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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
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Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#549. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#539)
Hey you lying POS, when are you going to put your tail between you legs and scampper off to whatever hole you crawled out of?
Why do you give FormerLurker so much credit? He is not even close, based upon his "cabin door theories" "FLT77 from Ohio theories" "government complicit demolition theories" ... the list goes on and on and on..... He has successfully sidetracked this thread ( as always ) .... now, we are talking about Hanjour's background .... like that little terrorist is so remarkable.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh Lawd have mercy, my freakin' sides!!! I guess the next thing will be that all professional truck drivers will tell us that it is far easier to drive a fully loaded tractor trailer over an ice road in Alaska than a Volkswagon on a good road in clear weather. ahaha. I will probably chuckle over that one off and on the rest of the day. Thanks. I wouldn't have seen that insanity if you hadn't copied it in your reply.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. So I'm supposed to believe YOU, the forum liar, rather than the news reports that reported the facts concerning Hanjour's background, eh? Post the following information concerning Hanjour's commercial license; You see genius, you can't walk into an FAA office and tell them you want a commericial license, have them say ok, here ya go. You HAVE to FIRST take lessons for a SINGLE-ENGINE PRIVATE license, solo, acquire flight hours, THEN take a test with an FAA examiner, similar to driver's road test, where every aspect of a pilot's abilities are scrutinized, THEN if successful a PRIVATE SINGLE ENGINE license is issued. THEN, in order to fly MULTI-ENGINE planes, you need to take lessons for that and go through a similar process. THEN, a pilot would need to fly a simulator and take lessons for IFR flight, ie. flying with instruments only, and be examined for that, and be issued a IFR certificate. THEN, a pilot would need to log many hours of time IFR, and take lessons for a COMMERCIAL license, THEN be examined by the FAA for that. So go ahead and provide that information concerning his flight training and FAA certifications.
Yep, I'm sure B-52 pilots find it easier to fly those big suckers than a Cessna or Piper single engine. Just like it's much easier to pilot an oil tanker or aircraft carrier than it is operate a rowboat or a speed boat.
Hey numbnuts, are you STILL trying to say that FLT77 didn't fly over Ohio?
Find me ONE legitimate pilot who EVER said it's easier to fly an airliner than it is to fly a Cessna 172. Gawd, swatting you is about as much work as smacking an insect. What's best? The one that is the most difficult to fly! Well, within reason of course. A Cessna 152, for example, is more sensitive on the controls than it's larger brother, the 172. If you learn to fly in a 152, and then step-up to a 172 it will be a piece of cake to handle. It's more difficult the other way around. Generally speaking, the larger the aircraft the easier it is to fly. And, the guy that learns in a tail-dragger has a much easier time of transistioning to a tricycle gear than the tricycle driver does going the other direction. So, in my opinion, opt for the small trainer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, those rowboats are some hard work. I think I will apply for a job as captain of one of those oil tankers and have it made. Easy duty, no heavy lifting and simple work I guess. What could be better? Or maybe I will just decide that I want to be a pilot and fly for Delta or somebody since that is so simple. I wish I had known all this at a younger age.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Swatting you is as easy as smacking an insect. 0:35 "See, he was already certified. He didn't come to us for flight training" 0:40 "He already earned his private instrument commercial at a school in Arizona. I don't remember the name of the school, but he already had certificates in hand" 1:50 "Hanjour paid $400 cash and provided a valid pilot's license from Arizona, Bernard said."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that is all the members of the liar movement have, take away the bull and all that is left is their dung.
Yes, and they are BOTH SINGLE-ENGINE PRIVATE AIRCRAFT you bloviating idiot. He wasn't talking about airliners being easier to fly than a SINGLE ENGINE plane you retard. So go ahead and find the information genius. Find the name of that commericial flight school that he obtained his license from. Besides, who's to say that character on YouTube isn't a contract pilot for some alphabet soup agency. Don't tell there aren't any, as we ALL know better than that.
