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Title: How Can People Keep A Straight Face When They Claim To Believe This?
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Published: Jul 6, 2010
Author: David Ray Griffin
Post Date: 2010-07-18 20:30:00 by James Deffenbach
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Inexperienced Muslim hijackers, armed only with knives and box-cutters, took control of four airliners, then outfoxed the world’s most sophisticated air defense system, then used two of these airliners to bring three skyscrapers down (indeed, straight down, in virtual free fall), and then, almost an hour later - when the US air defense system would have been on highest alert - flew a third one, undetected, from the mid-west back to Washington DC, where – thanks to heroic piloting by a man who had never before flown an airliner and who was, according to the New York Times, known as a “terrible pilot,” incapable of safely flying even a tiny plane – this third airliner went through an extremely difficult trajectory (even too difficult for them, said some experienced airline pilots) in order to strike the first floor of the Pentagon – surely the most well-protected building on the planet – without scraping the Pentagon lawn.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
The plane crash also killed the auditors who were looking for the missing Pentagon trils ($). Between that and Wellstone's sunny day air crash it was obvious that the gods were smiling on BushCo and The Kosher Nostra. Perhaps we shouldn't question what is more and more appearing to be divine interventions.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
The "pilots" didn't have to know - and didn't bother to learn - how to launch or land or refuel or communicate with aviation authorities, and only needed to steer these planes into three of the largest and most conspicuous buildings on the North American continent. Heck, during WW2, the British Air Force was able to train pigeons to guide bombs to their targets.
at over 200mph faster than the planes top speed according to ntsb
__________________________________ But damn, one of them had to fly back from Ohio (the one that hit the Pentagram), a distance of some considerable distance. And the guy had no idea what he was doing. It's bs. It's not like they took over the planes a mile out from the buildings, they had to actually FLY the things. And they couldn't even fly Cessnas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Was it Mike Meyers (sp?) who played the "church lady" on SNL and was always saying "How convenient"?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. "The world was created in seven days, some master of ours created the universe and is pissed, so you better give money to him. Somebody threw plane parts out of a C-130 onto the Pentagon's lawn on 9-11" Cognitive dissonance is well documented trait in our species. The ramifications of it have not been addressed by any society that I am aware of. The obvious reason is it threatens established order, which is more and more appearing to be a cancer on America's humanity. It is a real problem.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yeah, if I didn't know (thanks to the shills on here) that the government never lies to us, would not do anything to hurt us and is always looking out for our best interests I might find that a bit strange and wonder about it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Stop reading government fables and educate yourself. Clueless Super-Pilot None of the hijackers were good pilots. None had ever flown jets, let alone large commercial jetliners. Hani Hanjour, the person accused of flying Flight 77 into the Pentagon, was failing his courses at the Arizona flight school. According to an employee, "He didn't care about the fact that he couldn't get through the course." 1 Rick Garza, a flight instructor at Sorbi's Flying Club, had this to say about the two alleged hijackers originally thought to have piloted Flight 77, Khalid al-Mihdar and Nawaq al-Hamzi: "It was like Dumb and Dumber, I mean, they were clueless. It was clear they were never going to make it as pilots." In the second week of August 2001, Hanjour had attempted to rent a small plane from an airport in Bowie, MD. Flight instructors Sheri Baxter and Ben Conner declined his request, after taking Hanjour on three test runs, noting he had trouble controlling and landing the Cessna 172. Though Hanjour had attended a flight school in Scottsdale, AZ, for four months in 1996 and 1997, he never completed the coursework for a single-engine aircraft license. 2 It is doubtful that the best trained fighter pilots could have executed the maneuver that supposedly crashed a 757 into the Pentagon. It required making a tight 320-degree turn while descending seven thousand feet, then leveling out so as to fly low enough over the highway just west of the Pentagon to knock down lamp posts. After crossing the highway the pilot had to take the plane to within inches of the ground so as to crash into the Pentagon at the first-floor level and at such a shallow angle that an engine penetrated three rings of the building, while managing to avoid touching the lawn. And he had to do all of this while flying over 400 mph. Quite a feat for a flight school flunky who had never sat in the cockpit of a jet! Flight Routes The four planes commandeered on September 11th either flew to their targets from distant airports, or flew hundreds of miles away from their targets before turning around. There are three international airports within five minutes flying distance from the World Trade Center. Yet the hijackers selected Flights 11 and 175 originating from Boston, 40 minutes away. Flight 77 took off from Dulles, just a few miles from its alleged target, the Pentagon. Yet the hijackers waited almost until the plane reached Kentucky before taking it over. Flight 93 took off from Newark. If the hijackers had taken it over shortly after takeoff, they could have reached Washington in about 30 minutes. Instead they waited until it was near Cleveland, Ohio, before turning it around. Anyone planning such an attack could easily find out, with just a modicum of research on the web, that standard operating procedures would lead to interception by a fighter jet within about 20 minutes of any airliner hijacked in the northeast corridor. By choosing originating airports over one hundred miles from their targets in three of four cases, and waiting for nearly a half hour in all four cases before taking over the flights, the perpetrators exposed the entire plot to certain interruption had the air defense system operated normally. The only plausible explanation is that the perpetrators were aware that the air defense system would be stood down. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Super planes, magickal jet fuel™ that burns hot enough to melt steel (and leave it molten for weeks on end). Tricky world we live in.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Damn, from the title, I thought it was a "making fun of religion" thread. Sadly...another 9/11 thread. Because that hasn't already been done. To death.
