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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design. Subscribe to *4um PSY-OP Club*

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Your overall article comment is hacked, patch work quilt of pure, unadulterated BS. You even know it... the conclusions (without mathematics or physics) are unsupported allegations.

Sure it is buckie, sure it is...

1. Statement for the Record FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry, September 26, 2002. [<-]
2. Jim Yardley and Jo Thomas, “For Agent in Phoenix, the Cause of Many Frustrations Extended to His Own Office," New York Times, June 19, 2002. [<-]
3. “FBI Names 19 Men as Hijackers,” Washington Post, September 15, 2001; Page A01. [<-]
4. “Working Draft Chronology of Events for Hijackers and Associates,” FBI, November 14, 2003 (hereafter “FBI Hijackers Timeline”), p. 41. The complete FBI timeline is available for download online. See: “Newly Released FBI Timeline Reveals New Information about 9/11 Hijackers that Was Ignored by 9/11 Commission”, HistoryCommons.org, February 14, 2008. The timeline reads: “FAA issued Commercial Pilot certificate #2576802 to [redacted] [sic].” The “[sic]” is in the original. Why the name “Hani Saleh Hanjoor” is redacted is unclear. [<-]
5. The Final Report of the National commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, p. 225-227 (hereafter “9/11 Commission Report”). [<-]
6. 9/11 Commission Report, p. 530. [<-]
7. Global Security, September 14, 2001. [<-]
8. “Hijackers ‘knew what they were doing,’” CNN, September 12, 2001. The quote is CNN’s paraphrase of what the flight expert told them. [<-]
9. “‘Get These Planes on the Ground’: Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11,83; ABC News, October 24, 2001. [<-]
10. “Prima ry Target: 189 Dead Or Missing From Pentagon Attack”, CBS News, September 21, 2001. [<-]
11. Marc Fisher and Don Phillips, “On Flight 77: ‘Our Plane is Being Hijacked,’” Washington Post, September 12, 2001; Page A01 [<-]
12. Steve Fainaru and Alia Ibrahim, “Mysterious Trip to Flight 77 Cockpit,” Washington Post, September 10, 2002. [<-] [<-]
13. “Flight Path Study – American Airlines Flight 77,” NTSB, February 19, 2002. [<-]
14. A copy of the NTSB video was obtained by the group Pilots for 9/11 Truth. It is available for viewing on YouTube (accessed April 8, 2010). [<-]
15. “The Pentagon,” GlobalSecurity.org. [<-]
16. Don Van Natta and Lizette Alvarez, “A Hijacked Boeing 757 Slams Into the Pentagon, Halting the Government,” New York Times, September 12, 2001. [<-]
17. “The Pentagon,” Great Buildings Online (accessed March 27, 2010). Boeing 757 Technical Specifications from Boeing.com (accessed Marcy 27, 2010). [<-]
18. “DoD News Briefing on Pentagon Renovation,” Department of Defense, September 15, 2001. [<-]
19. Los Angeles Times, September 27, 2001. [<- ] [<-]
20. “FBI Summary about Alleged Flight 77 Hijacker Hani Hanjour”, Scribd.com (accessed April 6, 2010; herafter “FBI Timeline for Hani Hanjour”). This document was cited by the 9/11 Commission. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) possesses the Commission’s records and has released many documents to the public. See: “9/11 Commission Records,” NARA (accessed March 28, 2010). Many of the released records are available online at Scribd.com. See: “9/11 Document Archive,” Scribd.com (accessed March 28, 2010). [<-]
21. Washington Post, September 10, 2002. [<- ]
22. Charles M. Sennott, “Why bin Laden plot relied on Saudi hijackers,” Boston Globe, March 3, 2002. [<-]
23. Joel Mowbray, “Visas that Should Have Been Denied,” National Review Online, October 9, 2002. [<-] [<-] [<-]
24. FBI Timeline for Hani Hanjour. [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-] [<-]
25. Thomas Frank, “Tracing Trail of Hijackers,” Newsday, September 23, 2001. [<-]
