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Title: Mel Gibson is poised to quit the US after selling his mansion near New York.
Source: mail on line
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi ... elling-mansion-cut-price.html#
Published: Jul 18, 2010
Author: Sunday
Post Date: 2010-07-18 03:30:11 by Lysander_Spooner
Keywords: None
Views: 340
Comments: 19

Mel Gibson is poised to quit the US after selling his mansion near New York.

The disgraced Lethal Weapon star, who faces allegations of violence from his Russian former girlfriend, sold the mock Tudor property, known as Old Mill Farm, for £1637;million – £1037;million less than the asking price.

Show of support: Mel Gibson's ex-wife Robyn is defending him against the domestic violence allegations

Gibson has also put his Malibu home, Lavender Hill Farm, on the market for £1037;million, according to a property newsletter.

Oksana Grigorieva claims Mel Gibson punched her

He has told friends that he will move back to his native Australia with his ex-wife Robyn, who still supports him.

Gibson, 54, is ready to contest the allegations of Oksana Grigorieva, 40, who claims he punched her and hurt their baby, Lucia, in a drunken rage in January.

A source close to the family said: ‘Oksana’s allegations have united Mel and Robyn and this move is her idea.

More... Timothy Dalton lands a supporting role in the Mel Gibson scandal by visiting his former lover Oksana in LA

‘She is shocked and furious at this woman’s lies and their seven children are shocked.

‘Robyn has never seen a violent side to him.

‘She has persuaded him that he needs to get away from Hollywood and find peace on his ranch and she will go with him along with some of the children.’

A friend of Miss Grigorieva said: ‘Oksana has done nothing but tell the truth.’

Gibson and Robyn divorced last year just weeks after he was pictured for the first time with Miss Grigorieva.

A spokesman for Gibson declined to comment.

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Mel Gibson has been one of my favorite actors since he did the Mad Max movies, great stuff.

The russian woman likely forged the tapes and punched her self in the face to ruin Gibson and extort his property. She knows the American Just Us system well, and probably learned it well with the help of her U'merican goilfriends and counsel. This has become acceptable behavior in our U'merican culture seething with angst against successful productive males, who in fact are responsible for building Western Civilization and attempting to retain the remnant of true culture in our present society, which is in tatters. In the not too distant past the Ruskie would have been thrown in a ditch and Gibson would have been awarded full custody of his child with her. Oh, how times have changed for the worse.

I, personally salute Mel Gibson, his ex-wife, and their seven children for taking the decision to get out of the USA, it is fast becoming a clusterf*ck conflagration.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-18   3:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm half suspicious about the whole mess, not following it closely, for the simple reason of distrust of the Russian girl.

Hope it works out for Gibson. I think he p.o.'d a lot of Hollywoooood types.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-07-18   6:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't doubt if she's an ADL agent sent to set him up....they have offices in Russia... Moscow, I think...that might explain why she's not being charged with wiretapping [although I haven't read the Examiner story yet.] The ADL has been tapping all our phones for years. [edit: with full approval of the Judeo-British Corporation that passes as "government", I might add.]

edit again.

He and Robyn and the kids better watch their backs in Australia. I have read the Jews have taken over Australia, too. The website owner at loveforlife.com.au has been harrassed by them, and claims the Jews consider it "their promised land". Of course they think the whole world is their promised land, when in fact, they are cursed by God in Isaiah 65:15. Their crucifixion of Christ and the murder of tens of millions of His followers haven't diminished the curse. [Matthew 23]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   7:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The ADL has been tapping all our phones for years.

You are a nut job.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-18   8:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The ADL has been tapping all our phones for years.

You are a nut job.

you're right....my mistake...it was "Israel" that's been tapping our phones :}

EXCERPT; ADL MENTIONED. [MUCH MORE, WITH LINKS, AT URL BELOW (Good Luck finding any that haven't gone down the "memory hoole")]:

"THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL The Story That Will Not Go Away

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.

Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities The DEA report on Israeli spies that triggered the scandal.

OVERVIEW

"Israel does not spy on the United States of America." -- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington

Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year. Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon.

What Israel has done in return was to set up government subsidized telecommunications companies which operate here in the United States. One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone's activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers.

