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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

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#713. To: FormerLurker (#709)

YOU STFU before you embarrass yourself further.

Do you have any details about the demolition theory of the WTC beyond mere Internet speculation,innuendo, crap, BS, hear-say, who-dunnit based on a conspiracy website ... any of the following will do: who, what, when where and why ....... also include how.

I am interested in a mathematical presentation of your conspiracy theory, as I performed (in a link @post#1) that supports your altered view from fact. Feel free to show any links or data to PROVE that demolitions were employed by anybody from around the world.

You see, there is a problem with your viewpoint beyond the hyperbole, the suspicions and the doubts, you can't PROVE diddly-squat!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:08:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#714. To: FormerLurker (#712)

Yes, they'd more than likely have "lower floors supporting the upper floors", and be wobbling just waiting for any horizontal force to exert some "tension" to bring them down.

I guess with one of his Puff the Magic Dragon would come along and blow it down. The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus have retired from skyscraper demolition I think.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-21   19:12:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#715. To: buckeroo (#713) (Edited)

I don't need to converse with a proven liar. You lied about your credentials, where ANY halfwit familiar with networks KNOWS that the entire Internet is based upon TCP/IP, and any college graduate in Electrical Engineering would know where each part of that protocol pair reside in terms of the OSI stack.

You appear to be totally clueless about the fact web browsers utilize HTTP (Hype Text Transmission Protocol) which USES TCP/IP in order to connect to websites.

Yet you claim to have a MSEE, and specialize in high speed networks.

You are TOTALLY BUSTED there bucko.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:13:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#716. To: FormerLurker (#699)

You are always off-topic, slimy. I gave the brief about the ACTUAL technical differentiation of TCP and UDP (which you asked for) ... not some irrelevant literal translation.

TCP stands for Transport Control Protocol, whereas UDP stands for Universal Datagram Protocol.

ROTFL...

As always pulling the thread off track because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:16:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#717. To: FormerLurker (#715)

You appear to be totally clueless about the fact web browsers utilize HTTP (Hype Text Transmission Protocol) which USES TCP/IP in order to connect to websites.

That has nothing to do with your original question... you asked the difference of UDP and TCP ... not HTTP...

You can't even stay on track of your own silly questions.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:18:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#718. To: buckeroo (#716)

I gave the brief about the ACTUAL technical differentiation of TCP and UDP (which you asked for) ... not some irrelevant literal translation.

You stated that UDP is at a lower layer than TCP, which is flat out wrong. You did NOT provide ANY definition of either one, and neglected to answer where IP resided in terms of the protocol stack, and where TCP resided.

You were partially right about UDP not requiring retransmission, although that is not ALWAYS true as there are confirmation of delivery algorithms which can detect whether a packet has been received or not, and retransmit if necessary.

You also suggested that both TCP/IP and UDP/IP are "crap", and not used on public networks, where the entire Internet utilizes IP, and TCP/IP is the most common of all protocols, an example of which is that web browsers use it for their communications between client and web site.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:22:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#719. To: buckeroo (#717)

you asked the difference of UDP and TCP ... not HTTP...

You stated that TCP/IP is a "crap" protocol which is not used on public networks, where HTTP USES TCP/IP.

HTTP is what web browsers such as Internet Explorer and Firefox use for their communications between the PC and a remote website.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:25:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#720. To: buckeroo (#716)

As always pulling the thread off track because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

I just handed you your ass, now you're claiming victory. How surprising...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:25:57 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#721. To: FormerLurker (#719)

You stated that TCP/IP is a "crap" protocol which is not used on public networks, where HTTP USES TCP/IP.

Here is my post based on your question, genius:

TCP/IP and UDP/IP?

Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... UDP is at a lower level of the stack... it involves no retransmissions based on packet errors .... it is fast because it is a lower layer.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:28:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#722. To: FormerLurker (#720)

You can't read, FL. Have you ever tried using your browser capabilities to increase the font size for your viewing pleasure?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:29:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#723. To: buckeroo (#721)

TCP/IP and UDP/IP?

Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... UDP is at a lower level of the stack... it involves no retransmissions based on packet errors .... it is fast because it is a lower layer.

Well there Mr. MSEE, UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP, so you are not only wrong, but are lying about being an expert in network communications, and the idea of you having a MSEE is a joke.

And you DID imply that BOTH TCP/IP and UDP/IP are "crap".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:31:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#724. To: buckeroo (#722)

You can't read, FL. Have you ever tried using your browser capabilities to increase the font size for your viewing pleasure?

Take your own advice pal.

Here are my original questions, I'll even mark them in bold so that you can see them better;

If you're so educated on networks, can you tell me what the difference is between TCP/IP and UDP/IP? What part of the protocol stack does the TCP component reside, and where does the IP component reside?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:33:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#725. To: FormerLurker (#723)

UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP

That is not true... just as the entire model of the stack is not implemented in reality.

Look,,,, create a thread about stacks... invite me. Lets review your question there.

This thread is not about UDP or TCP or HTTP ... or proprietary Internet stuff for transmission protocol.