26. David W. Chen, “Man Traveled Across U.S. In His Quest to Be a Pilot,” New York Times, September 18, 2001. [<-] [<-]
27. “Who Did It? FBI Links Names to Terror Attacks,” ABC News, October 4, 2001. [<-]
28. Newsday, September 23, 2001. [<-]
29. “Hanjour an unlikely terrorist,” Cape Cod Times, October 21, 2001. [<-]
30. Carol J. Williams, John-Thor Dahlburg, and H.G. Reza, “Mainly, They Just Waited,” Los Angeles Times, September 27, 2001. [<-]
31. V. Dion Haynes, “Algerian man didn’t try to hide, neighbors say,” Chicago Tribune, October 2, 2001. [<-]
32. “FBI Summary of Information, Lofti Raissi”, January 4, 2004. [<-] [<-]
33. 9/11 Commission Report p. 520. [<-]
34. Hanjour’s FAA airman documentation from the 9/11 Commission records released by NARA are available online at Scribd. [<-]
35. Hanjour’s FAA airman records are available online at Scribd. [<-]
36. Kellie Lunney, “FAA contractors approved flight licenses for Sept. 11 suspect,” Government Executive, June 13, 2002. [<-]
37. “Report: 9/11 Hijacker Bypassed FAA,” Associated Press, September 30, 2004 [<-] [<-]
38. Government Executive, June 13, 2002. [<-]
39. The 9/11 Commission Report, p. 12. The report notes that “To our knowledge none of them [the hijackers] had ever flown an actual airliner before.” [<-]
40. Code of Federal Regulations, Title 14, Sections 61.123, 61.129. Present requirements in these regards are the same as they were when Hanjour obtained his certificate. See the version revised as of January 1, 1999. [<-]
41. 9/11 Commission Report, p. 521- 522. [<-]
42. “FBI FD-302, James Charles McRae,” April 10, 2001. [<-]
43. Jim Yardley, “A Trainee Noted for Incompetence,” New York Times, May 4, 2002. [<-] [<-]
44. “FAA Probed, Cleared Sept. 11 Hijacker in Early 2001,” Associated Press, May 10, 2002. [<-]
45. David Hancock, “FAA Was Alerted to Sept. 11 Hijacker,” CBS News, May 10, 2002. [<-] [<-]
46. Jim Yardley and Jo Thomas, “For Agent in Phoenix, the Cause of Many Frustrations Extended to His Own Office,” New York Times, June 19, 2001 [<-]
47. FBI Hijacker’s Timeline, p.123. [<-]
48. Associated Press, May 10, 2002. [<-]
49. 9/11 Commission Report, p. 242. [<-]
50. Brooke A. Masters, Leef Smith, and Michael D. Shear, “Dulles Hijackers Made Maryland Their Base,” Washington Post, September 19, 2001; Page A01. [<-]
51. “Piecing together the shadowy lives of the hijackers,” Telegraph, September 20, 2001. [<-]
52. Thomas Frank, “Tracing Trail of Hijackers,” Newsday, November 24, 2004. [<-]
53. FBI Hijackers Timeline, p. 150, 154, 156-157, 161-162, 166-167. [<-]
54. Jacques Billeaud, “More Arizona ties to terror suspect,” Associated Press, September 20, 2001. [<-]
55. "9/11 Commission Report," p. 529. The document cited by the 9/11 Commission was obtained by Intelwire.com. “FBI Memorandum, Sawyer Aviation records”, October 12, 2001. [<-]
56. “FBI FD-302, Interrogation of Tina Beth Arnold (Sawyer Aviation) ,” FBI, October 17, 2001. [<-]
57. “FBI Summary of Information, Lotfi Raissi,” FBI, January 4, 2004 [<-] [<-] [<-]
58. William F. Jasper, “9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction," The New American, May 2, 2005. [<-]
59. “Airplane Flight: How High? How Fast? ” NASA (accessed April 17, 2010). Relative airspeed is calculated by the equation B d v2 = W, where factor B depends on the profile of a given set of wings (larger wings produce more lift), d is air density, v is velocity, and W is the airplane’s weight. At 30,000 feet, air density is about ¼ that at sea level, allowing an airliner to double its speed to produce the same amount of lift. [<-]
60. Patrick Smith, “A sk the pilot,” Salon, May 19, 2006. [<-]
61. “What Really Happened: The 9/11 Fact File,” Der Spiegel, December 20, 2006. [<-]

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   20:46:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

What is Sullivan's background?