Airline pilots used to flying planes on autopilot with co crew members helping out, generally have more difficult times being single pilot in command on smaller private planes, with no backup, no flight computers, and no push button controls to do the work. If you knew jack$hit about aviation you would know that already.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet, he couldn't even fly a 172... HAHAHAHA!!!! This from The Prince George's Journal (Maryland), September 18, 2001: According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid- twenties, is suspected of crashing the American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. . . . Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a 'check-out' done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport which runs parallel to Route 50. Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed ... ... Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable. Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience. Pete Goulatta, a special agent and spokesman for the FBI, said it is an on- going criminal investigation and he could not comment. (pg. 1.) THEN, in order to fly MULTI-ENGINE planes, you need to take lessons for that and go through a similar process. THEN, a pilot would need to fly a simulator and take lessons for IFR flight, ie. flying with instruments only, and be examined for that, and be issued a IFR certificate. THEN, a pilot would need to log many hours of time IFR, and take lessons for a COMMERCIAL license, THEN be examined by the FAA for that. Bull$hit. You can if you wish go directly into commercial aircraft training school. There is no mandatory connection between private single engine and commercial ATP licensing. That is exactly what Hanjour did.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You don't know ANYTHING concerning aviation you lying POS. EVERYBODY who knows ANYTHING about aircraft is LAUGHING at you.
maybe ole hanjour flew for delta... Back pedaling again, Half Truther? Did Hanjour get, or did he not get, a commercial pilot license, contrary to your scores of k00kblather word dumps denying he ever had one? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! SWACK!!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIAR. You REALLY should look this stuff up before you are caught in some serious lies, like this one. From ADF Airways This FAA certificate allows you to fly any aircraft for compensation or hire. The requirements are: Find his commericial AND private training records, shillster. REPORTS simply repeat what his instructors say, in that he showed them a licencse. Ok, well if he had this license, where'd he get the training? Also, which FAA examiner signed off on his license? Where was the exam taken?
LOL, I doubt they'd get off the ground, since as AG says, he didn't really need to know how to do that.
This FAA certificate allows you to fly any aircraft for compensation or hire. The requirements are: •You must be a private pilot. The requirements may have changed. However if you want to confirm that Hanjour had both a private license, and a commercial pilot license, totally undercutting your false claims "he couldn't fly," fine with me! Enjoy debunking yourself!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You lose another BS argument.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The requirements may have changed. BS, they've always been that way in terms of modern aviation. Perhaps back when the Wright Brothers flew there was no such requirement, then again they didn't have jets back then either, NOR did they have an FAA. However if you want to confirm that Hanjour had both a private license, and a commercial pilot license, totally undercutting your false claims "he couldn't fly," fine with me! Provide any record of the flight school that trained him for his commercial license. Provide any record of his commercial exams, practical and oral. Provide any record of the private training and exam.
that's funny ;P
So he didn't really have any training, he just got one printed up for him, right? Provide any records of this certificate and training.
We are to believe he had both a private pilot's license and commercial license, yet he couldn't even fly a Cessna 172, a MUCH easier aircraft to fly than most others, according to your pal's research. Uh huh.
AG already has explained this point of confusion for you. Why don't you go back off into your "new made up theory" about how received that same FAA certification. I know... because I read the entire REPORT.... I gave you the link, you do the research.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Excellent video, thank you for the ping.
BS, they've always been that way in terms of modern aviation. Wrong as usual. FAR 61.123 became effective 12/01/1978. Hanjour would have been covered. Older existing commercial pilots would not have been. But thanks again for blasting yourself in your foot by demonstrating Hanjour had 2 valid pilot licenses in 1999, contrary to your explicit claims he couldn't fly anything, at all. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0:35 "See, he was already certified. He didn't come to us for flight training" 0:40 "He already earned his private instrument commercial at a school in Arizona. I don't remember the name of the school, but he already had certificates in hand" 1:50 "Hanjour paid $400 cash and provided a valid pilot's license from Arizona, Bernard said." 2:12 "There's no doubt in my mind that once Flight 77 got going, Hanjour could have pointed that plane at the building and hit it, Bernard said"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while he gets his buddies in the FBI to track our IP addys.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
madrussian used to call the provacateurs "commissars" ala the 1917 fake front resistance actually 100% controlled by the Kremlin Cheka.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess what pissant, there was no push button for flying into the WTC towers. Now get back to work asshole.
God is always good!
