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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#572. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#561)
You lose another BS argument.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The requirements may have changed. BS, they've always been that way in terms of modern aviation. Perhaps back when the Wright Brothers flew there was no such requirement, then again they didn't have jets back then either, NOR did they have an FAA. However if you want to confirm that Hanjour had both a private license, and a commercial pilot license, totally undercutting your false claims "he couldn't fly," fine with me! Provide any record of the flight school that trained him for his commercial license. Provide any record of his commercial exams, practical and oral. Provide any record of the private training and exam.
that's funny ;P
So he didn't really have any training, he just got one printed up for him, right? Provide any records of this certificate and training.
We are to believe he had both a private pilot's license and commercial license, yet he couldn't even fly a Cessna 172, a MUCH easier aircraft to fly than most others, according to your pal's research. Uh huh.
AG already has explained this point of confusion for you. Why don't you go back off into your "new made up theory" about how received that same FAA certification. I know... because I read the entire REPORT.... I gave you the link, you do the research.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Excellent video, thank you for the ping.
BS, they've always been that way in terms of modern aviation. Wrong as usual. FAR 61.123 became effective 12/01/1978. Hanjour would have been covered. Older existing commercial pilots would not have been. But thanks again for blasting yourself in your foot by demonstrating Hanjour had 2 valid pilot licenses in 1999, contrary to your explicit claims he couldn't fly anything, at all. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0:35 "See, he was already certified. He didn't come to us for flight training" 0:40 "He already earned his private instrument commercial at a school in Arizona. I don't remember the name of the school, but he already had certificates in hand" 1:50 "Hanjour paid $400 cash and provided a valid pilot's license from Arizona, Bernard said." 2:12 "There's no doubt in my mind that once Flight 77 got going, Hanjour could have pointed that plane at the building and hit it, Bernard said"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while he gets his buddies in the FBI to track our IP addys.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
madrussian used to call the provacateurs "commissars" ala the 1917 fake front resistance actually 100% controlled by the Kremlin Cheka.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess what pissant, there was no push button for flying into the WTC towers. Now get back to work asshole.
God is always good!
FL certainly wants fine "off the wall" details as he slips and stumbles all over these 9/11 threads. I am thinking he is a planted government agent.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
There is no doubt in my mind that you work for the ones that did 9/11. Enjoy your time on Earth, it is all you got, eternal hell awaits you.
God is always good!
this is the work of the high as in stonedcommissioner of the liar movement along with his "trusty" side kick bucky.
This FAA certificate allows you to fly any aircraft for compensation or hire. The requirements are: •You must be a private pilot. The requirements may have changed. However if you want to confirm that Hanjour had both a private license, and a commercial pilot license, totally undercutting your false claims "he couldn't fly," fine with me! Enjoy debunking yourself!!!!! So, is it your argument that ALL pilots are of equivalent skill? Is it your argument that it is impossible that he got it fraudulently? Despite your extensive time backslapping yourself and giving yourself "high 5's" you have not addressed the fundamental question regarding Hanjour's piloting? How skilled was he? Did he have experience the the type of aircraft he allegedly flew? You have produced which supports his having the knowledge and skills to fly this type of aircraft. My father had a commercial license and was a damn good pilot, but I guarantee you that he would not set down behind the controls of a new type of aircraft without a good many hours of check-out and training on the new plane. Airline pilots are not interchangeable, except for a very few very senior pilots, between aircraft types. Ever meet someone with a Phd. who was a complete boob? I have, and there are plenty of them out there. I have had people work for me who, on paper, were better educated, but they could not do my job. Paper proves nothing other than someone has passed the minimum requirements for something, and showing a piece of paper is not even a guarantee because paper can be forged or bought from a crooked employee. There have been instances where someone has actually performed as a Surgeon without even having gone to medical school (look up "The Great Impostor"). John Malloy who wrote "Dress For Success" wrote another book not quite as well known titled "Live For Success". One of the things he points out in his book is that there are some TOP Executives who do not have the education and certificates their resumes say they have. He commented that in fact some were so highly placed that he dare not say who (although a lot of the info was gathered under a bonded secrecy agreement). Paper proves nothing, the ability to actually do the job is everything. Stanley Ovshinsky is a High School graduate only, and yet there are probably not 5 men on the planet who know more about Solid State Physics than the man who invented the Amorphous Thin Film Solar Panel. By all credible accounts and testimony from people who actually knew him, and were qualified to judge, Hanjour was incompetent as a pilot and to such a degree that he was turned down for rental of a single engine Cessna. And you want us to believe, on the strength of a possibly forged or bought Pilot's Certificate (for which you can show no background or training to merit), that he could fly a 757 the way the Red Baron flew a Fokker Triplane. Get real.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You are BUSTED! I provided the detail @post#572 ... Hanjour was (in fact FAA certified) .....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The WTC towers weren't designed to blow up either, but they did on 9/11 when a little Jew pushed the remote control detonation button and laughed with glee as he watched the buildings come down. Little brain dead Jew Silverstien ~ The decision was made to pull it, and we watched it come down.
