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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#611. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#606)
So, produce a legitimate reference citing chapter and verse of where Hanjour allegedly got his license and under what circumstances or stand refuted. Wow, buckie getting caught in another lie. How NOT surprising...
Is it your argument that it is impossible that he got it fraudulently? My argument is that nearly every single statement you Half-Truthers make is out of context, selectively quoting, idiotic pretenses at being logical, or just plain false. As in Post #527 There IS no information on Hanjour, the "certificate" was probably entered into the computer by an "associate". There is no record of what school he took lessons from in terms of either a commericial or private pilot's license. It was fabricated apparently. ... FormerLurker posted on 2010-07-21 1:01:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply as well as the claim Hanjour couldn't fly anything, when in fact he had to have passed FAA tests giving him a commercial pilot license in 1999. The clearest explanation is from Bernard,who saw the reality that regardless of how sloppy Hanjour looked, he still had enough knowledge and skill to be able to take an aircraft over mid-air and crash it at high speeds. And your refutation of his known instructors that he was not competent and that he was turned down for a rental of a single engine Cessna is? You can throw up all the smoke you want, but the testimony of his instructors is on record. Hanjour was not a competent pilot, regardless of any paper, and HAS NEVER EVIDENCED THE SKILLS necessary to have pulled off the feat of aerobatics with a Jumbo Jet that are attributed to him. As well we have on record the doubts expressed by experienced professional pilots with a lot of hours behind the stick that they doubt that they could do what that known incompetent is alleged to have done. Further, there is nothing which definitively puts Hanjour behind the stick - that is all supposition coming from an already discredited source the FBI, whose crime lab was caught falsifying evidence in literally thousands of cases. Tainting Evidence: Inside the Scandals at the FBI Crime Lab ...
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
WOW!!!!!!! You read page 135 of the link I provided (I wager no one did) .... that is where the discussion STARTS. Page 136 is the ACTUAL reference, first paragraph.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
ROTFL ... read post above.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh really there Mr. Shillster. Find ONE post where that would be true. Neither you nor your goverment stooge AGitprop have ever responded to the simple fact I pointed out, where your fellow stooge Eager didn't even take the fact that the collisions between collapsing floors would be "inelastic" rather than "elastic", thus any momentum calculations where the notion that kinetic energy is conserved would be bogus, since kinetic energy is NOT conserved in an inelastic collion. Now explain that.
but did you ever imagine buckleunderoo was a Warmist BSer and a Official 911 Storyteller ??
You scenario that considers "freefall" at the top of the WTC to cite just one. I am still laffing about that idea.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So, produce a legitimate reference citing chapter and verse of where Hanjour allegedly got his license and under what circumstances or stand refuted. Wow, buckie getting caught in another lie. How NOT surprising... Shocking isn't it?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You forgot, he is also a "Peak Oiler." A trifecta of tard if you will.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What documentation? Your gif file that incorrectly showed Flight 77 turning around over West Virginia, where the NTSB is on record and has reported that it flew over Ohio THEN turned around? Provide the following documentation; Now explain that. I already provided @post#1 and #3 links for the mathematics and pictures to clarify your silly ideas borrowed from a "conspiracy" website. Maybe here at post [edit: "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh, so you find it humorous that most people don't start counting from 80 when they are asked to count backwards from 110? If you want to find the total free fall time of ANY object, you look at it's height, and use that to determine it's fall time using simple Newtonian equations. Whatever junk science BS you're trying to sell here isn't going to fly. You should learn to keep things like that to yourself until you've had time to do a bit of research, and you should ESPECIALLY not try to make yourself look smart by arguing these things with people who DO know about them.
1. Name of Hanjour's commercial flight school, and the name of his instructor 2. Actual copy of Hanjour's commercial pilot's license 3. Location and date of Hanjour's FAA commericial pilot's exam 4. Name of the FAA examiner who administered the exam It doesn't matter .. Hanjour held certification from the FAA ... if you had read the authoritative link I provided, you would have the data. But you won't read... because and it is obvious ..... you are a lamer, pal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
LOL. A 'Turdfecta'...