Let us be clear here. There is nothing benign about Israel spying on the United States. When Jonathan Pollard stole our nuclear secrets (which your taxes paid to develop) and sent them to Israel, Israel did not hesitate to trade those secrets to the USSR in exchange for increased emigration quotas.

The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself.

This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the FBI to cease the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside the White House itself!

So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action. This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America.

That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, and of phone taps on all of our phones. They are downplaying it. Actually, burying it is a better word.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.

Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.

The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.

But they are not. The media is trying to bury this story. They are spiking it, erasing it from their web sites in a chilling real-life Orwellian rewriting of history.

The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for.

The actions of the US media are those of traitors to the American people.

04/3/02 Bullock, ADL spy This shows just how deeply entrenched Israeli spies are in our society, and the degree to which they spy on just about every aspect of Americans' lives. Bullock even spied on Jews who did not agree with Israel's policies. And these are the guys the US Government is protecting when they classify the evidence that links Israeli spies who have already been arrested to the events of 9-11.

04/1/02 Story of one company that had inside access to every airport used by the 9-11 hijackers and Richard Reid the shoe bomber.

04/5/02 More on the Mossad

04/6/02 Israel tries to buy Pollard silence Pollard is a constant reminder that, yes indeed, Israel DOES spy on the United States

04/6/02 Israel granted Pollard citizenship while he was in jail for espionage for Israel

04/7/02 AfroCubaWeb's page on the Israeli Spy Ring.

04/13/02 Collection of links to stories about the Israel Spy Ring and why the mainstream media is so eager to make it go away.

04/16/02 ADL Spy Networks Exposed in San Francisco

04/23/02 Israeli spies exposed! "The nation's most prominent Jewish newspaper, the New York-based Forward, also has confirmed portions of the vast spying network -- although stating that the Israelis were monitoring Arabs in the United States" In our Federal Buildings???

04/26/02 ADL found guilty of spying by California Court ADL engaged in extensive domestic spying operations on vast number of individuals and institutions around the country.

05/1/02 ADL spied on US Citizens and stole FBI files!

04/4/02 RESPONSE FROM US SENATOR STABENOW TO INQUIRY ABOUT THE ISRAELI SPY RING Senator Stabenow received $20,000 from pro-Israeli lobbies during the 1999-2000 election cycle.

04/2/02 Congress Must Investigate Israeli Spies in America See how much CASH Congress gets from Israeli lobbies HERE. Of course, the Israeli lobbies get that cash from YOUR tax money sent to them by that same Congress every year, which makes this whole thing a kickback operation.

04/1/02 How the ADL ran a spy operation inside the San Francisco Police Department

04/1/02 Israel's Undercover Assassins

03/31/02 Overview of Israelis arrested for celebrating the collapse of the WTC. Search for "September 11, 2001". Note that some of the arrested men were confirmed Mossad.

03/31/02 Coded messages indicate Mole inside the White House on 9-11 If you were a foreign power staging a fake terror attack to blame on a third party, you would want to throw the leadership into confusion while it was happening, wouldn't you?

03/31/02 True scale of Pollard's spying

03/30/02 Administration makes first moves against Israeli spies. Attorney General John Ashcroft ordered the suppression of news coverage.

03/07/02 Huge collection of links on the Israeli spy ring. Why does the US Government continue to cover up their existence and classify the evidence that links the Israeli spies to 9-11?

04/4/02 Murder of Policewoman was Mossad operation blamed on the Libyans See Lavon affair. This type of operation is the stock in trade of the Mossad. Kill or bomb, then blame someone else to anger the world against them.

04/3/02 Part 2 of the story of the ADL's spy ring inside the San Francisco Police Department.

04/1/02 Part 1 of the story of the ADL's spy ring inside the San Francisco Police Department

04/3/02 Story of the Israeli Spy Ring on CounterSpin It's bad enough that the US Government supports the genocide of the Palestinians at the hands of the invading Israeli Army, but to classify the evidence that links the Israeli spies to 9-11 in order to keep it secret from the American people raises disturbing questions of just how much the US Government was complicit in those same activities.

04/4/02 Dallas Morning News: "political considerations may end up protecting the culprit's identity." That's because the prime suspect isn't an Arab and all indications that pointed to Arabs were a deliberate frame-up.

04/4/02 CIA operating in Bethlehem Play Tristana Moore's video. The report of CIA is about 2 min 45 seconds in.

