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Title: Chicago cop who served in Afghanistan and Iraq has warning: Gang members are coming home with military training
Source: Chicago Sun Times
URL Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2506292,CST-NWS-graffiti18.article
Published: Jul 18, 2010
Author: FRANK MAIN
Post Date: 2010-07-18 16:21:27 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 311
Comments: 28

Being in a street gang is now forbidden for members of the U.S. armed forces. But you might not guess that if you were to visit U.S. military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to soldiers who have recently served there.

Jeffrey Stoleson, a Wisconsin corrections official, returned from Iraq in January with photos of gang graffiti on armored vehicles, latrines and buildings. Stoleson, a sergeant with a National Guard unit, was there for nine months to help the Army set up a prison facility outside Baghdad.

"I saw Maniac Latin Disciples graffiti out of Chicago," Stoleson said, adding that there was a lot of graffiti for Texas and California gangs, as well as Mexican drug cartels.

A Chicago Police officer -- who retired from the regular Army and was recently on a tour of Afghanistan in the Army Reserve -- said Bagram Air Base was covered with Chicago gang graffiti, everything from the Gangster Disciples' pitchfork to the Latin Kings' crown.

"It seems bigger now," said the officer, who previously served a tour in Iraq, where he also saw gang graffiti.

Now back in Chicago, the officer said he has arrested high-level gang members who have served in the military and kept the "Infantryman's bible" -- called the FM 7-8 -- in their homes. The book describes how to run for cover, fire a weapon tactically and do the "three- to five-second rushes" seen in war movies.

"It's scary," he said.

In 2006, Stoleson saw similar graffiti in Iraq during another tour of duty there. That year, the Chicago Sun-Times reported on gangs in the military -- and published several of Stoleson's photos of gang graffiti.

Congress eventually banned members of the military from belonging to street gangs. And last November, the Defense Department added the ban to its rules.

Spokesmen for the Army and Defense Department said they could not provide figures on how many soldiers have been thrown out of the military or otherwise disciplined as a result of gang membership.

Stoleson, who stressed he was not speaking for the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Army, said it appears the problem is worse than ever. He warned that soldiers who return to gang life back home are especially dangerous because they know military tactics that they can use against the police and the public -- as a Marine did in 2005 when he killed a police officer and wounded three others in a California ambush.

"Gang members are coming home now with one or two tours," he said. "Some were on the field of battle."

Civilian contractors in Iraq are part of the gang problem overseas, Stoleson said. He said he was involved in destroying a large quantity of drugs confiscated from U.S. contractors in Iraq.

Stoleson, who is a member of the International Latino Gang Investigators Association, said some police departments in California are now tracking whether gang members were in the military.

A second Chicago Police officer, who searches homes for drugs and guns, said gang members targeted by his team are sometimes current or former members of the armed forces. That becomes part of the team's pre-raid briefings because the suspect is an increased safety risk with military training, the officer said.

"We recently arrested a guy in the reserves for crack [cocaine]," the officer said. "He was a gang-banger."

Stoleson said that, on his previous tour in Iraq, he was friends with a soldier who associated with the Maniac Latin Disciples when he grew up in Chicago.

"We talked a lot about it. He said the military was the only way he could break free," Stoleson said.

But those aren't the people Stoleson worries about.

"My problem is the guys who go into the military to continue the lifestyle," he said.

T.J. Leyden, a former white supremacist, was one of those guys. He said he recruited fellow members of the Hammerskin Nation into the Marines when he was in the corps in the late 1980s and early 1990s and sent stolen Kevlar body armor and helmets to fellow skinheads back home.

"I wore white supremacist T-shirts, and I hung a swastika flag out of my barracks," said Leyden, who was kicked out of the Marines for drinking and fighting. "I hated America. The only reason I was a Marine was because they were the baddest of the bad."

Leyden, who lives in Utah now, said he quit the white-supremacy movement in 1996 because he was worried "my sons were becoming me."

He began working against the movement and founded Straight Talk Consulting, giving lectures to students and advising the FBI, the National Guard and other organizations about gangs in the military.

Leyden said his informants have told him that skinheads and street gangs are still entrenched in both the regular military and the National Guard.

"The military needs to wake up," he said.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-18   17:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

"I saw Maniac Latin Disciples graffiti out of Chicago," Stoleson said, adding that there was a lot of graffiti for Texas and California gangs, as well as Mexican drug cartels.

Is this supposed to surprise us?


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-18   17:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

I've got mixed feelings about this actually being a problem.

I believe there will be many, many more young guys trained who'll stand a better chance of teaming up on our side in any chaotic period.

I know I developed a better sense of patriotism after my service. You get some feeling of having more Vested Interest in our Nation.

At least I HOPE more young guys do the same.

Besides that, I was on the Ft.Hood Pistol Team for 14 mo. ;-)

ndcorup  posted on  2010-07-18   17:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ndcorup (#3)

Besides that, I was on the Ft.Hood Pistol Team for 14 mo.

Sweet.

Well done.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   17:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

This is not entirely new. There were reports during Desert Storm, nearly 20 years ago, that large gangs in certain big cities had actually encouraged a member or two to enlist so they could, in a few years, bring back the know-how and probably also the weaponry.

Shoonra  posted on  2010-07-18   17:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Shoonra (#5)

This is not entirely new. There were reports during Desert Storm, nearly 20 years ago, that large gangs in certain big cities had actually encouraged a member or two to enlist so they could, in a few years, bring back the know-how and probably also the weaponry.

I remember that. There were gang problems at Camp Humphries, ROK in the 90's.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-18   17:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: farmfriend (#2)

No. It's a well known issue.

