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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
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Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#898. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ, IRTorqued, abraxas (#854)
From Architects and Engineer for 911 Truth; Who the fuck said anything about "military grade explosives," other than yourself, pinhead? Military explosives are used to blow the $hit out of stuff with little or no regard to where the debris ends up. Controlled demolition explosives are used to make sure that things they're used on end up where they're intended to be put. A world of difference. One whopper after another debunked. You're pathetic, Half Truther.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where's the proof they were used? How many, and where? Where are the shreds of the HiEx devices from the debris? Why would a new technique be used on 3 buildings all larger than the world record for CD's?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIAR. I asked for any image or PDF which contained a COPY of the FAA Commericial License. All you have is hearday evidence, and not a shred of any REAL evidence. Or "Contrary to claims of free fall of 9.22 seconds, actual fall times were 15.28 and 22 seconds respectively," with the reply "But it's only 1.67 times more than what has been claimed for the last 8 years." The "22 second" collapse time is debatable, but the way you worded your original statement, you implied it could be up over twice as much for EITHER tower. And I said we are talking about 6 seconds between your alleged collapse time and MINIMUM FREE FALL TIME where you said it's somewhere up to over TWICE as much time, where it's less than that for one, and we are NOT talking about minutes or hours, but seconds, SIX SECONDS to destroy an entire 110 story skyscraper made of steel and cement.
Why don't you read the document as opposed to asking questions? You said earlier, that Hanjour's pilot certification wasn't in the 911 Commission Report. Either you made that SHIT up or you never read the report.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Where's the proof that they weren't? Only an imbecile would think you'd have to run around with det cords in this day and age, and that the latest equipment wouldn't be used for such a major undertaking.
So you're saying there's an actual image of his FAA Commerical License in that report, right?
I really like this comment: Or what happened to the pentagon videos? "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
(tons of bullshit omitted) One whopper after another debunked. You're pathetic, Half Truther. So if an intelligence agency or some other covert group funded and supplied by a consortium of governments wished to bring down the WTC towers, they'd use commercial off the shelf junk, eh? What an idiot.
Here is an image of Hanjour's FAA certification: You are BUSTED again!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Ok, so where is the examiner's name? Where was the exam taken?
Certificate of True Copy by the FAA - Hanjour [edit: insert picture of both licenses, intentionally made BIG for viewing] Busted again!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Kind of hard to do since the nice people you work for knocked him off. Of course you know that already. So like I said before, enjoy your short time on Earth, it is all you got, hell awaits. You will see Barry in Heaven then.
God is always good!
Probably afraid we will find out who Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny's henchman is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. AG ... you are vindicated from these fellow posters..... I have a lot of other work to do and normally don't jump in on some of these poster's claims..... but you right all along. Good work!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Sounds like a plan. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Certificate of True Copy by the FAA - Hanjour [edit: insert picture of both licenses, intentionally made BIG for viewing] Wow, great research. You have more patience than I do!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Busted again! SWACK!!!! Now you got your signed original. Whatdaya say, Half Truther??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hell is for liars, Half Truther. I've been debunking your Half Truther lies one after the other for the last month plus. You will get there and I won't.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, that it why it is waiting for you.
God is always good!
Yep, that it why it is waiting for you. Another lie, circlejerk. Now tell me if Hajour had a pilot license as of April 15, 1999.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The BS is now dispelled... Hanjour was fully capable hijacking FLT77 on 9/11, piloting the craft anywhere he chose. He was a bad pilot though and his antics were far from capable of delivering a more serious blow. Another rumour is now dispelled about FLT77. We have talked about cabin doors and Hanjour's pilot capabilities and we are right back where we started ... it is all BS about some plot by government.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I notice that the thread has gone "strangely" silent. Can you describe the reasons? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't know or care about CIA agents and their documents. Let's talk about who benefited the most from 9/11. Do you know what country benefited the most? Do you know who shorted the airline stock of the airlines that allegedly struck the twin towers? You say you don't know? Let me give you a hint, it wasn't Iraq and it wasn't Afghanistan. And the shorters weren't Muslim.