He demolished buildings using explosives, and worked for Controlled Demolition Inc.

You know, the same company your boyfriend likes to bring up as a source.

Did you even read the article?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   20:48:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh and BTW, World Trade Center Building 7 DID collapse at free fall speed.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   20:51:09 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

BFD... your article uses a few footnotes/references that are factual but don't lead to conclusions supporting the thesis.

Hanjour was a licensed pilot! You lose, pal... your own quotes from [35]....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   20:52:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

At that point, the alleged pilot Hanjour could have simply decreased thrust, nosed down, and guided the plane into what would have been 29 acres, or 1,263,240 square feet of target area – the equivalent of about 22 football fields.15 From this angle, proverbially speaking, it would have been like trying to hit the side of a barn. Hanjour could have guided the plane into the enormous roof of the building, including the side of the building where the office of the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, was located, and where he happened to be that morning.

Instead, the plane began a steep banking descent, circling downward in a 330- degree turn while dropping more than 5,600 feet in three minutes before re- aligning with the Pentagon and increasing to maximum thrust towards the building. The nose was kept down despite the increased lift from the acceleration, while flying so close to the ground that it clipped lamp posts along the interstate highway before plowing into the building at

...

Instead of descending at an angle and plowing through the roof and floors of the building to cause the greatest possible number of casualties, including possibly taking out the Secretary of Defense, Hanjour hit wedge 1 of the Pentagon, opposite to Rumsfeld’s office, which happened to be under construction, and where the plane, travelling horizontally, had to penetrate through the steel- and kevlar-reinforced outer wall of the building’s southwest E-ring in addition to the numerous additional walls of the inner rings of the building.

What a fucking whack

You want to allege that any attacker deliberately ignored a high value north side target, to put the plane into a turn where he clipped lamp standards and instead hit a mostly empty, mostly vacant, recently reinforced office backwater.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-22   20:53:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

The details of how the demolitions were accomplished are largely irrelevant at this point in time, except that al Qaeda clearly lacked the access to accomplish any variant of them.

Yep.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   20:54:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh and BTW, World Trade Center Building 7 DID collapse at free fall speed.

Where are the credentials of the folks that made that YouTube uplink? As far as I am concerned it is worthless data.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   20:55:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

World Trade Center Building 7 DID collapse at free fall speed.

Like that should be a surprise.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   20:56:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

What a fucking whack

Ah, when totally proven wrong, resort to calling me a "fucking whack", how brilliant.

You want to allege that any attacker deliberately ignored a high value north side target, to put the plane into a turn where he clipped lamp standards and instead hit a mostly empty, mostly vacant, recently reinforced office backwater.

Well OF COURSE that is what would happen if the ATTACKER was NOT a "crazed raghead" who "hated us for our freedom", but rather some covert remote operator utilizing computer assisted flight control to take out an area that would do the LEAST damage.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   20:57:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

proverbially speaking

Aren't those cool, neat facts from FL's own resource? WOW... "proverbial" has really swayed my thinking now.

ROTFL

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   20:57:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

proverbially speaking

Aren't those cool, neat facts from FL's own resource? WOW... "proverbial" has really swayed my thinking now.

ROTFL

They're not facts. It's an analogy.

"Like hitting the side of a barn."

Which it was.

Fuck you're stupid.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:01:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Me: I don't have time right now to locate my post on the ZioNIST report that clearly shows on its own pages (173-174, I think it is) how demolitions could easily have been planted at intervals and in several different ways during what might have appeared to be only routine building inspections. That's in addition to the Powerdown period and in addition to the many months of such access with Maintenance passes that the WTC Art Students-in-Residence had available to them to stage-prop and plant explosives in the buildings, so the arguments that it couldn't have been done covertly are baseless nonsense. Will try to find it and link it here as a reference as soon as I can get around to it.