03/14/02 Latest spin: "All right, there really IS an Israeli spy ring, but they were only spying on the Islamics, okay?" Which is why the spies were trying to peddle their paintings inside US Government buildings, right?

03/28/02 MOSSAD AGENT CAPTURED IN GERMANY English translation HERE.

03/14/02 Still more nations pick up story of Israeli spy ring in the US

03/22/02 Story of Israeli spy ring continues to spread on the internet. Mainstream media's reaction continues to be, "Spies? What spies? Wouldn't you really rather look at the latest fashions from whatsisname?"

03/22/02 Paul Findley on Israeli spying in the US. You're going to love the story about Hawaii

03/22/02 Arrested Israelis suspected of terror connection allowed to leave US. Third item from bottom. A photo of one of the mall booths, with a "closed" sign following the arrest of the Israelis, is HERE

03/22/02 Israel tries to silence Victor Ostrovsky, demonstrates once again how much control they exert over western media

03/22/02 The Israel Terrorist State and its Mossad Assassins

03/22/02 Israel releases prisoners in deal for captured Mossad agents.

03/22/02 Israelis get inside jobs for "Homeland Security" Which means that when the next Lavon Affair is staged, the Mossad will be able to walk right past all the security we think we have to carry out their plans. This is what happens when the Government of the United States is more concerned with mideast oil than with the security of the nation itself. ............."

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring2.html

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So far, I have found one [found in the memory hole and posting it for posterity's sake]:

Fox News: Israeli Spyring
May 28, 2003 - 11:36
USAJewry, "Israel", Zionism...
Filed under: USA | Jewry, "Israel", Zionism...

It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc., the company which subcontracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a “back door” into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again.

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BRIT HUME, HOST: It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work.

Now Fox News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part series.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.

Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that's been compiling evidence since the mid '90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say, "may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity."

The first part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and Bazala Academy. They repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel, the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.

Documents say they, "targeted and penetrated military bases." The DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned, "stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept and or explosive ordinance units."

Another part of the investigation has resulted in the detention and arrests of dozens of Israelis at American mall kiosks, where they've been selling toys called Puzzle Car and Zoom Copter. Investigators suspect a front.

Shortly after The New York Times and Washington Post reported the Israeli detentions last months, the carts began vanishing. Zoom Copter's Web page says, "We are aware of the situation caused by thousands of mall carts being closed at the last minute. This in no way reflects the quality of the toy or its salability. The problem lies in the operators' business policies."

Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.? A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

A defense intelligence report said Israel has a voracious appetite for information and said, "the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every possible facet of their political and economical policies. It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target."

The document concludes: "Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy here in Washington issued a denial saying that any suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the U.S. is "simply not true." There are other things to consider. And in the days ahead, we'll take a look at the U.S. phone system and law enforcement's methods for wiretaps. And an investigation that both have been compromised by our friends overseas.

HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CAMERON: It's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote.

HUME: Going into the fact that they were spying on some Arabs, right?

CAMERON: Correct.

HUME: All right, Carl, thanks very much

60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation.

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 2

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BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on the approximately 60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S. investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on Arabs in this country, and may have turned up information on the planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on.

Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the U.S., we learn about an Israeli-based private communications company, for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked. American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeded the Sept. 11 terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone. How?

By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What city and state, please?

CAMERON: Here's how the system works. Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and billing in the U.S. are done for the phone companies by Amdocs Ltd., an Israeli-based private elecommunications company.

Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and more worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

In recent years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that in 1999, the super secret national security agency, headquartered in northern Maryland, issued what's called a Top Secret sensitive compartmentalized information report, TS/SCI, warning that records of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands – in Israel, in particular.

Investigators don't believe calls are being listened to, but the data about who is calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdocs memo to senior company executives suggests just how Amdocs generated call records could be used. “Widespread data mining techniques and algorithms.... combining both the properties of the customer (e.g., credit rating) and properties of the specific ‘behavior….’” Specific behavior, such as who the customers are calling.

The Amdocs memo says the system should be used to prevent phone fraud. But U.S. counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the N.S.A has held numerous classified conferences to warn the F.B.I. and C.I.A. how Amdocs records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by the Argon national lab was used to show that if the phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible.

Another briefing document said, "It has become increasingly apparent that systems and networks are vulnerable.…Such crimes always involve unauthorized persons, or persons who exceed their authorization...citing on exploitable vulnerabilities."