God is always good!
You and your government shillster friend want to convince everyone here that an idiot who couldn't fly a single engine Cessna somehow qualified as a commerical pilot. Go ahead and provide his credentials, including the name of his commericial flight school, and the place and date of his FAA commercial exam, along with a copy of his certificate. There should be copies of that all over the web, since it's an integral part of your (oh I mean the "official") story.
You've been BUSTED so many times over the past several threads on this topic that I've lost count. It's apparent that you ARE just another shill here buck. I thought you were just an eccentric poster here who liked to mess with people, acting as a troll more often than not, just to rile people up, where you'd sit back and enjoy the show. Perhaps you're a "sleeper", who knows. What's obvious though is whenever any hard evidence is brought to light, you've been proven wrong, yet you still cling to your false beliefs as if they were part of your religion. Go ahead and find a copy of Hanjour's commercial pilot's license. See if you can find the location and date he took his FAA exam, and if the FAA examiner's name is on that certificate.
Either this guy didn't yet know the facts concerning how that plane was flown and the manuevers it made, or he's lying. Hanjour didn't just hijack the plane over Washington and dive it into the Pentagon, he FLEW it from Ohio to Washington, descended into a precision turn, and FLEW it at treetop level for a mile or so at 400+ mph then effectively LANDED it without touching the ground, ie. he brought it down to 20 feet off the deck while flying it at 530 MPH, and FLEW right into the Pentagon wall at ground level, with his nose level.
Is it your argument that it is impossible that he got it fraudulently? My argument is that nearly every single statement you Half-Truthers make is out of context, selectively quoting, idiotic pretenses at being logical, or just plain false. As in Post #527There IS no information on Hanjour, the "certificate" was probably entered into the computer by an "associate". There is no record of what school he took lessons from in terms of either a commericial or private pilot's license. It was fabricated apparently. ... FormerLurker posted on 2010-07-21 1:01:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply as well as the claim Hanjour couldn't fly anything, when in fact he had to have passed FAA tests giving him a commercial pilot license in 1999. The clearest explanation is from Bernard,who saw the reality that regardless of how sloppy Hanjour looked, he still had enough knowledge and skill to be able to take an aircraft over mid-air and crash it at high speeds.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are shilling for the official story and backing up an obvious shill, attacking posters here who are simply presenting facts. I think YOU work for the government there buckie, along with your sidekick, AGAviator. Which agency do you work for?
Which agency do you work for? I am beginning to believe buck's issue--well, at least one of them, lo, they are legion--is something more than the IRS after him. Do you think maybe the government has video of him in a compromising position with a goat in a bar in Mexico or something like that?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Or someone did.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. As if you are not clowning around on the Internet. Or maybe you aren't clowning around. Maybe this is your full time job. WTC 7 God is always good!
As evidence of that Sun Yat Sen, known to have been born in China, had a Hawaiian bc like Obama's (known to have been born in Kenya).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. His INSTRUCTORS made that statement you bloviating retard, as was reported in the New York Times article which I linked. Here it is again, liar. From the New York Times Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. He could not fly at all." Of course, your style here is to spam the thread with dozens of lengthy crapola posts whenever any real facts or news reports are presented, taking the actual evidence out of view for people just glancing over the latest comments, and there you rely on ad hominems and outright lies to "make your point".
Worse than just a goat I'd bet. Little boys perhaps?