FL certainly wants fine "off the wall" details as he slips and stumbles all over these 9/11 threads. I am thinking he is a planted government agent.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
There is no doubt in my mind that you work for the ones that did 9/11. Enjoy your time on Earth, it is all you got, eternal hell awaits you.
God is always good!
this is the work of the high as in stonedcommissioner of the liar movement along with his "trusty" side kick bucky.
This FAA certificate allows you to fly any aircraft for compensation or hire. The requirements are: •You must be a private pilot. The requirements may have changed. However if you want to confirm that Hanjour had both a private license, and a commercial pilot license, totally undercutting your false claims "he couldn't fly," fine with me! Enjoy debunking yourself!!!!! So, is it your argument that ALL pilots are of equivalent skill? Is it your argument that it is impossible that he got it fraudulently? Despite your extensive time backslapping yourself and giving yourself "high 5's" you have not addressed the fundamental question regarding Hanjour's piloting? How skilled was he? Did he have experience the the type of aircraft he allegedly flew? You have produced which supports his having the knowledge and skills to fly this type of aircraft. My father had a commercial license and was a damn good pilot, but I guarantee you that he would not set down behind the controls of a new type of aircraft without a good many hours of check-out and training on the new plane. Airline pilots are not interchangeable, except for a very few very senior pilots, between aircraft types. Ever meet someone with a Phd. who was a complete boob? I have, and there are plenty of them out there. I have had people work for me who, on paper, were better educated, but they could not do my job. Paper proves nothing other than someone has passed the minimum requirements for something, and showing a piece of paper is not even a guarantee because paper can be forged or bought from a crooked employee. There have been instances where someone has actually performed as a Surgeon without even having gone to medical school (look up "The Great Impostor"). John Malloy who wrote "Dress For Success" wrote another book not quite as well known titled "Live For Success". One of the things he points out in his book is that there are some TOP Executives who do not have the education and certificates their resumes say they have. He commented that in fact some were so highly placed that he dare not say who (although a lot of the info was gathered under a bonded secrecy agreement). Paper proves nothing, the ability to actually do the job is everything. Stanley Ovshinsky is a High School graduate only, and yet there are probably not 5 men on the planet who know more about Solid State Physics than the man who invented the Amorphous Thin Film Solar Panel. By all credible accounts and testimony from people who actually knew him, and were qualified to judge, Hanjour was incompetent as a pilot and to such a degree that he was turned down for rental of a single engine Cessna. And you want us to believe, on the strength of a possibly forged or bought Pilot's Certificate (for which you can show no background or training to merit), that he could fly a 757 the way the Red Baron flew a Fokker Triplane. Get real.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are BUSTED! I provided the detail @post#572 ... Hanjour was (in fact FAA certified) .....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The WTC towers weren't designed to blow up either, but they did on 9/11 when a little Jew pushed the remote control detonation button and laughed with glee as he watched the buildings come down. Little brain dead Jew Silverstien ~ The decision was made to pull it, and we watched it come down.
God is always good!
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#550. To: AGAviator (#548)
Anything else you want to fuck up, Half Truther, before I clout you on yet another misrepresented narrative?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#551. To: AGAviator (#534)
You can't rebut any of it, Half Truther [FormerLurker]...So you go to Plan B, circlejerk gaybanter with your Twisters.
#552. To: FormerLurker (#547)
aggravator: Nearly all aircraft pilots say it's harder to fly smaller aircraft than larger ones.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#553. To: AGAviator (#548)
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Hanjour got an FAA commercial pilot license, not private pilot license, the license was from a different school than you cite, it was for a passenger aircraft and not a single engine Cessna 172, and it was during a different time period than you mention.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#554. To: James Deffenbach (#552)
Oh Lawd have mercy, my freakin' sides!!! I guess the next thing will be that all professional truck drivers will tell us that it is far easier to drive a fully loaded tractor trailer over an ice road in Alaska than a Volkswagon on a good road in clear weather. ahaha. I will probably chuckle over that one off and on the rest of the day. Thanks. I wouldn't have seen that insanity if you hadn't copied it in your reply.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#555. To: buckeroo (#551)
"FLT77 from Ohio theories"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#556. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#547)
Nearly all aircraft pilots say it's harder to fly smaller aircraft than larger ones.
