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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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Views: 22361
Comments: 1209

An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design. Subscribe to *4um PSY-OP Club*

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#1169. To: buckeroo, ALL (#1159) (Edited)

You are agreeing with both AG and myself. Look at the way he flew AAFLT77... his antics were not based on anything resembling good methods.

You are insane. By showing you how he COULDN'T have possibly flown that aircraft, you are trying to say I agree with you?

Have you lost your mind?

The manner in which that plane was flown was described by air traffic controllers as resembling how a high performance military jet would be flown, where only a highly skilled pilot could accomplish such manuevers, if they were even possible in a 757, which is debatable.

Yet you continue to lie about what has been said here, it's your ONLY tool since the truth is NOT on your side.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   17:17:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1170. To: Original_Intent (#1160)

Is that a rhetorical question?

I'm still trying to figure out if it's an act. I mean, how many people are really THAT stupid?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   17:19:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1171. To: buckeroo (#1161)

It's apparent that you are engaging in the SAME EXACT lies and misrepresentations which have been directed at the American People since 9/11 concerning ANY of the facts which relate to 9/11.

I hope the pay is good, because if there is such a thing as an afterlife, you will be quite unhappy for a long time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   17:23:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1172. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, all (#1170)

Is that a rhetorical question?

I'm still trying to figure out if it's an act. I mean, how many people are really THAT stupid?

Given that he is artfully stupid I would tend to think that it is an intentional front and that he is not quite as stupid as he acts and posts - merely deceitfully stupid.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-23   18:22:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1173. To: Original_Intent (#1172)

Given that he is artfully stupid I would tend to think that it is an intentional front and that he is not quite as stupid as he acts and posts - merely deceitfully stupid.

Well he and AGAviator have both certainly helped bring the 9/11 truth message out by forcing us to respond with facts and reason against their false claims, junk science, and misrepresentations. Look at the view count of this thread...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   18:37:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1174. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, all (#1173)

Well he and AGAviator have both certainly helped bring the 9/11 truth message out by forcing us to respond with facts and reason against their false claims, junk science, and misrepresentations. Look at the view count of this thread...

You know what is uproariously funny? Buck getting his kiester handed to him on his own thread. LOL!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-23   18:53:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1175. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#1174)

You know what is uproariously funny? Buck getting his kiester handed to him on his own thread. LOL!

That's probably what caused him to throw such awful tantrums, run away, and sulk.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   18:59:34 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1176. To: buckeroo, AGAviator (#1137) (Edited)

9) The statement by Controlled Demoliton President Mark Loziaux that it would simply not be possible for any WTC building to be prepped for CD's without being seen,

I'm going to reprint Post #1109 here, which was addressed to AGAviator, because the link in it to Post #982 isn't working there. Here it is again with that link fixed:

#1109. To: AGAviator (#1096) (Edited)

(9) The statement by Controlled Demoliton President Mark Loziaux that it would simply not be possible for any WTC building to be prepped for CD's without being seen,

I'm going to be generous, AGA, and give you one more chance to stop peddling that baseless nonsense bolded above which I cautioned you earlier about here: Post #982

Cease and desist pretending that there isn't more than enough in evidence there and in the NIST report to debunk that farcical "talking point" of the guv issued fable, else you will be deemed exposed and PWND as a Willful Liar.

As for Loizeaux, he states himself that 9/11 ruined him on account of everybody got too scared of loud noises after that, so that should be a clue to you that he isn't playing with a full deck, as they say. Obviously, the real reason his business disipated afterwards was because his prospective customers musta lurnt there's no use for his expensive "artform" anymore. All that's necessary is to punch a hole -- or a few holes -- in a building, sprinkle it with some trademark Magical Jet Fuel, light up a match, and wait a bit for it to burn down into its own footprint, yes?

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The title of this topic is: 9/11 demolition theory challenged. The info accesible through Post #982 refutes claims like Mark Loizeaux's - - not just challenges them but refutes (with data from the NIST report even, as evidence) the false premise that the WTC buildings couldn't be prepped for CD without being seen. This is one more warning that continuing to push that nonsensical premise of the Official Conspiracy Theory will result in the ramification of discrediting yourselves as Willful Liars. It would therefore be in your best interests to concede the point that prepping controlled demolitions definitely could have been done covertly and move on to debating fire from planes "physics" v. controlled demolition.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-23   19:28:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1177. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1098) (Edited)

Er, let's see who is it calling others FUCKWIT, FUCKTARD, stupid fuck.....yada, yada, yada.

