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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design. Subscribe to *4um PSY-OP Club*

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#5. To: buckeroo, All (#0)

Who is Barry Jennings ?

'Pull it !' by Larry Silverstein and the WTC 7 singers

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   18:00:17 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rotara, buckeroo, turtle (#5) (Edited)

'Pull it !' by Larry Silverstein and the WTC 7 singers

In the demolition industry, "pull" a building means "pull down with cables," not "explode with explosives."

Silverstein of course, in his phone con with Fire Chief Daniel Nigro, uses "pull" to mean "pull the firefighters back because we've already had a terrible loss of life"

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-17   19:20:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AGAviator (#25)

I slip in with a very quick debunk on this one...

The insurmountable problem with this explanation of Silverstein’s statement is that there were no firefighters inside WTC 7. Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: “There was no firefighting in WTC 7”. The FEMA report on the collapses, from May, 2002, also says about the WTC 7 collapse: “no manual firefighting operations were taken by FDNY”. And an article by James Glanz in the New York Times on November 29, 2001 says about WTC 7: “By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from it for safety reasons.”

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/archive/nytimes_112901.html

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-17   19:26:31 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#26)

"Keep your eye on that building. It'll be coming down...The structural integrity is not there."

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-17   20:04:05 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: abraxas, AGAviator (#34)

"Keep your eye on that building. It'll be coming down...The structural integrity is not there."

More bs from the liar movement.

Of course you know this.

Just saying the structural integrity was not there does not make it so.

The structural integrity was there.

Until it was blown to smithereens by explosives.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-17   22:48:27 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wudidiz (#65)

The structural integrity was there.

After the collisions of the North and South towers, you are WRONG. The aircraft seriously weakened the central support system(s) while jet fuel ravaged six simultaneous floors that upon collision ignited further impairing the same support structures WHILE the active/passive fire control systems were ineffective.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   22:58:46 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Rotara (#70)

After the collisions of the North and South towers, you are WRONG.

It wasn't until after the towers collided that I was wrong.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-17   23:27:29 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Lod, Eric Stratton (#74) (Edited)

As to free-fall, I mean it didn't free-fall from top to bottom. WTC7 met less resistance increasing acceleration because of the accumulative mass from the upper floors on the lower floors.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   23:34:08 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-17   23:39:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Eric Stratton (#79)

I see where you are going. And WTC7 went fast. But that doesn't mean controlled demolition (CD) was used by anyone.

So explain your position that CD was used.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   23:44:38 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: buckeroo (#82)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-17   23:49:17 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Eric Stratton (#83)

Questions for you:

1) Was WTC7 structurally damaged as a result of the twin towers collapse? 2) Were fires within the WTC7 building raving all day as a result of the twin towers collapse?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   23:58:03 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-18   0:25:18 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Eric Stratton (#98)

Thank you BUT I am hoping to see some data beyond any beliefs. Is there any HARD evidence that WTC7 (or for that matter the twins) that clearly identifies CD?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18   0:27:37 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeroo (#101)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-18   0:28:44 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Eric Stratton (#102)

So refute the official reports and show that CD was used. If you can't, then fine ... enjoy your belief system.....

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18   0:31:18 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-18   0:37:05 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Eric Stratton (#109)

If controlled demolition charges were used, where are the eye witnesses, the HARD evidence and how could such an event occur with shattering the glass from floor to floor to floor before each floor fell.

And if CD happened, where was the acoustic energy bouncing around or echoing all over NYC streets?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18   0:41:02 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#149. To: Eric Stratton (#132)

You haven't seen the hundreds of people, hundreds of fucking people, saying exactly that on youtube?!?! Firefighters, police, "average joe" citizens, ...

I am not questioning the sincerity and authenticity of a few opinions and points of view based upon a disaster wherein thousands panicked for their own lives and ran to possible safety to allude their own deaths.

But a relative few stories taken into perspective with a much larger view shows little or no substance towards what really happened.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18 16:33:10 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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