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Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-18   17:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ndcorup (#3)

I've got mixed feelings about this actually being a problem.

I believe there will be many, many more young guys trained who'll stand a better chance of teaming up on our side in any chaotic period.

I agree one hundred percent. This cop is whining because he likes a submissive, compliant population and trained gang members threaten him.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-18   17:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra (#5)

This is not entirely new. There were reports during Desert Storm, nearly 20 years ago, that large gangs in certain big cities had actually encouraged a member or two to enlist so they could, in a few years, bring back the know-how and probably also the weaponry

Absolutely correct, save one thing. The gangs of twenty years ago were more like the Jets and the Sharks compared to these lethal, racist, killing machines that roam the streets virtually unchecked today. Would you believe I worked at a time when gangs were disbanded by beat cops by any means necessary, and the citizens of the affected communities loved us for it? Let these PC addled stuffed blue suits earn their pay checks and kick the crap out of the Bloods, Cripts & MS-13, by any means necessary. The nation will take a huge step back from insanity if they would.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-18   17:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Let these PC addled stuffed blue suits earn their pay checks and kick the crap out of the Bloods, Cripts & MS-13, by any means necessary.

Wont happen.

Too many "minorities' living in this country.

When a white guilter is set upon by a minority, his first call is for a cop to come to his rescue with a big cannon and shoot to kill.

by the way Landover will be fine.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   18:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

When a white guilter is set upon by a minority, his first call is for a cop to come to his rescue with a big cannon and shoot to kill.

WG'ers should be forced to dial 811 instead of 911 to ensure the offending minority gets a fair chance to relieve the WG'er of his property & his/her life if that is the perp's wish.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-18   18:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

It is no wonder the white guilters hate us, white trash country bumpkins.

We have five blacks in town, no jews, no beaners, few wops, one or two catholics, just run of the mill WASPs.

Did I mention we also have no police???? Nearest cop is 15 miles away, state police.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   18:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-18   18:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ndcorup (#3)

I know I developed a better sense of patriotism after my service. You get some feeling of having more Vested Interest in our Nation.

I experienced that, and it was sweet. That's why it's all the more painful to witness my country being taken from me and murdered. There's a new-type, weird- ass American out there today who regards folks like me as left-wing (good god!) and anti-American ! Worse yet.

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lod

Bub  posted on  2010-07-18   18:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#12)

We have five blacks in town, no jews, no beaners, few wops, one or two catholics, just run of the mill WASPs.

Did I mention we also have no police???? Nearest cop is 15 miles away, state police.

Heaven.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   18:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)

No. It's a well known issue.

I was being sarcastic but you are correct, it is a well known issue. Course I believe we went into Afghanistan to protect the drug trade.


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-18   18:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Bub, 4 (#14)

I'm not sure that I know what being an American means anymore.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   18:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#16)

poppies, pipelines, and profits (for some).

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   18:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#15)

Heaven.

The blacks are a father, white mother, four sons. The sons speak English, do well in school, in college or fully employed. Straight arrows all.

The wops snuck in when we were not looking, been here long time, intermarried so we are brothers.

I forgot, half dozen Japanese live here, big auto parts factory. Never see them socially, do not mingle. Do see them every day at local greasy spoon, eating spaghetti and yucking it up with local hill billies.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   18:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#19)

That sounds like about the perfect amount of diversity to me.

As I've often observed, you just can't be a f-up in a small town, or you'll get run by the good people there.

They have no use for them, and will let them know it by words and action.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   19:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#19)

Spoons are the mortar in the building blocks of community.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   19:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#21)

There is something that is NEVER mentioned about white trash small town America.

The people are a cohesive unit that does NOT aspire to climb to great heights by using or abusing his fellow man. Most of us have "enough", life is comfortable and that is satisfying.

It is the people that enough is never enough, whether it is wealth or power, that brings us wars and turmoil. Local hill billies have never tried to rule the world, just leave us alone in our sloth and misery, we are happy.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   19:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#12)

Did I mention we also have no police???? Nearest cop is 15 miles away, state police.

There's absolutely no need for cops in the hills. There's never a break in, no stolen cars, no ripped off pocket books, no thefts from stores, etc. Did I mention we're all white here and love guns? Funny how that works.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-18   19:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

Did I mention we're all white here and love guns? Funny how that works.

This morning I heard 4 loud shots close to my place. Did I dial 911, cower under the bed??? Heavens no.

Just one of the local farmers hunting varmints.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   19:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#22)

It is the people that enough is never enough, whether it is wealth or power, that brings us wars and turmoil. Local hill billies have never tried to rule the world, just leave us alone in our sloth and misery, we are happy.

It is the people that enough is never enough, whether it is wealth or power, that brings us wars and turmoil. Local hill billies have never tried to rule the world, just leave us alone in our sloth and misery oil and gas royalties, we are happy.

I would be happy also.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-18   22:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Lod (#25)

I would be happy also.

We were happy before.

The only thing that disrupts our lives are these never ending wars that the government insists we join.

Sixty years ago, all of a sudden the government knew who I was and that I was wanted. I tried to tell them I was hill billy trailer white trash, go looking for the educated ones.

They said the educated and connected did not want to go so I was taking their place, $72 a month, a bunk all my own and three attempts at food every day.

What a deal.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-18   22:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#2)

"I saw Maniac Latin Disciples graffiti out of Chicago," Stoleson said, adding that there was a lot of graffiti for Texas and California gangs, as well as Mexican drug cartels.

Is this supposed to surprise us?

Join The Army and be A Gang of One!

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-18   22:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#27)

Join The Army and be A Gang of One!

Tattoos included.


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-18   22:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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