So let's see where the stink bomb throwing on this thread started, shall we?

#41. To: buckeroo (#39)
perfect, asswipe
Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 20:14:03 ET

#44. To: Rotara (#42)
Lol.......I have a sinister plan to pay for all of that counseling. Draft a ten step plan: How to get onto Buck's Bozo Filter. Many at 4um will open their wallets happily for such a valuable, dare I say priceless, information. They will pay double if the plan applies to AGAviator.
abraxas posted on 2010-07-17 20:20:34 ET

#108. To: buckeroo (#104)
wow and you learned how to use the blink tag too, that must be why they made you a ranking member of the liar movement you are a down right genieass.
IRTorqued posted on 2010-07-18 0:36:32 ET

#117. To: AGAviator (#116)
...
Shit, if you can't even watch the f'n video where the eye witnesses will tell you exactly what you are asking of me, then you are hopeless and you really don't want any answers to the questions you pose.
The witnesses clearly articulate AN EXPLOSION.......watch for yourself or shut your pie hole.
abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 1:14:15 ET

#119. To: abraxas, AGAviator (#117)
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Objection your honor! There is no evidence that the accused puts pie in it. (I do so love double entendres.) ;-)
Original_Intent posted on 2010-07-18 1:18:53 ET

#127. To: AGAviator (#126)
...
How can you simply lie like that on a public forum? As if others won't notice that your are blatantly dishonest. What a dork!!
abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 2:48:06 ET

#146. To: AGAviator (#142)
I'm not interested in your dishonesty about the contents of the video. I know what the WITNESSES stated.......only you think you know more about what they witnessed despite being far, far away.
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YOU, nowhere near the buildings (kissing government ass in another state I suspect), claim that YOU know more about these explosions that frickin' EYE WITNESSES and people who WORKED in the buildings and people who SAVED LIVES on that day. YOU and the government can IGNORE them, but that only discredits your official bullshit story more.
You run along and tell these people who were there that they are full of shit and only YOU know the truth of the matter. I know, not only are you a liar but you are also a coward who wouldn't say word one to them if you had them front and center, but it's real easy to talk shit about what they witnessed from such a distance.
abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 15:53:33 ET

#148. To: abraxas (#146)
Good post, abraxas.
James Deffenbach posted on 2010-07-18 16:18:59 ET

#157. To: buckeroo (#154) ...
Photographic evidence and testimony from demo EXPERTS, not Internet bloviators, confirm that.
abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 17:06:12 ET

From the thread history, it's very clear you "FUCKWITS, FUCKTARDS, and stupid fucks" start the name calling, then snivel and whine when you get repaid in kind.

As for you personally, Circle Jerk Fag Hag, you have long ago forefeited any privileges being female by your own disrespect for others.

Your role as a group cheerleader for a group of cowardly jerkoffs who hide behind banning filters, then take sneak peeks by looking at replies, makes you someone deserving of the type of rants Mel Gibson serves up to Oksana.

Fuck you in your a$$, hypocritical Circle Jerk Fag Hag.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-23   20:19:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1178. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#1174)

You know what is uproariously funny? Buck getting his kiester handed to him on his own thread. LOL!

No, what's uproariously funny is a cowardly circle jerk eunuch like you hiding behind a banning filter, but still trying to get pot shots in by postings to 3rd parties without ever answering questions directly.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-23   20:22:15 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1179. To: All (#1176) (Edited)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-23   20:26:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1180. To: Original_Indent, buckeroo (#1162)

You, and AGGravator, have been misrepresenting Hanjour's LEARNER'S PERMIT

Another lie.

It was a commercial pilot license, which was valid and signed off as of April 15, 1999.

You can't even read a full size document, enlarged right in front of your face.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-23   20:26:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1181. To: AGAviator (#1177)

Fuck you in your a$$, hypocritical Circle Jerk Fag Hag.

Gee, AGABLOWviator, you have put two of my posts in that "display" that is somehow supposed to prove something.

Note, that in neither of my posts do I call you FUCKWIT, FUCKTARD or anything of the sort.

Egads, now you want to go anal on ME? You are two gross for words, pal.

lol.....coming from the master of circle jerks who has anal sex on his mind, I'll take it all with a big ol' grain o' salt.

Thanks for once again proving my point.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-23   20:29:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1182. To: AGAviator, christine (#1177)

As for you personally, Circle Jerk Fag Hag, you have long ago forefeited any privileges being female by your own disrespect for others.

