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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition".

The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell.

Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York.

After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001.

This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking").

Resistance to collapse

Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures.

Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts.

"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website.

Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse.

His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.

This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.

'Fair assumption'

The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell".

"One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen.

The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.

The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center.

This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers.

Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble.

Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse.

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#999. To: FormerLurker (#998)

9/11 Was An Inside Job.


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:15:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1000. To: wudidiz (#994)
(Edited)

Stop insulting the girls.....even the dumb gilrs!!

Respect my authority!!! : )

Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1001. To: All, *9-11* (#999) (Edited)

1 Thousand.

Edit: 1 Thousand and one.


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1002. To: buckeroo (#995)

PROOF, please.

Since building 7 could NOT have collapsed any other way than by controlled demolition, do you think some guy stood there with a Bic lighter inside the building and lit a fuse?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:16:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1003. To: abraxas (#1000)

You wrecked my thousand.

Dumb girl.

:-)


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1004. To: wudidiz (#1001)

Nope.......Ab snuck in for 1000.

You'll have to settle for 1001. : P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1005. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#1001)

1 Thousand.

abraxas beat you to it by one...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:17:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1006. To: FormerLurker (#988)

In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license, right bucko?

The 9/11 Commission received authoritative reports about Hanjour from the FBI throught "Summary of PENTTBOM Investigations." They made no determination as to Hanjour's characteristics to pass or fail.... but you know this.

Why are you distorting the facts?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:18:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1007. To: abraxas (#1000)

Yippie.......Ab slips in for 1000!!!

Wow, that doesn't happen too often around here, congratulations are in order.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:18:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1008. To: wudidiz (#1003)

I'm a wrecker and roller.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:19:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1009. To: abraxas (#1008)

Excuse me while I go sulk...


"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-22   21:19:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1010. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#1007)

Thanks FL.........I had to sneak in and garner the coveteted post from the grasp of wudidiz.

But Ididiz....lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:20:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1011. To: buckeroo (#1006)

The 9/11 Commission received authoritative reports about Hanjour from the FBI throught "Summary of PENTTBOM Investigations." They made no determination as to Hanjour's characteristics to pass or fail.... but you know this.

EVERYBODY said in one way or another that Hanjour's English was woefully inadequate, in fact, at one point a flight school suggested an interpretor, which is actually illegal since a pilot is REQUIRED by law to be able to read, write, speak, and understand English.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:20:58 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1012. To: buckeroo (#1006)

deleted

The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-22   21:21:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1013. To: FormerLurker (#998)

In fact, 7 or more of them are still alive, so guess what, it wasn't THOSE 7 or so that "did it".

Proof positive that you know and understand that the others died hijacking four passenger jet aircraft.

Again, thank you FL for demonstrating FACTS once in a while.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:22:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1014. To: wudidiz (#1009)

I snuck in earlier today for the triple 8 too....Neener, Neener, Neener.

Ididiz, wud..... : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:23:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1015. To: FormerLurker (#1011)

EVERYBODY said in one way or another that Hanjour's English was woefully inadequate, in fact, at one point a flight school suggested an interpretor, which is actually illegal since a pilot is REQUIRED by law to be able to read, write, speak, and understand English.

Well, my poor little loser... Hanjour received his certifications one way or another.... You lose.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:23:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1016. To: buckeroo (#1015) (Edited)

From the Hanjour article.

It was upon his return to Arizona Aviation in 2000 that the 9/11 Commission stated he wanted "refresher" training on multi-engine planes but was advised to discontinue "because his English was not good enough." The implications are that Hanjour was merely brushing up on skills he had already achieved through previous flight training, and that the only reason he was advised not to continue was because of his poor language skills. But turning to the report’s footnote, it reads: "For his desire to train on multi-engine planes, his language difficulties, the instructor’s advice, and his reaction, see FBI report of investigation, interview of Rodney McAlear, Apr. 10, 2002."41 That document reveals that McAlear worked not for Arizona Aviation, but rather "instructed Hani Hanjour in ground school flight training at Jet Tech in the early 2001."42 The 9/11 Commission, by misleadingly suggesting that this occurred at Arizona Aviation, apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school, when the truth is that it occurred when he was at a different school he'd never been to before.