Those vulnerabilities are growing, because according to another briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs for high-tech equipment and software. "Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.... We buy rather than train or develop solutions."

U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved in a misuse of information, and Amdocs insists that its data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about, however, is the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the wrong hands, particularly organized crime. And that would not be the first thing that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles, in which telephone information, the type that Amdocs collects, was used to "completely compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEO and the LAPD."

We'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead – Brit.

HUME: Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on those 60 Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that they may have picked up information on the 9/11 attacks ahead of time and not passed it on.

There was a report, you'll recall, that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, did indeed send representatives to the U.S. to warn, just before 9/11, that a major terrorist attack was imminent. How does that leave room for the lack of a warning?

CAMERON: I remember the report, Brit. We did it first internationally right here on your show on the 14th. What investigators are saying is that that warning from the Mossad was nonspecific and general, and they believe that it may have had something to do with the desire to protect what are called sources and methods in the intelligence community. The suspicion being, perhaps those sources and methods were taking place right here in the United States.

The question came up in select intelligence committee on Capitol Hill today. They intend to look into what we reported last night, and specifically that possibility – Brit.

HUME: So in other words, the problem wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details?

CAMERON: Quantity of information.

HUME: All right, Carl, thank you very much.

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BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on an Israeli-based company called Amdocs Ltd. that generates the computerized records and billing data for nearly every phone call made in America. As Carl Cameron reported, U.S. investigators digging into the 9/11 terrorist attacks fear that suspects may have been tipped off to what they were doing by information leaking out of Amdocs.

In tonight's report, we learn that the concern about phone security extends to another company, founded in Israel, that provides the technology that the U.S. government uses for electronic eavesdropping. Here is Carl Cameron's third report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The company is Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-run private telecommunications firm, with offices throughout the U.S. It provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement. Here's how wiretapping works in the U.S.

Every time you make a call, it passes through the nation's elaborate network of switchers and routers run by the phone companies. Custom computers and software, made by companies like Comverse, are tied into that network to intercept, record and store the wiretapped calls, and at the same time transmit them to investigators.

The manufacturers have continuing access to the computers so they can service them and keep them free of glitches. This process was authorized by the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA. Senior government officials have now told Fox News that while CALEA made wiretapping easier, it has led to a system that is seriously vulnerable to compromise, and may have undermined the whole wiretapping system.

Indeed, Fox News has learned that Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were both warned Oct. 18 in a hand-delivered letter from 15 local, state and federal law enforcement officials, who complained that "law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted."

Congress insists the equipment it installs is secure. But the complaint about this system is that the wiretap computer programs made by Comverse have, in effect, a back door through which wiretaps themselves can be intercepted by unauthorized parties.

Adding to the suspicions is the fact that in Israel, Comverse works closely with the Israeli government, and under special programs, gets reimbursed for up to 50 percent of its research and development costs by the Israeli Ministry of Industry and Trade. But investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Comverse is considered career suicide.

And sources say that while various F.B.I. inquiries into Comverse have been conducted over the years, they've been halted before the actual equipment has ever been thoroughly tested for leaks. A 1999 F.C.C. document indicates several government agencies expressed deep concerns that too many unauthorized non-law enforcement personnel can access the wiretap system. And the FBI's own nondescript office in Chantilly, Virginia that actually oversees the CALEA wiretapping program, is among the most agitated about the threat.

But there is a bitter turf war internally at F.B.I. It is the FBI's office in Quantico, Virginia, that has jurisdiction over awarding contracts and buying intercept equipment. And for years, they've thrown much of the business to Comverse. A handful of former U.S. law enforcement officials involved in awarding Comverse government contracts over the years now work for the company.

Numerous sources say some of those individuals were asked to leave government service under what knowledgeable sources call "troublesome circumstances" that remain under administrative review within the Justice Department.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counter terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and survey immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place – Brit.

HUME: Carl, is there any reason to suspect in this instance that the Israeli government is involved?

CAMERON: No, there's not. But there are growing instincts in an awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety of agencies who suspect that it had begun compiling evidence, and a highly classified investigation into that possibility – Brit.

HUME: All right, Carl. Thanks very much.