Your role as a group cheerleader for a group of cowardly jerkoffs who hide behind banning filters, then take sneak peeks by looking at replies, makes you someone deserving of the type of rants Mel Gibson serves up to Oksana.

Fuck you in your a$$, hypocritical Circle Jerk Fag Hag.

Wow, that's showing some real class there buttwipe. You're a real tough guy on the Internet aren't you. I bet you crap your pants when you speak to women in real life...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   20:50:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1183. To: AGAviator (#1180)

It was a commercial pilot license, which was valid and signed off as of April 15, 1999.

A commercial license allows a person to take advanced training on particular types of aircraft, it isn't a license to actually fly a jet for instance.

Try again.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   20:54:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1184. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, AGAviator (#1162)

You, and AGGravator, have been misrepresenting Hanjour's LEARNER'S PERMIT as a license to BE a commercial pilot

Hey asswipe... your buttbuddy, FL made his license a BFD On at least 50 separate posts from 527 thrpough 904 until I produced the documentation on 907 and 909.... not AG or myself. Look it up yourself on this thread.

And so when I PROVE the documentation, its just a "learner's permit" .... FUCK YOU weasel.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:02:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1185. To: FormerLurker (#1183)

A commercial license allows a person to take advanced training on particular types of aircraft, it isn't a license to actually fly a jet for instance.

HEY ASSWIPE ... you begged for the documentation for at least 50 posts.... now you are saying something else.

FL: You are now FUCKINGLIAR in my book.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:07:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1186. To: FormerLurker, christine, AGAviator (#1182)

Wow, that's showing some real class there buttwipe. You're a real tough guy on the Internet aren't you. I bet you crap your pants when you speak to women in real life...

Ahhh.. telling the site hostess that you got your ass kicked? Poor widdle puppy.....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:08:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1187. To: abraxas (#1181)

Note, that in neither of my posts do I call you FUCKWIT, FUCKTARD or anything of the sort.

You have been egging AG on throughout with BS, lack of knowledge and certainly without any originality.

Yeah... you have really caused a problem.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:10:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1188. To: AGAviator (#1180)

You [O_I] can't even read a full size document, enlarged right in front of your face.

He is a dumbfuck, for sure.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:11:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1189. To: AGAviator, James Deffenbach (#1178)

No, what's uproariously funny is a cowardly circle jerk eunuch like you hiding behind a banning filter, but still trying to get pot shots in by postings to 3rd parties without ever answering questions directly.

That is Jimmies way ... he is just a side-liner rooting in the shit without a single creative thought..... even an imagined one.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:12:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1190. To: GreyLmist (#1176)

The title of this topic is: 9/11 demolition theory challenged. The info accesible through Post #982 refutes claims like Mark Loizeaux's

That isn't the author of the article of this thread.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:14:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1191. To: FormerLurker (#1175)

That's probably what caused him to throw such awful tantrums, run away, and sulk.

You have continuously lied, badgered, and fucked the thread up with off topics such Hanjour's background. You have spent days and tens if not at least hundreds of posts throwing this thread off track.

You are a proven liar, FUCKINGLIAR.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:17:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1192. To: James Deffenbach (#1174)

You know what is uproariously funny? Buck getting his kiester handed to him on his own thread. LOL!

Hey! Peanut gallery.... you don't know your ass from a hole in the wall.... just like your pals.... that have lied and swindled this thread into total BS.....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:18:32 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1193. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, christine (#1186)

Ahhh.. telling the site hostess that you got your ass kicked? Poor widdle puppy.....

Er, no retard, I was bringing it to christine's attention that your pal AGAviator is saying some pretty nasty things to a woman on this thread, KNOWING that she's a woman, and going over the top with his graphic sexual fantasies directed towards her.

How not surprising you support his behavior.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:20:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1194. To: Original_Intent (#1172)

Given that he is artfully stupid I would tend to think that it is an intentional front and that he is not quite as stupid as he acts and posts - merely deceitfully stupid.

As always ... no fact no truth .. just BS....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:20:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1195. To: buckeroo (#1191)

You are a proven liar, FUCKINGLIAR.

Hitting the bottle again buckie? You shouldn't mix that stuff with Sterno.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:21:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1196. To: FormerLurker, christine, AGAviator (#1193)

Er, no retard, I was bringing it to christine's attention that your pal AGAviator is saying some pretty nasty things to a woman on this thread, KNOWING that she's a woman, and going over the top with his graphic sexual fantasies directed towards her.

