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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design. Subscribe to *4um PSY-OP Club*

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#5. To: buckeroo, All (#0)

Who is Barry Jennings ?

'Pull it !' by Larry Silverstein and the WTC 7 singers

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   18:00:17 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#5)

Lets get the twin towers out of the way, first..... later we shall review BLDG 7.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   18:03:10 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#6)

I'll throw out the Twin Towers and focus on WTC 7, thank you.

It's plenty all by itself...

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   19:04:33 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#19)

It's plenty all by itself...

But the results of WTC7 were a function of the twin towers earlier collapse. And the trigger mechanism is not the same.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   19:12:13 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#21)

Bullshit.

When you want to get shredded (again) let me know.

I don't need the Twin Towers (or actually even #7) to convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was mass collusion across the government spectrum to pull off this false flag crime against US.

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   19:38:38 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#30)

I don't need the Twin Towers (or actually even #7) to convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was mass collusion across the government spectrum to pull off this false flag crime against US.

Let's assume you are correct. Beyond circumstantial evidence .... hearsay .... and all those websites that collaborate in a similar way ..... can you provide one insider witness who (or simple testimony) was involved in the planning and execution of the activities in any way?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   19:43:55 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo, Rotara (#32)

..... can you provide one insider witness who (or simple testimony) was involved in the planning and execution of the activities in any way?

There was one relating to building 7. Can't remember his name. Anyway he was disappeared before he could testify. He wasn't involved in the planning but witnessed what happened with building 7.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-17   19:57:14 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: farmfriend (#33)

None of them - and I mean NONE of them - want to talk about Barry Jennings.

At least zero HERE so far...

Rotara  posted on  2010-07-17   20:08:32 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rotara (#38)

None of them - and I mean NONE of them - want to talk about Barry Jennings.

At least zero HERE so far...

That was the one. Sigh yes no one ever brings him up.

New Information on the Death of 911 Eyewitness Barry Jennings

April 16, 2009

By Jack Blood

www.wFUradio.com

www.deadlinelive.info

Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, passed away last August 2008 at age 53 from undisclosed circumstances. Mr. Jennings was an eyewitness to the devastation of the World Trade center towers on September 11th 2001.

On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Michael Hess, (one of Rudy Giuliani’s highest ranking appointed officials, New York city’s corporation counsel), entered the famed Building 7.

It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management (FEMA),) they found it had been recently deserted, “coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches”.

At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.

When they made it to the lobby, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, “King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, (it was) so destroyed, I didn’t know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out.” Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story.

Mr. Jennings was admittedly confused as to why Building 7 had to come down at all, and does not accept the official reason that the noises he heard were from a fuel oil tank, “I know what I heard, I heard explosions”.

Jennings testimony was recorded by Loose Change for the Final Cut version of the extremely popular documentary, but was edited out at the final stage due to Jennings misgivings about losing his job, and endangering his family.

The BBC later interviewed Jennings for a “911 debunking special” and Jennings seemed to retract the testimony given to Loose Change. Subsequently the creators of the film released the original interview to protect their own credibility.

Barry Jennings passed away shortly thereafter and coincidentally just a few days before the long awaited NIST report on Building 7 was released to the public. It is quite possible that Jennings would have exposed the cover story of NIST, and their overall excuse that the 47 story building was the first and only skyscraper felled by fire. He never got that chance.

New Information

Yesterday, April 15th 2009 I was contacted by “Loose Change” director, and narrator Dylan Avery who said that he had recently begun investigating the death of Barry Jennings, and had found some new information relating to his death.

It seems that there is a very good possibility that Jennings’ death could have been due to foul play. Though the investigations are on going, initial findings are somewhat alarming. The conclusion is still forthcoming, but I was shocked by what I heard.

It seems that Dylan had hired a private investigator to look into Jennings death which remains shrouded in mystery. His motive was simply to bring some closure to the life of Barry Jennings, and in doing so to honor the memory of this brave American. The Investigator ended up referring the case to Law enforcement before refunding his pay, and told Dylan never to contact him again. Very unusual to say the least. Dylan also paid a visit to the Jennings home. He found it vacant and for sale.

Personally, something is really beginning to stink here. Why would a highly paid PI refuse to continue his investigation? Why did he refer the matter to police? He is not talking. What is he afraid of. Was he warned to cease and desist? If so by whom? These are some of the new questions revolving around the Jennings case.

In every major cover up from the JFK assassination to Iran Contra, we can see one common thread. The untimely death of eyewitnesses. Barry Jennings was not only an important and most credible eyewitness, but he openly refuted much of the government, and media version of events. He was a liability.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-17   20:24:17 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: farmfriend (#45)

I don't understand your post.

If Jennings had entered WTC7 after the North tower collapsed why wouldn't there be pandemonium throughout the area, EVERYWHERE?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   21:26:08 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeroo (#47)

bucky read this out loud for all to hear.
At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-17   23:49:31 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: IRTorqued (#84)

Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing.

Got link?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-17   23:59:53 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: buckeroo (#88)

scroll up to Farmfriend's post number 45 she posted it to you. dang! you members of the liar movement want everything handed to you just like the official fairy tale talking points the government provides you with.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-18   0:10:50 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#97. To: IRTorqued (#94)

scroll up to Farmfriend's post number 45 she posted it to you.

Her post is confusing because the activities described was AFTER the first tower collapsed. If so, there would be pandemonium everywhere.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-18 00:24:46 ET  [Locked]   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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