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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

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#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

Two problems:

1. The videos that show the collapse.

2. The reason the collapse was initiated. There is no proof that the aircraft, or fires, are what set it off. As well an explosive demolition would show basically the same signature, and the theory does not explain why one tower took about 14 seconds to collapse and the other identical tower 22-23 seconds.

For a theory to be valid it must account for all of the observed phenomena.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-17   17:53:35 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Original_Intent (#2)

As well an explosive demolition would show basically the same signature, and the theory does not explain why one tower took about 14 seconds to collapse and the other identical tower 22-23 seconds.

The two towers were "hit" differently and the central core supports were damaged differently as a result. Check this out: Impact to Collapse by NOVA.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   20:17:46 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#43)

The two towers were "hit" differently and the central core supports were damaged differently as a result. Check this out: Impact to Collapse by NOVA.

What type of plane hit WTC 7 again? You know, the one that the BBC reported had collapsed 25 minutes before it did.

Check this out: THE WTC WAS DESIGNED TO SURVIVE THE IMPACT OF A BOEING 767

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-17   21:27:16 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#48)

What type of plane hit WTC 7 again?

Of course no aircraft struck WTC7.

But it was damaged from the collapse of the twin towers earlier in the day.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   21:33:20 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51)

What type of plane hit WTC 7 again?

Of course no aircraft struck WTC7.

But it was damaged from the collapse of the twin towers earlier in the day.

How so? And don't try and dredge up the Pop Mechanics piece because it has already been proven false - they used a picture of WTC 6 which was damaged by debris, and did not fall - it was later demolished at great expense, and then reversed and falsely represented as "secret photos" of WTC 7.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-17   21:47:34 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#52)

And don't try and dredge up the Pop Mechanics piece because it has already been proven false

ROTFL

How about, Final Report on WTC7 - NIST, ever read it? If so, please comment.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   22:04:41 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#57)

Cite your specific reference - not the totality of a multi-thousand page report.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-17   22:07:56 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Original_Intent (#58)

Cite your specific reference - not the totality of a multi-thousand page report.

Hold on there pardner! WHOA! Have you read that document at anytime?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   22:12:45 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#89. To: buckeroo (#60)

Cite your specific reference - not the totality of a multi-thousand page report.

Hold on there pardner! WHOA! Have you read that document at anytime?

You cited an entire document as a reference. That is not a refutation. It is an evasion. Cite where in the report your refutation comes from - page and paragraph(s).

My reading habits are not the question. You attempted to evade the point and I am not going to let you.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-18 00:01:45 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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