If the shills they're sending to 4 these days is any indicator, we are getting the low end of the pay scale kind of attention...what's freakrepuznik producing to send out on 'missions' to conquer our little chit chat sites ? I guess el pee was conquered so now we get a little 'love'. LOL
Make sure you're on the right aircraf'. Make sure you apply your own max before you put one on yo' chile.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thing is though Mr. Secret Agent, he didn't CRASH it, nor did the "takeover" occur anywhere near his target, it happened over Ohio, and he was able to FLY it to Washington, THEN perform a precision descent while turning, level off the plane at treetop level, and FLY it at 400+ mph towards the Pentagon, THEN descend to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph the last split second and FLY it into the Pentagon wall. Stop spinning there slick, you're going to make yourself dizzy.
It doesn't matter, pal. Hanjour left the United States again in April 1999, after receiving an FAA commercial pilot certificate. - page 135 of the REPORT OF THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 – BY THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE You lose another BS argument. Bullshit yourself Buckaroonie - I downloaded the report and checked the reference. No such report exists on page 135 of the pdf. So, produce a legitimate reference citing chapter and verse of where Hanjour allegedly got his license and under what circumstances or stand refuted.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
If the shills that have infested this place is the best they've got they have knocked the bottom out of the barrel and started digging. Useless trolls who want to argue that up is down and black is white. People should just put them on the clown filter and be done with them. If no one would pay them any attention they might leave. Although I will have to say that it was entertaining to find out that one of them believed, or claimed to, that it was harder to fly a little Cessna than a big ol' commercial airliner. Pretty good chuckle right there.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe. Maybe both.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You can't explain documented testimony, mathematics and physics.... but you can cite conspiracy websites..... Honestly, be a man about it and confess that you are BUSTED ... with AG's and my researched documentation about all of your silly conspiracies.... you lose again.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
He can't to you, you don't understand such topics.
God is always good!
So, produce a legitimate reference citing chapter and verse of where Hanjour allegedly got his license and under what circumstances or stand refuted. Wow, buckie getting caught in another lie. How NOT surprising...
Is it your argument that it is impossible that he got it fraudulently? My argument is that nearly every single statement you Half-Truthers make is out of context, selectively quoting, idiotic pretenses at being logical, or just plain false. As in Post #527 There IS no information on Hanjour, the "certificate" was probably entered into the computer by an "associate". There is no record of what school he took lessons from in terms of either a commericial or private pilot's license. It was fabricated apparently. ... FormerLurker posted on 2010-07-21 1:01:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply as well as the claim Hanjour couldn't fly anything, when in fact he had to have passed FAA tests giving him a commercial pilot license in 1999. The clearest explanation is from Bernard,who saw the reality that regardless of how sloppy Hanjour looked, he still had enough knowledge and skill to be able to take an aircraft over mid-air and crash it at high speeds. And your refutation of his known instructors that he was not competent and that he was turned down for a rental of a single engine Cessna is? You can throw up all the smoke you want, but the testimony of his instructors is on record. Hanjour was not a competent pilot, regardless of any paper, and HAS NEVER EVIDENCED THE SKILLS necessary to have pulled off the feat of aerobatics with a Jumbo Jet that are attributed to him. As well we have on record the doubts expressed by experienced professional pilots with a lot of hours behind the stick that they doubt that they could do what that known incompetent is alleged to have done. Further, there is nothing which definitively puts Hanjour behind the stick - that is all supposition coming from an already discredited source the FBI, whose crime lab was caught falsifying evidence in literally thousands of cases. Tainting Evidence: Inside the Scandals at the FBI Crime Lab ...
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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#573. To: AGAviator (#571)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#574. To: IRTorqued (#566)
#575. To: buckeroo (#572)
Hanjour left the United States again in April 1999, after receiving an FAA commercial pilot certificate. - page 135
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#576. To: buckeroo (#572)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#577. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#576)
We are to believe he had both a private pilot's license and commercial license, yet he couldn't even fly a Cessna 172, a MUCH easier aircraft to fly than most others, according to your pal's research.
#578. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, *9-11* (#549)
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"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#579. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#573)
The requirements may have changed.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#580. To: wudidiz (#578)
(Edited)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#581. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#579)
#582. To: buckeroo (#581)
I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#583. To: AGAviator (#562)
Airline pilots used to flying planes on autopilot with co crew members helping out, generally have more difficult times being single pilot in command on smaller private planes, with no backup, no flight computers, and no push button controls to do the work.