How not surprising you support his behavior.

Hey dickwad ... you don't know anything... but silly BS.... you have caused the issues of being offensive yourself. The thread PROVES IT, FUCKINGLIAR.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:22:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1197. To: FormerLurker (#1195)

Go fuck yourself... you can't dio any original research yourself but copy and paste shit from a conspiracy website.

I am tired of you wasting time. You have lied ... and then you lie to cover up your lies.

FUCK OFF.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:23:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1198. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, AGAviator (#1184)

And so when I PROVE the documentation, its just a "learner's permit" .... FUCK YOU weasel.

I asked you to post a copy of the license, and it took you what, 400 posts or so to finally cough it up?

So ok, I was able to find Hanjour's name was spelt HANJOOR on his license, and with that I found some facts about his real background and abilities, which I posted on the following thread, which totally disproves any notion that he had the ability to fly an airplane, where his flight instructors called the FAA to see if he really had a commericial license, since he didn't have the skills required to fly an airplane nor could he adequately speak or understand English, which is ALSO a requirement for a valid license;

Al Qaeda’s Top Gun - Willful Deception by the 9/11 Commission


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:29:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1199. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#1196)

Hey dickwad ... you don't know anything... but silly BS.... you have caused the issues of being offensive yourself. The thread PROVES IT, FUCKINGLIAR.

Oh yes buckie, I'M the one being offensive here, not you. Oh no, not you or your precious little AGAviator.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:31:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1200. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#1198)

I asked you to post a copy of the license, and it took you what, 400 posts or so to finally cough it up?

YOU FUCKING LIAR... you only asked about that somewhere in the 9xx directed to me.

Meanwhile, you have consumed the BW of this thread into silly prattle based on Hanjour from posts in the early 500s directed towards AG.

As always you lose, asswipe. You have been not been just a dickwad ... but a silly waste of my time.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:34:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1201. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#1199)

I'M the one being offensive here, not you.

Finally, the truth!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:35:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1202. To: buckeroo (#1197)

I am tired of you wasting time. You have lied ... and then you lie to cover up your lies.

Thing is buckwheat, YOU are the one who is lying here. I've not lied once, for one it's dishonest and immoral, and for two, why SHOULD I lie when I have the truth?

You spin, lie, accuse others of what you have just done, then repeat the cycle, over and over and over, where the only other person LYING here is your boyfriend, AGAviator, whom you apparently are very protective of.

yukon and Mad Dog appear to have a similar relationship. Hmmm.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:36:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1203. To: buckeroo (#1201)

Finally, the truth!

Never an opportunity goes by to take things out of context, where you take a sarcastic remark and repost it as if that is ALL I said.

You really ARE a little weasle, aren't you buckwheat.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:38:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1204. To: FormerLurker (#1198)

Al Qaeda’s Top Gun - Willful Deception by the 9/11 Commission

Fuck your BS links.... no math, no physics, no witnesses, no FACTS ... nothing but silly "probably babble."

It means nothing to me.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:39:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1205. To: FormerLurker (#1203)

Don't ping me anymore.. FUCKINGLIAR.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-23   21:40:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1206. To: buckeroo (#1204)

no math, no physics, no witnesses, no FACTS

Well at least you admit that's what you've been posting, just pure BS.

You have no clue as to physics, where I HAVE tried to converse with you about some VERY BASIC facts, such as the rate at which falling objects accelerate and hit the ground.

YOU were trying to sell the idea that the time it would take for the TOP of the towers to hit would depend on which part of the structure started collapsing first, where if it started collapsing below the top, the top would hit the ground SOONER than it would take for an object to fall the same distance through air.

That's how well you understand simple Jr. High School science, never mind high school physics.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:55:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1207. To: buckeroo (#1204)

Fuck your BS links....

Yep, hard evidence bothers you, doesn't it buckie...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:56:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1208. To: buckeroo (#1205)

Don't ping me anymore.. FUCKINGLIAR.

Stop posting your bullshit to me, and stop posting bullshit about me.

Admit that you've lied throughout the thread, otherwise I'll be forced to correct you each time you do.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-23   21:57:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1209. To: ALL (#1206)

this thread has degenerated to such a degree that i'm locking it. it's accomplishing nothing except for an embarrassing display of vulgarity.

christine  posted on  2010-07-23   22:01:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


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