The moment of energy was at floors 81 and 96.... not 110. You lose.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't want silly images from bogus sources, I want you to explain to me why Eager treated the collisions between floors as elastic collisions rather than inelastic collions, which makes a WORLD of difference in the analysis. You claim to know about math and physics, so go ahead and answer my question rather than referring to cartoon images of things that are irrelevant to the question.
??????????????????????????????? "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Give a link to this guy. I haven't researched his work or his background to date. He has not been a reference for any of my researched work on this thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Just admit that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at all in terms of physics. So you are now on record as saying it doesn't matter how high something is, it'll ALL hit the ground as soon as the part of it that is broken hits the ground. Let's see, if I build a tower of legos ten feet tall, take a baseball bat to the very bottom row of legos, the top will hit the floor at the exact time as the the bat hits the bottom. Same if the tower were 100 feet tall, just take out the first foot, and the top along with the rest instantly hit the ground at the same time, eh? Or hell, satellites should instantly fall out of space since there's nothing holding them up, right? Perhaps, if I drop a coin from the top of the Empire State Building, it'll hit the ground as soon as I let it go, right? What an idiot.
You and your pal AGovShill like to plaster his name and refer to his "work", stating that it's irrefutable, yet you don't know the first thing about it. Again, caught bringing up things you have no f'in clue about.
Give a link to this guy. I haven't researched his work or his background to date. He has not been a reference for any of my researched work on this thread. Hey OI, now buck is claiming he's never heard of Eager.
Produce one reference, anywhere... that I have used about a guy named "Eager."
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I don't want silly images from bogus sources, I want you to explain to me why Eager treated the collisions between floors as elastic collisions rather than inelastic collions, which makes a WORLD of difference in the analysis. You claim to know about math and physics, so go ahead and answer my question rather than referring to cartoon images of things that are irrelevant to the question. And he can cite Eager all he wants but the fatal flaw in Dr. CIA's explanation for the collapse is that it does not take into account the core of the building. (The same CIA that produced the phony animation that showed flight 800 continuing to gain altitude with its nose blown off.) Not only was the core made of heavy UL certified steel it was cross braced and filled with concrete. The collapse rate of the core is clearly shown in the video that wud posted as still standing after the floors around it had collapsed, but instead of tumbling as one would expect from an unstable and degraded structure it too collapses straight down. The other problem with Eager's explanation was that it relied on the jet fuel for heating which even NIST now admits was all burned up in the first ten minutes.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Give a link to this guy. I haven't researched his work or his background to date. He has not been a reference for any of my researched work on this thread. Hey OI, now buck is claiming he's never heard of Eager. So much for his supposed expertise on 911 when he does not even know the name of the principal creator of the Pancakes theory of building collapse. Wadda' flapjack.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I have NEVER mentioned anything about "Eager" although you have repeatedly performed this.... as though your comment proves something about a professor. Over 250 posts ago, I asked for your links on the guy.... as is usual practice... you can't produce squat.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Along with all that, the BIGGEST fundamental error is something that a freshman in Physics would see, and that is the fact that you CAN'T make believe kinetic energy is conserved by treating the collisions between floors as elastic collisions, they were inelastic, thus his entire analysis is bogus.
You didn't even read the thread article or its source to include ALL of my later references. He doesn't matter to me unless YOU can disprove the crush down theory or demonstrate that demolitions were actually used.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Bullshit Buck. I posted a half dozen links in response to your post, which was a response to mine talking about Eager's connections and likely government funding, illustrating the connections between M.I.T. and CIA.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Were you chit-chatting with someone else? Because I haven't referenced Eager at all. [hint: use your edit feature and browse "Eager" from any of my references other than yours and FL's confused mental states.]