#584. To: AGAviator (#582)
#585. To: AGAviator (#580)
"There's no doubt in my mind that once Flight 77 got going, Hanjour could have pointed that plane at the building and hit it, Bernard said"
#586. To: RickyJ (#583)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#587. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, Critter, IRTorqued, abraxas, all (#571)
Requirements for a Commmercial Pilot License
#588. To: Original_Intent (#587)
And you want us to believe, on the strength of a possibly forged or bought Pilot's Certificate (for which you can show no background or training to merit), that he could fly a 757 the way the Red Baron flew a Fokker Triplane. Get real.
#589. To: AGAviator (#267)
(Edited)
Aircraft or any other structures are not designed to rip themselves to shreds.
#590. To: buckeroo, *9-11* (#584)
FL certainly wants fine "off the wall" details as he slips and stumbles all over these 9/11 threads. I am thinking he is a planted government agent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#591. To: buckeroo (#588)
You are BUSTED! I provided the detail @post#572 ... Hanjour was (in fact FAA certified) .....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#592. To: AGAviator, RickyJ (#580)
"There's no doubt in my mind that once Flight 77 got going, Hanjour could have pointed that plane at the building and hit it, Bernard said"
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#593. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#587)
So, is it your argument that ALL pilots are of equivalent skill?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#594. To: buckeroo, christine (#581)
I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while he gets his buddies in the FBI to track our IP addys.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#595. To: FormerLurker (#594)
I think YOU work for the government there buckie, along with your sidekick, AGAviator.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#596. To: FormerLurker (#592)
he brought it down to 20 feet off the deck while flying it at 530 MPH, and FLEW right into the Pentagon wall at ground level, with his nose level.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#597. To: buckeroo (#581)
(Edited)
I think FL is just clowning around on the internet.... he is probably a REAL, PSYOP ... just pretending to be on the "otherside" while he gets his buddies in the FBI to track our IP addys.
#598. To: agAgitprop (#593)
Who is Barry Jennings ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#599. To: Original_Intent (#587)
showing a piece of paper is not even a guarantee because paper can be forged or bought from a crooked employee.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#600. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#593)
as well as the claim Hanjour couldn't fly anything, when in fact he had to have passed FAA tests giving him a commercial pilot license in 1999.
Ultimately, administrators at the school told Mr. Hanjour that he would not qualify for the advanced certificate. But the ex- employee said Mr. Hanjour continued to pay to train on a simulator for Boeing 737 jets. "He didn't care about the fact that he couldn't get through the course," the ex-employee said.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#601. To: RickyJ (#597)
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#602. To: James Deffenbach (#595)
I am beginning to believe buck's issue--well, at least one of them, lo, they are legion--is something more than the IRS after him. Do you think maybe the government has video of him in a compromising position with a goat in a bar in Mexico or something like that?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#603. To: James Deffenbach (#599)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#604. To: IRTorqued (#566)
maybe ole hanjour flew for delta...
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#605. To: AGAviator (#593)
The clearest explanation is from Bernard,who saw the reality that regardless of how sloppy Hanjour looked, he still had enough knowledge and skill to be able to take an aircraft over mid-air and crash it at high speeds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#606. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, all (#572)
Find the name of that commericial flight school that he obtained his license from.
#607. To: Rotara (#603)
If the shills they're sending to 4 these days is any indicator, we are getting the low end of the pay scale kind of attention...what's freakrepuznik producing to send out on 'missions' to conquer our little chit chat sites ? I guess el pee was conquered so now we get a little 'love'. LOL
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#608. To: FormerLurker (#602)
Worse than just a goat I'd bet. Little boys perhaps?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#609. To: FormerLurker (#591)
What's obvious though is whenever any hard evidence is brought to light, you've been proven wrong, yet you still cling to your false beliefs as if they were part of your religion.
#610. To: buckeroo (#609)
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You can't explain documented testimony, mathematics and physics
#611. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#606)
Bullshit yourself Buckaroonie - I downloaded the report and checked the reference. No such report exists on page 135 of the pdf.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#612. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, christine, all (#593)
So, is it your argument that ALL pilots are of equivalent skill?
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