other way than by controlled demolition, do you think some guy stood there with a Bic lighter inside the building and lit a fuse?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#1095. To: James Deffenbach (#1054)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#1096. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1090)
.......diversion to bitching duly noted.
(1) The 9.22 freefall time,
Yeah, if I got clouted on these issues and others I'd try to make it personal too.
(2)The AA cabin door not opening claims,
(3) Claims that Hajour couldn't fly and never had a license,
(4) Denials that Prof. Steven E. Jones authored "Christ Visited the Mayans,"
(5) Claims of "molten steel" which was actually burning aluminum and office fire trash,
(6) The kinetic energy of the WTC airliner crashes being over 1 giagajoule,
(7) Trashing Thomas Eagar without providing any substantive facts on his WTC explanation, his CV, or his patents,
(8) The false claim that structures falling at less than near free fall speeds are still CD's when in fact CD companies spend months setting up buildings to make sure they fall straight down as quickly as possible,
(9) The statement by Controlled Demoliton President Mark Loziaux that it would simply not be possible for any WTC building to be prepped for CD's without being seen,
(9) The back pedaling on a statement by a former CD employee saying he actually does not know what caused the WTC collapses, but he is putting forth scenarios of equipment he believes could have been used,
(10) The easily debunked statements about insider trading pre 911,
(11) The false claim the WTC building was designed to withstand a 600 mph jet crash when in fact it was designed for a 250 knot air space speed the max allowed where it was located,
(12) The idiotic claim that "they" wanted to hit the Pentagon, but only in harmless places - it was all part of the conspiracy to whack New York but not Washington Pentagon chickenhawks,
(13) Over 30 phone calls describing hijackers recorded giving seat numbers and hijacker descriptions,
(14) "Pull" = "pull down with cables" construction, and = "pull back" fire fighters,
(15) Niels Harrit "peer review" = $800 pay to publish Dubai hole in the wall
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1097. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#1091)
A professor's private life in terms of his religion
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#1098. To: AGAviator, buckaroo (#1096)
I'd try to make it personal too.
#1099. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#1098)
(Edited)
Epic fail on what you deem a "clouting" on 1-15......more delusions of adequacy
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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