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Title: 9/11 demolition theory challenged
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
Published: Sep 11, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-07-17 17:31:29 by buckeroo
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An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks. The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". The study suggests a different explanation for how the towers fell. Over 2,800 people were killed in the devastating attacks on New York. After reviewing television footage of the Trade Center's destruction, engineers had proposed the idea of "progressive collapse" to explain the way the twin towers disintegrated on 11 September 2001. This mode of structural failure describes the way the building fell straight down rather than toppling, with each successive floor crushing the one beneath (an effect called "pancaking"). Resistance to collapse Dr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. Previous studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localised failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. Man stands amid rubble of the World Trade Center, AFP/Getty Once the collapse began, it was destined to be "rapid and total" In other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. "The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. Dr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. His calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. This is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground. 'Fair assumption' The University of Cambridge engineer said his results therefore suggested progressive collapse was "a fair assumption in terms of how the building fell". "One thing that confounded engineers was how falling parts of the structure ploughed through undamaged building beneath and brought the towers down so quickly," said Dr Seffen. The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, AP Conspiracy theorists see evidence of a "controlled detonation" He added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings. The controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronised rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. This would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. Conspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. Other observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. Dr Seffen's research could help inform future building design.
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#694. To: Original_Intent (#653)
No! You don't mean it!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. AWESOME! Are you saying, therefore, you failed kindergarten because ... so far ... thread after thread after thread... you can't conform anything based on fact.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
LOL! One of the reasons buck wound up on ye olde clown filter, all that lying about "winning" when he has done nothing but take things out of context and say that up is down and black is white. We call that lying where I'm from.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Please give your degree back to whatever cracker box university you got it from, it isn't worth the paper it is printed on. The lower floors were not holding up the upper floors you moron! The central core was holding them up, which sustained very little damage.
God is always good!
And he needs to list any skyscraper he might have ever done a drawing for or anything. They would be more places to avoid.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... UDP is at a lower level of the stack... it involves no retransmissions based on packet errors .... it is fast because it is a lower layer. BUSTED, now I KNOW you are a LIAR. TCP stands for Transport Control Protocol, whereas UDP stands for Universal Datagram Protocol. IP stands for Internet Protocol. UDP is a connectionless protocol that simply broadcasts data packets to specified destinations, whereas TCP utilizes connections between two addresses and verifies data integrity. IP is a lower layer protocol which routes traffic between addresses regardless of upper layer protocol. TCP and UDP both reside in the Transport Layer of the OSI protocol stack, whereas IP resides in the Network Layer. Yeah, I failed kindergarten, just like you have a MSEE.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... Oh and BTW there Mr. MSEE, the very web browser you are using uses TCP/IP, where HTTP is the higher layer application protocol. when one rules out the improbable only the impossible is left and if they (the pushers of the official fairy tale) expect us to believe the impossibility that hanjour flew that plane then cough up the video of hanjour getting on that plane and the video of that plane hitting the pentagon. seeing how they won't because they can't, whether hanjour could fly or not is moot; as well if hanjour had a real commercial pilots license is moot.
Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks.. Crap? Public networks? Are you insane dude? Or do you think we all were just born yesterday? TCP/IP is used on MOST public networks everywhere in the freaking WORLD! It is merely a protocol for data communications, not crap. By the way, in America we don't put a 'k' on the end of public. Just thought you would like to know.
God is always good!
Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks Yeah, I guess the world is wrong and you are right... From Analysis of HTTP Performance problems BTW, did they teach you how to spell in college?
You asked about UDP vs. TCP.... now, you wiggle around HTTP ... my Gawd man... can't you shut the fuck up... as you don't know how to pose a question much less discuss any details.... However, this is a thread about the demolition theory of the WTC ..... and it is somewhat refreshing to see you know how to use Google to find a link.... and paste that data into a post here on a chit-chat channel. I must give you some credit, therefore........ ROTFL
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
They've had close to 9 years to cough up the videos that had clear unobstructed views of the alleged approach to the Pentagon and the impact, yet have not delivered.
Do you KNOW what HTTP is, Mr. MSEE?
My suggestion to you is that YOU STFU before you embarrass yourself further.
Are you insane dude? Or do you think we all were just born yesterday? TCP/IP is used on MOST public networks everywhere in the freaking WORLD! Oh, but Mr. MSEE bucko was totally unaware of that little fact... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, and you DID NOT know the difference, nor what either of them were.. ROTFL!!!!
Yes, they'd more than likely have "lower floors supporting the upper floors", and be wobbling just waiting for any horizontal force to exert some "tension" to bring them down.