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TONY SNOW, HOST: This week, senior correspondent Carl Cameron has reported on a longstanding government espionage investigation. Federal officials this year have arrested or detained nearly 200 Israeli citizens suspected of belonging to an "organized intelligence-gathering operation." The Bush administration has deported most of those arrested after Sept. 11, although some are in custody under the new anti-terrorism law.

Cameron also investigates the possibility that an Israeli firm generated billing data that could be used for intelligence purpose, and describes concerns that the federal government's own wiretapping system may be vulnerable. Tonight, in part four of the series, we'll learn about the probable roots of the probe: a drug case that went bad four years ago in L.A.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Los Angeles, 1997, a major local, state and federal drug investigating sours. The suspects: Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, Miami, Las Vegas, Canada, Israel and Egypt. The allegations: cocaine and ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card and computer fraud.

The problem: according to classified law enforcement documents obtained by Fox News, the bad guys had the cops’ beepers, cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to avoid arrest.

"This compromised law enforcement communications between LAPD detectives and other assigned law enforcement officers working various aspects of the case. The organization discovered communications between organized crime intelligence division detectives, the FBI and the Secret Service."

Shock spread from the DEA to the FBI in Washington, and then the CIA. An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement documents, concluded, "The organization has apparent extensive access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and biographical information."

When investigators tried to find out where the information might have come from, they looked at Amdocs, a publicly traded firm based in Israel. Amdocs generates billing data for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks. The company denies any leaks, but investigators still fear that the firm's data is getting into the wrong hands.

When investigators checked their own wiretapping system for leaks, they grew concerned about potential vulnerabilities in the computers that intercept, record and store the wiretapped calls. A main contractor is Comverse Infosys, which works closely with the Israeli government, and under a special grant program, is reimbursed for up to 50 percent of its research and development costs by Israel's Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Asked this week about another sprawling investigation and the detention of 60 Israeli since Sept. 11, the Bush administration treated the questions like hot potatoes.

ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I would just refer you to the Department of Justice with that. I'm not familiar with the report.

COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained. With respect to why they're being detained and the other aspects of your question – whether it's because they're in intelligence services, or what they were doing – I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CAMERON: Beyond the 60 apprehended or detained, and many deported since Sept. 11, another group of 140 Israeli individuals have been arrested and detained in this year in what government documents describe as "an organized intelligence gathering operation," designed to "penetrate government facilities." Most of those individuals said they had served in the Israeli military, which is compulsory there.

But they also had, most of them, intelligence expertise, and either worked for Amdocs or other companies in Israel that specialize in wiretapping. Earlier this week, the Israeli embassy in Washington denied any spying against or in the United States – Tony.

SNOW: Carl, we've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and Colin Powell. What are officials saying behind the scenes?

CAMERON: Well, there's real pandemonium described at the FBI, the DEA and the INS. A lot of these problems have been well known to some investigators, many of who have contributed to the reporting on this story. And what they say is happening is supervisors and management are now going back and collecting much of the information, because there's tremendous pressure from the top levels of all of those agencies to find out exactly what's going on.

At the DEA and the FBI already a variety of administration reviews are under way, in addition to the investigation of the phenomenon. They want to find out how it is all this has come out, as well as be very careful because of the explosive nature and very political ramifications of the story itself – Tony.

SNOW: All right, Carl, thanks.

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   11:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America's alleys and eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself.

This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the FBI to cease the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside the White House itself!

So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action. This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America.

That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, and of phone taps on all of our phones. They are downplaying it. Actually, burying it is a better word.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.

Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.

The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.

But they are not. The media is trying to bury this story. They are spiking it, erasing it from their web sites in a chilling real-life Orwellian rewriting of history.

The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for.

The actions of the US media are those of traitors to the American people.

The FREETARD site is in on it too:

"Now You See It, Now You Don't A Note to My Readers by Justin Raimondo December 22, 2001

For the past week or so, I have been writing about the ominous implications of Carl Cameron's four-part Fox News exposé of Israeli intelligence operations in the US. My most recent column on the subject was posted today (December 21). Cameron's reports are, of course, key to understanding the context of these columns: without them, there is no way to understand either the context or the content of what I have written. We provided links to these reports in the column, and fully expected the links to remain valid, as Fox usually keeps its stories up for a month or so. But not this time….

The news that Fox had pulled the Cameron reports from its website was, to me, quite surprising. Now, it could be a technical glitch, a mistake, or whatever: after all, one assumes the Fox News people want visitors to their website, and the more the merrier – right?