They come in all shapes and sizes. High wing, low wing, I've even known people that started- and completed- their training in a twin.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#557. To: FormerLurker (#554)
Just like it's much easier to pilot an oil tanker or aircraft carrier than it is operate a rowboat or a speed boat.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#558. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#549)
(Edited)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#559. To: FormerLurker (#526)
You love to spam this 4um with the same bullshit, day in and day out, don't you...
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#560. To: AGAviator (#556)
A Cessna 152, for example, is more sensitive on the controls than it's larger brother, the 172. If you learn to fly in a 152, and then step-up to a 172 it will be a piece of cake to handle. It's more difficult the other way around. Generally speaking, the larger the aircraft the easier it is to fly. And, the guy that learns in a tail-dragger has a much easier time of transistioning to a tricycle gear than the tricycle driver does going the other direction. So, in my opinion, opt for the small trainer. High wing or low wing? I'm partial to the high wing for the reasons stated above, but it's really a matter of what the flight school that you pick uses.
Cessna 152
Cessna 172
Boeing 757
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#561. To: AGAviator (#558)
"He already earned his private instrument commercial at a school in Arizona. I don't remember the name of the school, but he already had certificates in hand"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#562. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#560)
"Generally speaking, the larger the aircraft the easier it is to fly."
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#563. To: AGAviator (#556)
A Cessna 152, for example, is more sensitive on the controls than it's larger brother, the 172. If you learn to fly in a 152, and then step-up to a 172 it will be a piece of cake to handle. It's more difficult the other way around.
Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said the man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#564. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#553)
You HAVE to FIRST take lessons for a SINGLE-ENGINE PRIVATE license, solo, acquire flight hours, THEN take a test with an FAA examiner, similar to driver's road test, where every aspect of a pilot's abilities are scrutinized, THEN if successful a PRIVATE SINGLE ENGINE license is issued.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#565. To: AGAviator (#562)
Airline pilots used to flying planes on autopilot with co crew members helping out, generally have more difficult times being single pilot in command on smaller private planes, with no backup, no flight computers, and no push button controls to do the work.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#566. To: FormerLurker (#554)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#567. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#563)
(Edited)
Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#568. To: AGAviator (#564)
You can if you wish go directly into commercial aircraft training school. There is no mandatory connection between private single engine and commercial ATP licensing.
Requirements for a Commmercial Pilot License
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#569. To: AGAviator (#567)
Did Hanjour get, or did he not get, a commercial pilot license, contrary to your hundreds of k00kblather word dumps denying he ever had one?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#570. To: IRTorqued (#566)
maybe ole hanjour flew for delta...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#571. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#568)
Requirements for a Commmercial Pilot License
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#572. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#561)
Find the name of that commericial flight school that he obtained his license from.
#573. To: AGAviator (#571)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#574. To: IRTorqued (#566)
#575. To: buckeroo (#572)
Hanjour left the United States again in April 1999, after receiving an FAA commercial pilot certificate. - page 135
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#576. To: buckeroo (#572)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#577. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#576)
We are to believe he had both a private pilot's license and commercial license, yet he couldn't even fly a Cessna 172, a MUCH easier aircraft to fly than most others, according to your pal's research.
#578. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, *9-11* (#549)
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"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#579. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#573)
The requirements may have changed.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#580. To: wudidiz (#578)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#581. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#579)
#582. To: buckeroo (#581)
I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#583. To: AGAviator (#562)
Airline pilots used to flying planes on autopilot with co crew members helping out, generally have more difficult times being single pilot in command on smaller private planes, with no backup, no flight computers, and no push button controls to do the work.
#584. To: AGAviator (#582)
#585. To: AGAviator (#580)
"There's no doubt in my mind that once Flight 77 got going, Hanjour could have pointed that plane at the building and hit it, Bernard said"
#586. To: RickyJ (#583)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#587. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, Critter, IRTorqued, abraxas, all (#571)
Requirements for a Commmercial Pilot License
#588. To: Original_Intent (#587)
And you want us to believe, on the strength of a possibly forged or bought Pilot's Certificate (for which you can show no background or training to merit), that he could fly a 757 the way the Red Baron flew a Fokker Triplane. Get real.
#589. To: AGAviator (#267)
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Aircraft or any other structures are not designed to rip themselves to shreds.
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