God is always good!
His name is spelt differenty than what is shown on the license and certificates. Which is it, Hani Hanjoor, or Hani Hanjour? Has anybody ever interviewed these examiners and ask them why they gave out a license to someone who couldn't fly?
Some people DO work for a living, have a life, and don't get paid to post on Internet news forums...
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
My bad.
Actually, you are good for laffs.... keep up the good work!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You don't know or care about anything except stale k00kshit because you're a swillsucking anaerobe who can only consume something stagnant that nothing else will ingest. More already debunked k00kshit. All claims of irregular pre-911 trading were investigated by hundreds of accountants, FBI agents, securities researchers, and computer specialists for a many months. They were all found - without exception - to be legitimate trades with no conceivable connection to al Qaeda. One purchase of airline puts was part of a hedging strategy connected with a corresponding long position in another airline company stock. A second was based on technical analysis and FAXED to newsline subscribers the Sunday before 911. Both securities analysts Jon Najarian and Phil Erlanger who originally raised the flag about possible irregular trades later researched them and found the explanations legitimate. They are on record as saying there was no invalid trading did in fact happen upon further research. The claims of unsusual call option in Rayetheon are idiotic because of the small amount that would have been realized even if they were totally bought by people with advance knowledge. A few hundred call options and a gain in stock of $7 per share would gain about $160,000 in profits. A single "seat" which allows you to bid and trade on the floor costs $2.3+ million per year. $100,000 is chump change for the power traders on the exchanges. They make or lose tens of millions in a single deal. Only losers like you think $100,000 is a big deal. On every single stock and option market anywhere in the world, every single trade is recorded and the recipients known. Nobody has been charged anywhere in the world with irregular 911 trading.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where do you learn this from? Does the Talmud teach this to you?
God is always good!
All claims of irregular pre-911 trading were investigated by hundreds of accountants, FBI agents, securities researchers, and computer specialists for a many months. They were all found - without exception - to be legitimate trades with no conceivable connection to al Qaeda. I don't think Al-CIAda is who they should have been looking at. BTW, do you have any links to any reports that state beyond a shadow of a doubt there wasn't any irregularities? Both securities analysts Jon Najarian and Phil Erlanger who originally raised the flag about possible irregular trades later researched them and found the explanations legitimate. They are on record as saying there was no invalid trading did in fact happen upon further research. Yeah, I bet they were both "made an offer they couldn't refuse"...
I think a "bris" may have had something to do with it early on in his life...
It always "legit" when the "right" people do it, isn't it?
God is always good!
Yeah, I bet they were both "made an offer they couldn't refuse"... Any proof of that, jerkwad? Or is this yet another of your easily debunked lies and character assassinations? They both have forums they speak at regularly. Feel free to show up and question them instead of hiding anonymously behind an internet rock.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you have that link I asked for?
Why don't you start performing your own research? So far, you have called AGAviator a "liar" many times. And not one shred of PROOF ... is that because you don't know how to use a search engine?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
When he's lied, yes, I've called him a liar. BTW, I'm still waiting to find out if this Hanjoor character is the same HanJOUR who is claimed to have flown Flight 77.
But he hasn't lied. You have lied by calling AG a liar. Yes he is.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Everyplace I've said he's lied, he's lied. Everyplace I've said YOU'VE lied, you've lied. BTW, here's a link if you really want to find out about good ole Hani... Al Qaeda’s Top Gun : Willful Deception by the 9/11 Commission
Everyplace I've said YOU'VE lied, you've lied. But only YOU have lied... topic after topic, thread after thread. You have wasted a lot time playing around about Hanjour's certification, particularly on this thread as it is about the demolition theory of the WTC. You have repeatedly lied to this thread by even pursing Hanjour's background. After all your games, there is no PROOF, evidence, witnesses .... ANYTHING about the demolition theory you cling on to.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestthere has never been even a single shred of det cord, timing devices, or thermite/blasting igniters discovered at any site at any time.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#899. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#896)
Oh, and you think commerical demolition companies have access to military grade explosives, eh
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#900. To: FormerLurker (#898)
From Architects and Engineer for 911 Truth;
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#901. To: AGAviator (#897)
Like "Here's a report showing Hanjour had an FAA license," with the reply "I demand to see the signed original."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#902. To: FormerLurker (#895)
#903. To: AGAviator (#900)
Where's the proof they were used?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#904. To: buckeroo (#902)
You said earlier, that Hanjour's pilot certification wasn't in the 911 Commission Report. Either you made that SHIT up or you never read the report.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#905. To: AGAviator (#897)
LOL!!!!