Israel's amen corner in the US is vocal, well-organized, and not averse to censorship when it advances their agenda, and so outside pressure on Fox News to pull the series cannot be ruled out. As disturbing as it is to contemplate, it seems that censorship is indeed a strong possibility in this case – that is, Fox News is engaging in self-censorship, for reasons of its own.

Our readers may wish to ask questions for themselves, or protest. They can do so by writing foxnewsonline@foxnews.com or special@foxnews.com.

Meanwhile, we have redirected those links to the posted articles at FreeRepublic.com – and all I can say at this juncture is "Thank God for Free Republic!" – a place where the journalistic record is untouched and uncensored.

"Carl Cameron Reports – Some U.S. investigators believe that Israel is spying in and on the U.S. and may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11"

Check it out here!"

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Carl Cameron Reports - Some U.S. investigators believe that Israel is spying in and on the U.S. and

www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/589762/posts

This thread has been pulled.

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Not too long after I posted my comment #3 this morning, several blocks surrounding my house lost power, internet too. I'm sure it was just a coincidence, though.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   12:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action. This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America.

back to Mel Gibson......

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   12:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the following stories may be total b.s. ....I don't know....the part about him converting to Judaism doesn't ring true

Mel Gibson’s girlfriend revealed to be Jewish; actor/director offers to convert to Judaism

A little research into the family tree of Oksana Grigorieva, girlfriend of soon-to-be-divorcing actor/director Mel Gibson, reveals one startling detail.

Through her father’s side, Grigorieva is Jewish.

The Russian beauty’s paternal grandfather’s birthname was Davidov, a classic Russian-Jewish surname. It was later changed to Chernuha to avoid anti-Semitism.

Grigorieva is actually her mother’s surname.

“Learning [that I'm Jewish] is a very pleasant surprise,” Grigorieva said, adding she intends to become an observant Jew with her beliefs somewhere between conservative and reformed.

Gibson’s drunken anti-Semitic tirade made many in Hollywood wonder if he harbors any ill feelings toward Jews, especially since his father, Hutton, denies the existence of the Holocaust.

Does his girlfriend’s Judaism bother him?

“Not at all,” said a spokesperson for the actor. “Mel has even offered to convert to Judaism–if and when they make plans to marry.”

Gibson, a Roman Catholic, is currently divorcing his wife, Robyn, after more than 25 years of marriage.

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* Oksana Grigorieva Leans on Her Ex for Support, Claims She Didn’t

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Oksana Grigorieva Leans on Her Ex for Support, Claims She Didn't Release Tapes
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By PopEater Staff Posted Jul 17th 2010 08:05AM

Oksana GrigorievaAs the battle wages on for Mel Gibson and ex Oksana Grigorieva, she continues to claim she didn't release the explicit, racist-ridden tapes or the photo of herself with broken teeth.

"I didn't release anything and I'm not happy with the lies being spread," she told PEOPLE. "But when the court is done with the investigation, then I'll be able to talk."

For now, Grigorieva is reaching out to her ex, former James Bond actor Timothy Dalton and explains he's a good shoulder to lean on.

Dalton is the father of Grigorieva's 12-year-old son, Alexander and has been seen coming to her house, which is owned by Mel Gibson.

"We raise our son together," Grigorieva said. "He's a good father and they have a very good relationship."

TMZ reported earlier this week that Grigorieva used tapes of Gibson's explosive rants to attempt to extort him of more than $10 million.

The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department is investigating Gibson over an alleged domestic violence incidentinvolving his ex-girlfriend, Grigorieva. According to a news release, police have opened an inquiry into the alleged attack, which is dated Jan. 6, and are "currently gathering information regarding the allegations."

Grigorieva has already claimed the actor punched her in the face, knocking out her two front teeth, during an argument. Grigorieva also claims Gibson hit and bruised his baby daughter -- and there are photos to prove it. According to RadarOnline, the images allegedly show baby Lucia with a bruise on her chin and are part of her sealed declaration to the court.