The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough. As already noted, an instructor at Arizona Aviation thought his earlier failings there were due primarily to his poor flight skills, and not because of his language inadequacies. More importantly, again, this training actually occurred at Jet Tech. Turning to the documentary record, as article in the New York Times entitled "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence" noted, his instructors there "found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot’s license was genuine". As a result, they actually reported him to the FAA and requested confirmation that his certificate was legitimate. The staff there "feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner." Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the academy, told the Times, "There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern that ‘you really shouldn’t be in the air.’"43


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:24:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1017. To: RickyJ (#997)

"TCP/IP crap for public networks"

You have misquoted me at 990.... you don't even know how to post.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:26:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1018. To: buckeroo (#1015)

Well, my poor little loser... Hanjour received his certifications one way or another.... You lose.

Probably the same way he was able to get out of the country after the operation was pulled off, well, if they didn't liquidate him, but I doubt he would have performed as he did if he thought they'd put a bullet in his head and dump him at the bottom of a landfill or something once it was over.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:28:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1019. To: FormerLurker (#1016)

From the Hanjour article.

What article? No reference?

It was upon his return to Arizona Aviation in 2000 that the 9/11 Commission stated he wanted "refresher" training on multi-engine planes but was advised to discontinue "because his English was not good enough." The implications are that Hanjour was merely brushing up on skills he had already achieved through previous flight training, and that the only reason he was advised not to continue was because of his poor language skills. But turning to the report’s footnote, it reads: "For his desire to train on multi-engine planes, his language difficulties, the instructor’s advice, and his reaction, see FBI report of investigation, interview of Rodney McAlear, Apr. 10, 2002."41 That document reveals that McAlear worked not for Arizona Aviation, but rather "instructed Hani Hanjour in ground school flight training at Jet Tech in the early 2001."42 The 9/11 Commission, by misleadingly suggesting that this occurred at Arizona Aviation, apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school, when the truth is that it occurred when he was at a different school he'd never been to before.

BFD... Hanjour hijacked the palne, flew it into the Pentagon... About two hundred people are dead.

The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough. As already noted, an instructor at Arizona Aviation thought his earlier failings there were due primarily to his poor flight skills, and not because of his language inadequacies. More importantly, again, this training actually occurred at Jet Tech. Turning to the documentary record, as article in the New York Times entitled "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence" noted, his instructors there "found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot’s license was genuine". As a result, they actually reported him to the FAA and requested confirmation that his certificate was legitimate. The staff there "feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner." Marilyn Ladner, a vice president at the academy, told the Times, "There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern that ‘you really shouldn’t be in the air.’"43

Who cares what the NYTimes says.

You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock. You started out with credentials not being certified... now its his English skills.... Did you want to blow him too?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:31:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1020. To: buckeroo (#1013)

Proof positive that you know and understand that the others died hijacking four passenger jet aircraft.

Again, thank you FL for demonstrating FACTS once in a while.

If at least 7 are alive, that means those 7 didn't hijack any planes on Sept. 11, 2001, and crash them into buildings.

So then why are they still listed as the "official hijackers"? And if there are 7 that definitely are alive, there's a good chance that ALL of them are, although probably living under new identities and new appearances.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:31:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1021. To: buckeroo (#1019)

Did you want to blow him too?

Nope, that's more for you and your boyfriend AG to take up with each other.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:32:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1022. To: buckeroo (#1019)

You have stretched Hanjour to the point that I am wondering if you are a total dick looking to suck his cock.

You are getting a bit unhinged there buck. Are you hitting the bottle again, or is it Sterno this time?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:33:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1023. To: GreyLmist (#982)

So don't try to make that baseless nonsense claim again, Non-Truthers, or be exposed and PWND as Willful Liars.

They've probably lied so much so long about so many things that their consciences have been seared and they think nothing of it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-22   21:33:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1024. To: wudidiz (#999)

999 ain't bad......unless you turn it upside down. 8 P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:35:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1025. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1018)

Probably the same way he was able to get out of the country after the operation was pulled off

Hanjour is alive like Elvis, Hitler and Michael Jackson? This is getting better and better.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:35:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1026. To: buckeroo (#1019)

What article? No reference?

My how you are getting forgetful buck, are you sober enough to continue?

Hanjour article

BFD... Hanjour hijacked the palne, flew it into the Pentagon... About two hundred people are dead.

It'd be close to impossible for Hanjour to have attacked the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:37:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1027. To: FormerLurker (#988)

In fact, even the 9/11 Commissioners who determined his English skills to be inadequate were just being racists and picking on the poor guy, since his English skills MUST have been pretty good for him to get that license

They be racis' and shee-it!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-22   21:37:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1028. To: James Deffenbach (#1027)

Oh de humanity!!!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-22   21:37:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1029. To: abraxas (#1028)

Oh de humanity!!!!