Do you have any details about the demolition theory of the WTC beyond mere Internet speculation,innuendo, crap, BS, hear-say, who-dunnit based on a conspiracy website ... any of the following will do: who, what, when where and why ....... also include how. I am interested in a mathematical presentation of your conspiracy theory, as I performed (in a link @post#1) that supports your altered view from fact. Feel free to show any links or data to PROVE that demolitions were employed by anybody from around the world. You see, there is a problem with your viewpoint beyond the hyperbole, the suspicions and the doubts, you can't PROVE diddly-squat!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I guess with one of his Puff the Magic Dragon would come along and blow it down. The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus have retired from skyscraper demolition I think.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't need to converse with a proven liar. You lied about your credentials, where ANY halfwit familiar with networks KNOWS that the entire Internet is based upon TCP/IP, and any college graduate in Electrical Engineering would know where each part of that protocol pair reside in terms of the OSI stack. You appear to be totally clueless about the fact web browsers utilize HTTP (Hype Text Transmission Protocol) which USES TCP/IP in order to connect to websites. Yet you claim to have a MSEE, and specialize in high speed networks. You are TOTALLY BUSTED there bucko.
You are always off-topic, slimy. I gave the brief about the ACTUAL technical differentiation of TCP and UDP (which you asked for) ... not some irrelevant literal translation. ROTFL... As always pulling the thread off track because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
That has nothing to do with your original question... you asked the difference of UDP and TCP ... not HTTP... You can't even stay on track of your own silly questions.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You stated that UDP is at a lower layer than TCP, which is flat out wrong. You did NOT provide ANY definition of either one, and neglected to answer where IP resided in terms of the protocol stack, and where TCP resided. You were partially right about UDP not requiring retransmission, although that is not ALWAYS true as there are confirmation of delivery algorithms which can detect whether a packet has been received or not, and retransmit if necessary. You also suggested that both TCP/IP and UDP/IP are "crap", and not used on public networks, where the entire Internet utilizes IP, and TCP/IP is the most common of all protocols, an example of which is that web browsers use it for their communications between client and web site.
You stated that TCP/IP is a "crap" protocol which is not used on public networks, where HTTP USES TCP/IP. HTTP is what web browsers such as Internet Explorer and Firefox use for their communications between the PC and a remote website.
I just handed you your ass, now you're claiming victory. How surprising...
Here is my post based on your question, genius: Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... UDP is at a lower level of the stack... it involves no retransmissions based on packet errors .... it is fast because it is a lower layer. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You can't read, FL. Have you ever tried using your browser capabilities to increase the font size for your viewing pleasure?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Sure .. if you use that crap for publick networks... UDP is at a lower level of the stack... it involves no retransmissions based on packet errors .... it is fast because it is a lower layer. Well there Mr. MSEE, UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP, so you are not only wrong, but are lying about being an expert in network communications, and the idea of you having a MSEE is a joke. And you DID imply that BOTH TCP/IP and UDP/IP are "crap".
Take your own advice pal. Here are my original questions, I'll even mark them in bold so that you can see them better; If you're so educated on networks, can you tell me what the difference is between TCP/IP and UDP/IP? What part of the protocol stack does the TCP component reside, and where does the IP component reside?
That is not true... just as the entire model of the stack is not implemented in reality. Look,,,, create a thread about stacks... invite me. Lets review your question there. This thread is not about UDP or TCP or HTTP ... or proprietary Internet stuff for transmission protocol. This thread is about the demolition theory of the WTC...... can you stay on topic?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It was Adam and Eve that ate the apple just after God stole a rib....
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You: That is not true... just as the entire model of the stack is not implemented in reality. LIE. TCP and UDP are BOTH located in the OSI Transport Layer. They reside on TOP of the Network Layer, which is where IP (Internet Protocol) resides.
Admit that you lied, you do NOT have a MSEE, and at most you install and service wall plugs or replace modems for some provider such as Verizon.
Why are you fucking around? Of course they are. So what? Many posts ago I gave you the technical difference of them, too. Not some literal content that you happened to find somewhere. So, because you have continuously lost every post you make on this thread and others based on true research and discovery ... you want to argue about the OSI model, now? On a thread about the demolition theory of the WTC? What are you a FULL_FLEDGED_FUCKING_ASSHOLE?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh and BTW, what I posted are widespread and widely known basic facts about network protocols, details of which are published in the form of RFC's for ANYONE who desires to implement firmware, software, or hardware dealing with networks.
I would like to see him admit that too, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
God is always good!
You have continuously retracted your lies to me... thread after thread ... post after post. You should backoff, FL..... I have no axe to grind with you.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
A staff of owner/operators of a flight school, whose livelihood depends on making sure aircraft renters have valid FAA certification, trumps your anonymous internet k00kblather.
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OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#695. To: FormerLurker (#693)
My credentials are irrelevant when what I say can be easily confirmed by any freshman year textbook in physics.