This thread is about the demolition theory of the WTC...... can you stay on topic?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:38:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#726. To: FormerLurker (#724)

What part of the protocol stack does the TCP component reside, and where does the IP component reside?

It was Adam and Eve that ate the apple just after God stole a rib....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:40:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#727. To: buckeroo (#725)

Me: UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP

You: That is not true... just as the entire model of the stack is not implemented in reality.

LIE.

TCP and UDP are BOTH located in the OSI Transport Layer. They reside on TOP of the Network Layer, which is where IP (Internet Protocol) resides.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:41:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#728. To: buckeroo (#726) (Edited)

Admit that you lied, you do NOT have a MSEE, and at most you install and service wall plugs or replace modems for some provider such as Verizon.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:43:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#729. To: FormerLurker (#727)

TCP and UDP are BOTH located in the OSI Transport Layer.

Why are you fucking around? Of course they are. So what? Many posts ago I gave you the technical difference of them, too. Not some literal content that you happened to find somewhere.

So, because you have continuously lost every post you make on this thread and others based on true research and discovery ... you want to argue about the OSI model, now? On a thread about the demolition theory of the WTC?

What are you a FULL_FLEDGED_FUCKING_ASSHOLE?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:50:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#730. To: buckeroo (#725)

or proprietary Internet stuff for transmission protocol.

Oh and BTW, what I posted are widespread and widely known basic facts about network protocols, details of which are published in the form of RFC's for ANYONE who desires to implement firmware, software, or hardware dealing with networks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:51:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#731. To: FormerLurker (#728)

Admit that you lied, you do NOT have a MSEE, and at most you install and service wall plugs or replace modems for some provider such as Verizon.

I would like to see him admit that too, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-21   19:51:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#732. To: FormerLurker (#728)

You have continuously retracted your lies to me... thread after thread ... post after post.

You should backoff, FL..... I have no axe to grind with you.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:52:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#733. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#660)

It's ALSO obvious there IS no official record of Hanjour ever having a valid commercial pilot's license. That he had a piece of paper stating he did, according to reports, is NOT evidence that he did actually have one.

A staff of owner/operators of a flight school, whose livelihood depends on making sure aircraft renters have valid FAA certification, trumps your anonymous internet k00kblather.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-21   19:54:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#734. To: FormerLurker (#730)

what I posted are widespread and widely known basic facts about network protocols, details of which are published in the form of RFC's for ANYONE who desires to implement firmware, software, or hardware dealing with networks.

Yeah, this great news on a thread concerning the demolition theory of the WTC.... your knowledge base really supports how someone snck into the WTC (three different buildings) and set up the controlled demolitions to kill thousands of People.

Thank you for the contribution..... I am sure others see you as a TOTAL ASSHOLE.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   19:56:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#735. To: buckeroo (#732)

You should backoff, FL..... I have no axe to grind with you.

huh?

Yes you do. You have an axe to grind with all of us "conspiracy kooks."

That's why you post non-stop calling us kooks for thinking the WTC towers were blown up and the US government is covering it up.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-21   19:57:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#736. To: buckeroo (#729)

Why are you fucking around? Of course they are.

Why are YOU fucking around. You claim to have a MSEE, specializing in "designing high speed networks", yet you don't know the first thing about fundamental network protocols.

Just several posts ago, and in your initial response, you stated that UDP is at a lower layer than TCP, where that is flat out wrong, claimed that I am wrong, and NOW you state "of course they are" where I stated that TCP and UDP are both in the same layer.

You don't know jack, and that's quite obvious.

I HAVE presented sufficient facts and documentation LONG AGO on this thread in terms of the collapse, where not only is the "official explanation" shown to be totally ridiculous, but impossible.

Yet you've danced around, spread false info, made outrageous claims, accused us of being "government agents", accused us of being "half truthers", and have been wrong in pretty much EVERYTHING you've said.

So take your own advice, STOP fucking around here.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   19:58:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#737. To: AGAviator (#733)

A staff of owner/operators of a flight school, whose livelihood depends on making sure aircraft renters have valid FAA certification, trumps your anonymous internet k00kblather.

Oh so all of his other instructors were wrong, and only the one who somewhat supports YOUR view is the fountain of truth. What a jackass you are.

Again, find a copy of the FAA commercial license and put this matter to rest.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:00:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#738. To: buckeroo (#732)

You have continuously retracted your lies to me... thread after thread ... post after post.

Another one of you lies bucko.

You should backoff, FL..... I have no axe to grind with you.

Uh huh, that's why you've been blasting me with false accusations and making false claims about what I've said.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:02:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#739. To: RickyJ (#731)

I would like to see him admit that too, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

If I ever saw a significant admission of truth from EITHER of those two shills, bucko and AGovShill, I'd be speechless for quite some time.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:06:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#740. To: FormerLurker (#736)

You claim to have a MSEE, specializing in "designing high speed networks", yet you don't know the first thing about fundamental network protocols.

Yes I do.