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Along with all that, the BIGGEST fundamental error is something that a freshman in Physics would see, and that is the fact that you CAN'T make believe kinetic energy is conserved by treating the collisions between floors as elastic collisions, they were inelastic, thus his entire analysis is bogus. True, and of course Eager knows better. His analysis only works for those ignorant of building construction, the amount of fuel available, and that the towers were basically a building within a building in their structural support. Eager's hypothesis only works on the outer layer which derived the majority of its structural support from the immensely strong inner core which he almost totally ignores in his supposed explanation.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What do you think of this picture? "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I think a picture is worth a thousand words.... is the above picture close to your explanation, too?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
And here is another picture illustrating the concept: "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Where did you get your info claiming the FDR did not show any movement for 40 hours and 11 flights prior to September 11? Wikipedia? I checked that source you posted as "proof" and it doesn't link to any quoted source which verifies the claim: the status of the cockpit door, which showed no sign of having been opened during the hijacking or previous 40 hours, including 11 flights prior to the hijacking. [1] That [1] reference is an NTSB pdf file and maybe I'm missing something but I don't see anything at all like that claim in it. Reference #1 in the Wiki site's footnotes is just an article by a guy with the Chinese-sounding last name, Chen, about Hani Hanjour. I thought that was amusing, since the word Han is Chinese for The Milky Way/The Heavenly River and a Hani (as like the words Saudi/Afghani/Iraqi) could indicate a person from a particular region -- iow, an earthling of the Milky Way. Han(plane)jour -- en plein jour: French for "in broad day" plane (prounounced PLAH-nay) is a Greek/Coptic term meaning "error, leading astray — "mind-bending" Btw, you've never answered my question yet about why there is no recorded engine-noise in the background of those alleged calls you say were made from the planes that day. Can you asnwer it now, please?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
FLT77 was a Boeing 757 -1 (circa,1991) not equipped with the cabin door sensors as with a 757 -3 (circa, 1997) AND there are no records of any upgrade. More than that, FDR sensors not actively integrated are defaulted to "OFF" or "CLOSED." We discussed this issue at great length on FL's "Flt77 cabin door" thread a few days ago.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The other problem with Eager's explanation was that it relied on the jet fuel for heating which even NIST now admits was all burned up in the first ten minutes. Along with all that, the BIGGEST fundamental error is something that a freshman in Physics would see You've been repeatedly challenged to show any false statements in Eagar's WTC remarks, CV or patents. All you can do is smokescreen about elastic vs. inelastic collisions, which are completely unmentioned by Eagar. Eagar does say the WTC Towers were not designed with a 90,000 liter Molotov cocktail to be ignited in them. Your off-topic remarks about elastic vs inelastic collisions are typical Half Truther obfuscations. Once again you fail to rebut anything Eagar actually has said or published or patented. You confine your Half Truther remarks to things he did not ever say.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good one. Trees are not buildings, and buildings are not trees. Trees are 99% solid. Buildings are 95% air and nearly always will break when held sideways instead of vertically.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actual studies with access to data and facts instead of internet k00ksites.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have done so NUMEROUS times here. Does he or does he not use momentum as the basis for his analysis?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBullshit yourself Buckaroonie - I downloaded the report and checked the reference. No such report exists on page 135 of the pdf.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#612. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, christine, all (#593)
So, is it your argument that ALL pilots are of equivalent skill?
#613. To: Original_Intent (#606)
So, produce a legitimate reference citing chapter and verse of where Hanjour allegedly got his license and under what circumstances or stand refuted.
#614. To: FormerLurker (#611)
Wow, buckie getting caught in another lie. How NOT surprising...
#615. To: buckeroo (#609)
You can't explain documented testimony, mathematics and physics
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#616. To: James Deffenbach (#607)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#617. To: FormerLurker (#615)
Find ONE post where that would be true.