No reasonable person could ever believe the government's insane cover story. It's a non starter for lots of reasons.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I have no problem buying it.
I don't make fun of religion. Not my thing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Huh? You actually believe the government's insane conspiracy theory? Come on, you're pulling our legs.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
believe the government??? Of course not. However one has to be realistic. Once it expands beyond a few people, such an affair becomes impossible to contain. Therefore, when hundreds become complicit in the eyes of the doubters, the overall picture becomes so clouded the truth is never found.
From the same article: “Among scientists and professionals in the relevant fields who have studied the evidence, the weight of scientific and professional opinion is now overwhelmingly on the side of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Whereas well over 1,000 such people have publicly supported the stance of this movement, there are virtually no scientists or professionals in the relevant fields who have gone on record in defense of the official story---except for people whose livelihood would be threatened if they refused to support it. This caveat is important, because, as Upton Sinclair famously observed: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”162 Except for such people, virtually everyone who has expertise in a relevant field, and who has seriously studied the evidence, rejects the official conspiracy theory. It is time, therefore, for journalists and everyone else to take a second look.”163
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The Kosher Nostra. Yes, this must have been the fatwa on auditors because taking out the bean counters in the Pentagon really helped those Arabs. lol......
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Excuse me young lady, but do I detect a note of sarcasm here? Do you mean to say that you do not believe the tale of "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe're" free who consorted with whores, drank liquor, and lived near military bases where some of them were trained were not devout fanatical Muslims seeking their destiny in the call of Allah? Of course that was the most fiendish part of the plot - to fly completely around the Pentagon bypassing the direct approach which would have killed all those useless generals and admirals to then circle back at high speed and take out the bean counters looking for the missing 2.3 TRILLION which disappeared under the watchful eye of dual citizen Dov Zakheim. That way they could make everyone suspect that the 2.3 TRILLION which disappeared under the watchful eye of dual Israeli/American citizen Dov Zakheim was stolen for Israel.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Sir, are you suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job. Well, I never....
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Name calling is juvenile.
Yeah, ain't that some $#it!?!?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I have considered the possibility and concluded that that is the only option that makes sense. Two options within the possibility, MIHOP or LIHOP. But that bs about people who can't fly Cessna's all of a sudden becoming ace pilots and doing acrobatic stunts with heavy commercial airliners would be a deal breaker for me if nothing else was. Then there is their idiocy of pretending that a kerosene/office fire took down, not one, not two, but three steel-framed skyscrapers all on the same day. Granted, two of those were hit by airplanes but they were designed with that in mind since it had happened before.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. And the simple fact is that the Conspiracy was NOT contained. There were leaks from the git-go.
From day one, dozens of people that were nobodies were named as complicit in the affair, the janitor, street sweeper, anyone within sight, all were in on the deal. For instance, I think there were about 50 witnesses that saw the AA plane ram the Pentagon. All immediately became members of the plot and were lying. Well, where is the airplane and where are the people if they did not die in the Pentagon??? It gets to the ridiculous, so I never participate.
Moi? Sarcasm? lol There is no $2.3 trillion to see here Looky Lou......now move along.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
They could be anywhere. Thing is, the witnesses indicate there were TWO aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack, since there are two groups of witnesses. One group saw an aircraft approach from a southerly path, whereas another saw an aircraft approach from a more northerly path. The official story places the approach from the southern path, whereas the damage reflects a more northerly path.
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#5. To: Shoonra (#3)
The "pilots" didn't have to know - and didn't bother to learn - how to launch or land or refuel or communicate with aviation authorities, and only needed to steer these planes into three of the largest and most conspicuous buildings on the North American continent.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#1)
The plane crash also killed the auditors who were looking for the missing Pentagon trils ($).
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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#8. To: Eric Stratton (#2)
... and with the film from every camera within viewing distance completely confiscated within minutes, including numerous with a clear wide angle view of the approach to the Pentagon, any "official" footage only being released five years post occurrence and clearly one of the worst angles amongst what were dozens of good angles that would have clearly shown the incoming jet.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#9. To: Shoonra (#3)
Jetliner Aerobatics by Flight School Dropout Who Never Flew a Jet
Hijackers Flaunt Air Superiority With Long Detours 
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#10. To: gengis gandhi (#4)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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#13. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#1)
The plane crash also killed the auditors who were looking for the missing Pentagon trils ($).
#21. To: abraxas (#20)
Yes, this must have been the fatwa on auditors because taking out the bean counters in the Pentagon really helped those Arabs.
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
New DVDs: Sheriff Mack, Meltup and Fluoride.
#23. To: wakeup (#22)
New DVDs: Sheriff Mack, Meltup and Fluoride.
#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)
Of course that was the most fiendish part of the plot - to fly completely around the Pentagon bypassing the direct approach which would have killed all those useless generals and admirals...
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#25. To: wakeup (#22)
Sir, are you suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#26. To: Cynicom (#18)
"Once it expands beyond a few people, such an affair becomes impossible to contain. "
#27. To: ndcorup (#26)
There were leaks from the git-go.
#28. To: Original_Intent (#21)
Excuse me young lady, but do I detect a note of sarcasm here?
#29. To: Cynicom (#27)
Well, where is the airplane and where are the people if they did not die in the Pentagon???
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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