#696. To: FormerLurker (#654)
(Edited)
Oh that's right buck, YOU didn't personally post anything about Eager, it was your butt buddy AGAviator who did, and each time he did, you would publically felate him and declare victory.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#697. To: buckeroo (#677)
The impact of the aircraft seriously weakened about 6 floors around the adjacent impact (81st and 96th floors) therein causing the upper floors to fall because of the lack of support.
#698. To: FormerLurker (#671)
Please list any bridges or anything you've had a hand in, I'll make sure I avoid them at all costs.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#699. To: buckeroo, ALL (#692)
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#700. To: buckeroo (#695)
AWESOME! Are you saying, therefore, you failed kindergarten because ... so far ... thread after thread after thread... you can't conform anything based on fact.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#701. To: RickyJ (#687)
I highly doubt he is a college graduate engineer, he probably means a certificate he got for attending a "Sanitation Engineering" class mandated by the company he use to work for
before he got a job being a stooge on the Internet.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#702. To: buckeroo, ALL (#692)
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#703. To: FormerLurker (#592)
Hanjour didn't just hijack the plane over Washington and dive it into the Pentagon, he FLEW it from Ohio to Washington, descended into a precision turn, and FLEW it at treetop level for a mile or so at 400+ mph then effectively LANDED it without touching the ground, ie. he brought it down to 20 feet off the deck while flying it at 530 MPH, and FLEW right into the Pentagon wall at ground level, with his nose level.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#704. To: buckeroo (#692)
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
#705. To: buckeroo (#692)
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
HTTP uses TCP as a transport layer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#706. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#702)
HTTP
#707. To: IRTorqued (#703)
when one rules out the improbable only the impossible is left and if they (the pushers of the official fairy tale) expect us to believe the impossibility that hanjour flew that plane then cough up the video of hanjour getting on that plane and the video of that plane hitting the pentagon. seeing how they won't because they can't, whether hanjour could fly or not is moot; as well if hanjour had a real commercial pilots license is moot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#708. To: buckeroo (#706)
You asked about UDP vs. TCP.... now, you wiggle around HTTP
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#709. To: buckeroo (#706)
can't you shut the fuck up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#710. To: RickyJ (#704)
Crap? Public networks?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#711. To: buckeroo (#706)
You asked about UDP vs. TCP
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#712. To: James Deffenbach (#698)
And he needs to list any skyscraper he might have ever done a drawing for or anything. They would be more places to avoid.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#713. To: FormerLurker (#709)
YOU STFU before you embarrass yourself further.
#714. To: FormerLurker (#712)
Yes, they'd more than likely have "lower floors supporting the upper floors", and be wobbling just waiting for any horizontal force to exert some "tension" to bring them down.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#715. To: buckeroo (#713)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#716. To: FormerLurker (#699)
TCP stands for Transport Control Protocol, whereas UDP stands for Universal Datagram Protocol.
#717. To: FormerLurker (#715)
You appear to be totally clueless about the fact web browsers utilize HTTP (Hype Text Transmission Protocol) which USES TCP/IP in order to connect to websites.
#718. To: buckeroo (#716)
I gave the brief about the ACTUAL technical differentiation of TCP and UDP (which you asked for) ... not some irrelevant literal translation.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#719. To: buckeroo (#717)
you asked the difference of UDP and TCP ... not HTTP...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#720. To: buckeroo (#716)
As always pulling the thread off track because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#721. To: FormerLurker (#719)
You stated that TCP/IP is a "crap" protocol which is not used on public networks, where HTTP USES TCP/IP.
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
#722. To: FormerLurker (#720)
#723. To: buckeroo (#721)
TCP/IP and UDP/IP?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#724. To: buckeroo (#722)
You can't read, FL. Have you ever tried using your browser capabilities to increase the font size for your viewing pleasure?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#725. To: FormerLurker (#723)
UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP
#726. To: FormerLurker (#724)
What part of the protocol stack does the TCP component reside, and where does the IP component reside?
#727. To: buckeroo (#725)
Me: UDP is NOT at a lower layer than TCP
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#728. To: buckeroo (#726)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#729. To: FormerLurker (#727)
TCP and UDP are BOTH located in the OSI Transport Layer.
#730. To: buckeroo (#725)
or proprietary Internet stuff for transmission protocol.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#731. To: FormerLurker (#728)
Admit that you lied, you do NOT have a MSEE, and at most you install and service wall plugs or replace modems for some provider such as Verizon.
#732. To: FormerLurker (#728)
#733. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#660)
It's ALSO obvious there IS no official record of Hanjour ever having a valid commercial pilot's license. That he had a piece of paper stating he did, according to reports, is NOT evidence that he did actually have one.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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