#618. To: FormerLurker (#611)
Bullshit yourself Buckaroonie - I downloaded the report and checked the reference. No such report exists on page 135 of the pdf.
#619. To: Rotara (#616)
but did you ever imagine buckleunderoo was a Warmist BSer and a Official 911 Storyteller ??
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#620. To: buckeroo (#609)
with AG's and my researched documentation about all of your silly conspiracies
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#621. To: FormerLurker (#615)
(Edited)
Neither you nor your goverment stooge AGitprop have ever responded to the simple fact I pointed out, where your fellow stooge Eager didn't even take the fact that the collisions between collapsing floors would be "inelastic" rather than "elastic", thus any momentum calculations where the notion that kinetic energy is conserved would be bogus, since kinetic energy is NOT conserved in an inelastic collion.
5xx 6xx.. and still no proof that demolitions were used, IN-FUCKING-CREDIBLE!] you can learn to read and see pictures way back a couple of days ago.
#622. To: buckeroo (#617)
You scenario that considers "freefall" at the top of the WTC to cite just one. I am still laffing about that idea.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#623. To: FormerLurker (#620)
Provide the following documentation;
#624. To: James Deffenbach (#619)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#625. To: FormerLurker (#622)
If you want to find the total free fall time of ANY object, you look at it's height, and use that to determine it's fall time using simple Newtonian equations.
#626. To: buckeroo (#621)
I already provided @post#1 and #3 links for the mathematics and pictures to clarify your silly ideas borrowed from a "conspiracy" website
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#627. To: FormerLurker (#626)
bogus sources
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#628. To: FormerLurker (#626)
Eager
#629. To: buckeroo (#625)
The moment of energy was at floors 81 and 96.... not 110. You lose.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#630. To: buckeroo (#628)
Give a link to this guy. I haven't researched his work or his background to date. He has not been a reference for any of my researched work on this thread.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#631. To: Original_Intent, ALL, *9-11* (#628)
(Edited)
Eager
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#632. To: bucklingunder meltdown ALERT (#627)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#633. To: FormerLurker (#630)
#634. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, buckeroo, James Deffenbach, all (#626)
I already provided @post#1 and #3 links for the mathematics and pictures to clarify your silly ideas borrowed from a "conspiracy" website
#635. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, all (#631)
Eager
#636. To: Original_Intent (#634)
#637. To: Original_Intent (#634)
The other problem with Eager's explanation was that it relied on the jet fuel for heating which even NIST now admits was all burned up in the first ten minutes.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#638. To: Original_Intent (#635)
So much for his [buckeroo] supposed expertise on 911 when he does not even know the name of the principal creator of the Pancakes theory of building collapse.
#639. To: buckeroo (#636)
#640. To: Original_Intent (#639)
I posted a half dozen links in response to your post, which was a response to mine talking about Eager's connections and likely government funding, illustrating the connections between M.I.T. and CIA.
#641. To: FormerLurker (#637)
The other problem with Eager's explanation was that it relied on the jet fuel for heating which even NIST now admits was all burned up in the first ten minutes.
#642. To: FormerLurker (#637)
Along with all that, the BIGGEST fundamental error is something that a freshman in Physics would see, and that is the fact that you CAN'T make believe kinetic energy is conserved by treating the collisions between floors as elastic collisions, they were inelastic, thus his entire analysis is bogus.
#643. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#642)
#644. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#643)
#645. To: AGAviator, abraxas, James Deffenbach, All (#377)
(Edited)
The false statement that Flight 77's cabin door was not opened has been demonstrated to be a lie
#646. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker (#645)
#647. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#637)
(Edited)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#648. To: buckeroo (#644)
And here is another picture illustrating the concept:
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#649. To: GreyLmist (#645)
Where did you get your info claiming the FDR did not show any movement for 40 hours and 11 flights prior to September 11?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#650. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#647)
You've been repeatedly challenged to show any false statements in Eagar's WTC remarks, CV or patents.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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