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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design. Subscribe to *4um PSY-OP Club*

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#5. To: buckeroo, All (#0)

Who is Barry Jennings ?

'Pull it !' by Larry Silverstein and the WTC 7 singers

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   18:00:17 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rotara, buckeroo, turtle (#5) (Edited)

'Pull it !' by Larry Silverstein and the WTC 7 singers

In the demolition industry, "pull" a building means "pull down with cables," not "explode with explosives."

Silverstein of course, in his phone con with Fire Chief Daniel Nigro, uses "pull" to mean "pull the firefighters back because we've already had a terrible loss of life"

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-17   19:20:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AGAviator (#25)

I slip in with a very quick debunk on this one...

The insurmountable problem with this explanation of Silverstein’s statement is that there were no firefighters inside WTC 7. Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: “There was no firefighting in WTC 7”. The FEMA report on the collapses, from May, 2002, also says about the WTC 7 collapse: “no manual firefighting operations were taken by FDNY”. And an article by James Glanz in the New York Times on November 29, 2001 says about WTC 7: “By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from it for safety reasons.”

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/archive/nytimes_112901.html

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-17   19:26:31 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#26)

"Keep your eye on that building. It'll be coming down...The structural integrity is not there."

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-17   20:04:05 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: AGAviator (#34)

Er, are you simply going to ignore the EXPLOSIONS heard clearly in your own vids? You know, the kind of explosions that occur in controlled demolition right before the buildings fall down.........

Aren't you going to respond to the fact that ol' Larry Silverstein couldn't have meant "pull fire fighters" when there were no fire fighters in the building according to multiple government sources?

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-17   20:08:00 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#37)

Er, are you simply going to ignore the EXPLOSIONS heard clearly in your own vids?

Not everything that makes a noise is an ***explosion.***

"Explosions" start out by hurling objects in all directions - including upwards - at hundreds to thousands of miles per hour in a huge initial blast cloud, which gets smaller as time goes on.

Events which start with clouds that get bigger, and eject items only sideways or down at less than free fall speeds, don't fall into that category.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-17   22:35:02 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: AGAviator (#61)

Do you mean such as blowing all the windows out on the sub floors of the WTC buildings?

Like these eye witnesses report at this link: www.youtube.com/watch? v=Jcg8hMEmTVE&feature=related

People thought the subway exploded. The janitor saved peoples' lives from these explosions. Are you saying you know more than all of these people who were right there and heard these explosions, saw fireballs emerging from the elevator lobby, watched glass blow out all over the place? People burned ON THE SUBFLOORS with their skin hanging off......tell them it wasn't an explosion coming from the basement.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-17   22:44:57 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle, ccritter (#63)

Do you mean such as blowing all the windows out on the sub floors of the WTC buildings?

Show me some blast clouds sending things upwards, not just sideways and downward, at hundreds of MPH initial velocities, not just at speeds not even equalling sideways and downward speeds from gravity.

Then show me those blast clouds starting out big, and themselves expanding in all directions at hundreds of MPH, not clouds barely getting big as fast as dust- driven clouds expand.

Those scenarios would be explosions. Events falling short of these factors are not.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-18   1:09:39 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: AGAviator (#116)

Did you watch that video? The explosions were in the SUB FLOORS.

Why don't you watch it and explain to me how the eye witnesses are wrong and you are right.

They even talk about those dastardly blast clouds........burning their flesh and blowing them many feet away from where they were prior to the f'n explosions.

Shit, if you can't even watch the f'n video where the eye witnesses will tell you exactly what you are asking of me, then you are hopeless and you really don't want any answers to the questions you pose.

The witnesses clearly articulate AN EXPLOSION.......watch for yourself or shut your pie hole.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-18   1:14:15 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle, Original_Indent (#117)

Why don't you watch it and explain to me how the eye witnesses are wrong and you are right.

Your eyewitnesses link what they call "explosions" and "fireballs" with an airplane hitting the WTC at that exact same moment in time.

With the damage going through the building core. And branching out at various elevator and stairwell locations.

So you wanna say the eyewitnesses are right? Fine with me. The eyewitnesses say the blasts they're commenting on are the direct results of the airplane crash. Other than that, they have more unanswered comments, where they express not knowing what caused what they experienced, than they have observations or answers.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-18   2:21:13 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: AGAviator (#126)

It is extremely dishonest to ignore the multiple witnesses who said very clearly that the explosions were on the SUB FLOORS of the building. You ignore the janitor who saved peoples' lives and was an eye witness to explosions in the parking garages and where the generators were kept.

How can you simply lie like that on a public forum? As if others won't notice that your are blatantly dishonest. What a dork!!

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-18   2:48:06 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: abraxas (#127)

Interesting how people are rapidly coming back up to "fighting trim" with a little bit of shill activity on the board. Despite the annoyance I think it has had some beneficial affects. I know it has caused me to tighten my game back up a bit. I didn't realize how sloppy I was getting with little real opposition. ;-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-18   2:59:22 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Original_Intent (#129)

Despite the annoyance

ROTFL ... you can't argue your way with facts on any level.... but, I must say ... you can look pretty in your tutu dancing on the stage with a couple of suggestions while dancing and prancing around the main central theme of the thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18   16:36:48 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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