Those protocol layers that you affectionately reference are non-realtime. Those layers are a model of an Internet or Intranet assuming you don't need real time speed as in graphic imaging from a source location to a destination.

We don't use the model as it is layered with unnecessary bit fields and defined fields that take time (real time)... it is fine for publick networks where you hope and pray your application catches the errors and re-transmits if and only if it has time within your 8088 based DOS stuff.

Please stop it. We want to see your views based on fact for the demolitions, not a casual survey of what you think is the total scope of information transmission.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:11:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#741. To: FormerLurker (#736)

STOP fucking around here.

Why are you so defensive? I created the thread. I based FACT and mathematical models on the collapse (to include pictures) from time to time based upon the same FACTS.

What have you done? Look at your own self, pal.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:14:56 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#742. To: FormerLurker (#724)

If you're so educated on networks, can you tell me what the difference is between TCP/IP and UDP/IP? What part of the protocol stack does the TCP component reside, and where does the IP component reside?

Niggaz Love to Keep it Real--Real Dumb

Link to Chris Rock video and has some language which would be offensive to some.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-21   20:17:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#743. To: buckeroo (#741)

You wouldn't know a fact if it walked up and smacked you in the face.

You can't even speak proper english.


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-21   20:19:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#744. To: buckeroo (#740)

Those protocol layers that you affectionately reference are non-realtime. Those layers are a model of an Internet or Intranet assuming you don't need real time speed as in graphic imaging from a source location to a destination.

We don't use the model as it is layered with unnecessary bit fields and defined fields that take time (real time)... it is fine for publick networks where you hope and pray your application catches the errors and re-transmits if and only if it has time within your 8088 based DOS stuff.

Oh man, are you THAT stupid you think there aren't people who actually KNOW this stuff?

EVERY modern computer operating system utilizes the OSI model for it's communications, and EVERY Internet router or device uses that model as well.

It INCLUDES the Physical Layer, which includes the physical Ethernet network and devices, network adapters, along with other topologies such as FDDI, FIOS, and various others.

An old fashioned network model used by older IBM mainframes is SNA, which is Systems Network Architecture. Anything else in terms of current day network communications is part of the OSI model.

That you bring up 8088 based systems on old PC's running DOS is a hoot, as they were NOT using the OSI model, they used exactly what YOU are describing as being "better", custom applications based upon nothing but a proprietary network API, most commonly Banyan VINES or Novell Netware.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:22:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#745. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#744)

Oh man, are you THAT stupid you think there aren't people who actually KNOW this stuff?

Can you put your post into layman's terms? So we can see precisely what bs buck is trying to feed us this time?


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-21   20:26:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#746. To: FormerLurker (#744)

I have asked you to stop the bilge... as you don't know SHIT about REAL-TIME systmes.

Please stop it and get back on track for the subject of the thread. Or are you afraid to lose another post.... afterall it easy to provide unsupported data about any of your posts, isn't it?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:26:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#747. To: buckeroo (#740)

Those protocol layers that you affectionately reference are non-realtime. Those layers are a model of an Internet or Intranet assuming you don't need real time speed as in graphic imaging from a source location to a destination.

Describe to me what would be involved in bypassing the protocol stack on Microsoft Windows, and writing directly to the Ethernet card.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:28:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#748. To: buckeroo (#746)

I have asked you to stop the bilge... as you don't know SHIT about REAL-TIME systmes.

Describe to me a "real-time" system. Which operating system are you talking about?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:29:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#749. To: buckeroo (#746)

you don't know SHIT

Hell buck, you don't even know the basics of network communications. Yet I'm the one who doesn't know shit, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:30:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#750. To: FormerLurker (#744)

FDDI

You are so deceptive about your own fucked-upped posts that you use FDDI. No one supports that old crap anymore. You better learn more about GOOGLE than confronting me on state-of-the-art technology, pal.

Still you are off course.... you can't produce FACTS on the demolition theory of the WTC .... you spin off into some sort of FUCKED-UPPED SILL-ASSED-CLOWN playing on the Internet.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:30:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#751. To: FormerLurker (#748)

Describe to me a "real-time" system. Which operating system are you talking about?

Yes sir!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:31:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#752. To: FormerLurker (#747)

Describe to me what would be involved in bypassing the protocol stack on Microsoft Windows, and writing directly to the Ethernet card.

Do you prefer "C" or "assembly language" within the MSOS requiring a device driver? If so, MS has changed their requirements over the years for increasing security reasons. Do you want the forward or backward dumps of the interrupts?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-21   20:34:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#753. To: wudidiz (#745)

Can you put your post into layman's terms? So we can see precisely what bs buck is trying to feed us this time?

Microsoft Windows, from Windows 95 on up, uses the OSI model for it's network communications. Linux has used it for as long as I know, and its big brother UNIX has used it for as long as the Internet has existed.

Buck is trying to say he's smarter than Microsoft, Bell Labs, and DARPA (who invented the Internet), and utilizes his own custom communications which somehow bypasses everything those operating systems implement in terms of network communications.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-21   20:36:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  



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