Probably the same the same thing that happened to the high quality videos of the moon landings. They got taped over to save money. -- RickyJ @post#848.
#906. To: AGAviator (#899)
Who the fuck said anything about "military grade explosives," other than yourself, pinhead?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#907. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#904)
So you're saying there's an actual image of his FAA Commerical License in that report, right?
#908. To: buckeroo (#907)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#909. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#908)
(Edited)
Ok, so where is the examiner's name? Where was the exam taken?
#910. To: AGAviator (#871)
have him produce the slightest fragment of explosive residue, igniters, det cord, or timing devices.
#911. To: IRTorqued (#872)
and still nothing but silence WRT all those videos seized from around the pentagon.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#912. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#909)
#913. To: IRTorqued (#873)
I say subject marvin bush to waterboarding and see what he has to say about explocives in the WTC and everything he knows about airport security. subject AGovshill to same but save the time of asking questions as it is obvious he knows nothing.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#914. To: (#909)
(Edited)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#915. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#912)
(Edited)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#916. To: RickyJ (#910)
hell awaits.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#917. To: AGAviator (#916)
Hell is for liars,
#918. To: RickyJ (#917)
(Edited)
Hell is for liars,
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#919. To: AGAviator (#914)
#920. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#918)
Now tell me if Hajour had a pilot license as of April 15, 1999.
#921. To: AGAviator (#918)
Now tell me if Hajour had a pilot license as of April 15, 1999.
#922. To: buckeroo (#909)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#923. To: buckeroo (#920)
I notice that the thread has gone "strangely" silent. Can you describe the reasons?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#924. To: FormerLurker (#922)
#925. To: Eric Stratton (#924)
Now you're entering the realm of logic, which is a major no-no when analyzing 9/11 or pretty much anything that the FedGov does.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#926. To: FormerLurker (#925)
My bad.
#927. To: RickyJ, buckeroo (#921)
(Edited)
I don't know or care about CIA agents and their documents.
Do you know who shorted the airline stock of the airlines that allegedly struck the twin towers? You say you don't know? Let me give you a hint, it wasn't Iraq and it wasn't Afghanistan. And the shorters weren't Muslim.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#928. To: AGAviator (#927)
you're a swillsucking anaerobe who can only consume something stagnant that nothing else will ingest.
#929. To: AGAviator, RickyJ (#927)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#930. To: RickyJ (#928)
Where do you learn this from? Does the Talmud teach this to you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#931. To: AGAviator (#927)
All claims of irregular pre-911 trading were investigated by hundreds of accountants, FBI agents, securities researchers, and computer specialists for a many months. They were all found - without exception - to be legitimate trades with no conceivable connection to al Qaeda.
#932. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#929)
(Edited)
Both securities analysts Jon Najarian and Phil Erlanger who originally raised the flag about possible irregular trades later researched them and found the explanations legitimate. They are on record as saying there was no invalid trading did in fact happen upon further research.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#933. To: AGAviator (#932)
Any proof of that, jerkwad?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#934. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#929)
any reports that state beyond a shadow of a doubt there wasn't any irregularities?
#935. To: buckeroo (#934)
So far, you have called AGAviator a "liar" many times.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#936. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#935)
When he's lied, yes, I've called him a liar.
BTW, I'm still waiting to find out if this Hanjoor character is the same HanJOUR who is claimed to have flown Flight 77.
#937. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#936)
But he hasn't lied. You have lied by calling AG a liar.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#938. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#937)
Everyplace I've said he's lied, he's lied.
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