Yeah. It's a sorry old world, ain't it?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-22   21:42:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1030. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1026)

It'd be close to impossible for Hanjour to have attacked the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757.

Oh... it's only "close" now... not impossible.... you are such a Bullshitter... you can't determine where your own two legs stand as you slip and slide all over the topic.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:42:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1031. To: buckeroo (#993)

Rumsfeld wasn't in the Pentagon on September 11, 2001

In response to a question from your pal, I said that the reasons they brought down the WTC yet were careful in how they hit the Pentagon, besides the fact they WANTED to bring down the WTC, is that Rumsfeld wasn't there (at the WTC), and that it wasn't the Pentagon, which they obviously DIDN'T want to damage too much.

Take the time to read and understand what is written, not what you think it says. I tried to make it clearer for you buck. Do you understand it now?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:43:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1032. To: buckeroo (#1030)

Oh... it's only "close" now... not impossible....

I said with a Cessna idiot, that isn't what he allegedly used now is it.

Is a 757 made by Cessna in your world?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:44:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1033. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, ALL (#1031)

I said that the reasons they brought down the WTC yet were careful in how they hit the Pentagon

Where is this inside knowledge, FL? You seem to KNOW all about the reasons.....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:47:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1034. To: James Deffenbach (#1023) (Edited)

They've probably lied so much so long about so many things that their consciences have been seared and they think nothing of it.

Most likely but still, they've been adequately warned now so it's their own fault if they get exposed and PWND as Willful Liars on that score. Amazing how they don't even seem to blink as they transform their guy who couldn't takeoff and land correctly but, evidently, was nevertheless improperly and illegaly certified into a stunt-pilot who somehow managed to acquire in-flight such landing skill that he could travel inches above the lawn without so much as scorching it from the jet exhaust. Maybe he guzzled some of that trademark Magical Jet Fuel like it was Moonshine, eh? That's my guess, anyway.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-22   21:48:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1035. To: FormerLurker (#1032)

Is a 757 made by Cessna in your world?

Are you entirely crazy?

Hanjour was certified as both a private pilot and commercial aircraft. The issue is silly.... like all your repeated shit.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-22   21:49:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1036. To: GreyLmist (#1034)

Maybe he guzzled some of that trademark Magical Jet Fuel like it was Moonshine, eh? That's my guess, anyway.

Probably mixed it with Sterno. I believe the shills on here drink Sterno and KOOK AID but it's really got 'em messed up and they don't even know what they're dur'n (as Shirley Q. Liquor says).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-22   21:53:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1037. To: buckeroo (#1033) (Edited)

Where is this inside knowledge, FL? You seem to KNOW all about the reasons.....

Let's start from the beginning, since you jumped into a response I made to another person, and didn't quite understand it since you were too lazy to click your mouse to see what was originally said.

Your pal was bloviating about WHY would a "terrorist" steer the jet AWAY from Rumsfeld's office and the high value section of the Pentagon and instead strike a relatively unoccupied section going through renovations, which IS exactly what happened.

I told him that would be because the covert operation didn't wish to cause THAT much damage to the Pentagon. Of course, they obviously didn't wish to kill a lot of high ranking military officers and such either, nor did they wish to kill Secretary Rumsfeld.

THAT is the only logical answer as to WHY the plane veered away from the high value side of the building, since instead it could have easily descended into the ROOF of the building causing extensive damage to much of the building, engulfing it in flames, and possibly killing a whole lot of high ranking people.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   21:55:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#1038. To: buckeroo (#1035)

Are you entirely crazy?

You responded as if you thought I was saying he is alleged to have flown a Cessna into the Pentagon, since you couldn't understand what I meant when I said, "he more than likely couldn't attack the Pentagon with a Cessna, never mind a 757".

Hanjour was certified as both a private pilot and commercial aircraft.

Neither of which he was actually qualified for, according to anyone who tested his "abilities". BTW, his "commercial license" allowed him to fly for hire, but not anything in the way of jet aircraft, just a standard propeller driven plane.

He wasn't capable of flying a SINGLE-ENGINE craft, yet he was supposedly certified on an Apache twin-engine.

The whole story stinks, yet you gobble it up as if it were gospel.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-22   22:02:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  



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