The pair broke up in April after dating for a little over a year. At the time, Grigorieva was quoted as saying, "We have split up, suddenly and recently ... Unfortunately, I cannot give you the reason. But you will find out everything quite soon."

http://www.popeater.com/2010/07/...icid=sphere_wpcom_inline/

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   12:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department is investigating Gibson over an alleged domestic violence incidentinvolving his ex-girlfriend, Grigorieva. According to a news release, police have opened an inquiry into the alleged attack, which is dated Jan. 6, and are "currently gathering information regarding the allegations."

Domestic Terrorism Conference Attracts Law Enforcement Personnel from Throughout California

Posted: April 2, 2009

More than 200 law enforcement personnel from throughout California attended ADL's all-day conference, "Domestic Terrorism: From Detection to Response," on March 24 at the Skirball Cultural Center in Los Angeles.

Participants included representatives of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies who gathered to learn tactics and procedures to counteract extremist activity.

The conference was co-sponsored by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD).......

Regional Director Amanda Susskind explained the importance of ADL's partnership with law enforcement to fight bigotry, racism and extremism and that ADL is "in a unique position to monitor, prepare in-depth reports, and track these trends.".....

ADL offers numerous resources to law enforcement including the Law Enforcement Agency Resource Network Web site, the nation's most comprehensive, constantly updated resource for information on extremist activity. In addition, ADL provides extremism and hate crime training workshops, a hate symbols data base, reports and publications on extremist groups and activity and a calendar of upcoming extremist events across the country.

www.adl.org/learn/adl_law...EARN_SubCat=Training_News

ADL LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING NEWS

www.adl.org/learn/adl_law_enforcement/default.htm

Police Departments are the corporate [ anticorruptionsociety.com...-government-is-a-company/ ] attack dogs for the Jews, their own internal security force, paid for by extorting the American people.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   13:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Mel Gibson has been one of my favorite actors since he did the Mad Max movies, great stuff.

The russian woman likely forged the tapes and punched her self in the face to ruin Gibson and extort his property. She knows the American Just Us system well, and probably learned it well with the help of her U'merican goilfriends and counsel. This has become acceptable behavior in our U'merican culture seething with angst against successful productive males, who in fact are responsible for building Western Civilization and attempting to retain the remnant of true culture in our present society, which is in tatters. In the not too distant past the Ruskie would have been thrown in a ditch and Gibson would have been awarded full custody of his child with her. Oh, how times have changed for the worse.

I, personally salute Mel Gibson, his ex-wife, and their seven children for taking the decision to get out of the USA, it is fast becoming a clusterf*ck conflagration.

Ditto.

Nothing has been the same for Mel since he did his The Passion of the Christ. He ticked off the Tribe and that is unforgivable.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-18   13:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the following stories may be total b.s. ....I don't know

maybe, maybe not. This may be total bs also, and don't really know the signifigance of, but I did read Rahm Emanuel's brother is Grigorieva talent agent. Peace.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-18   13:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Never trust a whore, Russian or otherwise.

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-18   14:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This may be total bs also, and don't really know the signifigance of, but I did read Rahm Emanuel's brother is Grigorieva talent agent. Peace.

sheesh....wouldn't that be something.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   14:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

good grief. your post #5 was the most outrageous & outstanding post. excellent info.thanks

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-18   14:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

good grief. your post #5 was the most outrageous & outstanding post. excellent info.thanks

lol, you're welcome! "cut and paste" to the rescue!

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-18   14:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

May I offer a friendly suggestion?

If you "bozo list" A K A Stone the quality and enjoyment of your 4um experience will improve noticeably!

I forgot he was even here humping people's legs until I saw your reply to him.

If enough people follow suit he'll go back to his own masturbatorium and heckle his two like minded circle jerk members....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-18   14:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have nooooo sympathy for Mel...none.... What did he expect playin suga daddy to a Russian trollop? What his wife does is her business, but I would never take the old fool back.

Julz  posted on  2010-07-18   16:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

U R an Uh'Merican girl? Would it make you happy if Mel were put in a cage? Sure you would never take him back, but I'm pretty sure you would be happy to hire a scum sucking thieving lawyer, steal half his property, not let him see his child and live a life of luxury because it is your right to rob. Uh huh right, cuz that's the Uh'Merican girl way, the Russian trollop has learned her lessons well from her Uh'Merican goils ?

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-07-19   9:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You inspired this article, which has gone 'mega viral'. Thanks! ;-) Did Israeli spies record and release the Mel Gibson audio tapes to the public?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-25   21:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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