There are two and here they are @:

Everyone who believes that those who trust the government and believe it's wacky conspiracy theories are the biggest KOOKS of all, here's your thread
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=120440&Disp=0#C0

Post #49
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=120440&Disp=49#C49

Post #50
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=120440&Disp=50#C50

So don't try to make that baseless nonsense claim again, Non-Truthers, or be exposed and PWND as Willful Liars.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-22   21:02:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Where are the credentials of the folks that made that YouTube uplink?

Watch the videos and find out...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:03:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

They're not facts. It's an analogy.

Oh this is RICH! .. no facts just silly BS. Thanks for making my point, pal.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:03:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

E pur si muove! (& the truth will out.)

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-07-22   21:03:53 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Retard, everyone that sees WTC come down knows it was a controlled demolition if they have even a average IQ. You obviously don't, but it is nice that they let you play at the computer at your retard institution.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-22   21:06:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

but rather some covert remote operator utilizing computer assisted

So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings, whackjob?

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-22   21:06:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

BFD... your article uses a few footnotes/references that are factual but don't lead to conclusions supporting the thesis.

Oh sure, ALL the witnesses and people involved don't know as much as you bucko.

The air traffic controllers at Dulles International Airport are no match for your expertise, and the various airline pilots stating the pilot who flew the plane into the Pentagon had to have been highly skilled are no match for your vast experience flying airliners, and the flight instructors who actually delt with him and who judged him to be totally incompentent just didn't know what they were talking about I guess.

In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license, right bucko?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:09:57 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings, whackjob?

It wasn't the Pentagon, Rumsfeld wasn't there, and they WANTED to bring those towers down.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:10:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Retard, everyone that sees WTC come down knows it was a controlled demolition if they have even a average IQ.

Any FACTS called mathematics and physics or mechanical stress analysis? You should be ashamed of your own posts.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:11:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-22   21:12:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

So why didn't your ***covert remote operator*** use the same tactic of hitting the "least damageable location" of NYC buildings

Oh and there WAS a ***covert remote operator*** or two involved, at least in terms of setting off the remote triggered demolitions.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:12:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

It wasn't the Pentagon, Rumsfeld wasn't there

Rumsfeld wasn't in the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 in the early morning hours briefing with Wolfowitz? Link, please?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:12:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh this is RICH! .. no facts just silly BS. Thanks for making my point, pal.

You argue like a girl.

A dumb girl.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:13:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh and there WAS a ***covert remote operator*** or two involved, at least in terms of setting off the remote triggered demolitions.

PROOF, please.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:13:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, you had your panties pulled down agreeing with me, wud.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:14:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

"TCP/IP crap for public networks"

You have no shame, because you have no idea how damn stupid you are.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-22   21:14:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Any FACTS called mathematics and physics or mechanical stress analysis?

You ignore any facts and evidence presented, whether it utilizes physics and math, or whether it's testimony from actual experts and witnesses.

You cling to your religious belief that 19 "angry ragheads did 911", no matter HOW much proof and evidence there is which conflicts with that faith based belief.

In fact, 7 or more of them are still alive, so guess what, it wasn't THOSE 7 or so that "did it".

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:15:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

9/11 Was An Inside Job.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:15:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Stop insulting the girls.....even the dumb gilrs!!

Respect my authority!!! : )

Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

1 Thousand.

Edit: 1 Thousand and one.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

PROOF, please.

Since building 7 could NOT have collapsed any other way than by controlled demolition, do you think some guy stood there with a Bic lighter inside the building and lit a fuse?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

You wrecked my thousand.

Dumb girl.

:-)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Nope.......Ab snuck in for 1000.

You'll have to settle for 1001. : P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

1 Thousand.

abraxas beat you to it by one...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license, right bucko?

The 9/11 Commission received authoritative reports about Hanjour from the FBI throught "Summary of PENTTBOM Investigations." They made no determination as to Hanjour's characteristics to pass or fail.... but you know this.

Why are you distorting the facts?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:18:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!

Wow, that doesn't happen too often around here, congratulations are in order.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:18:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm a wrecker and roller.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:19:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

Excuse me while I go sulk...

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:19:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  

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