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Title: Inmates say they witnessed man's death when jailers restrained, shocked him repeatedly
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URL Source: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15542359
Published: Jul 19, 2010
Author: Kirk Mitchell
Post Date: 2010-07-19 06:39:49 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 360
Comments: 34

Marvin Booker was a homeless pastor whose death at the Denver jail is being investigated.

Marvin Booker just wanted to get his shoes.

But deputies at the new Denver jail told him to stop. When Booker, who was being processed on a charge of possession of drug paraphernalia, didn't obey, he was held down, hit with electric shocks and then placed facedown in a holding cell, according to two inmates who watched it unfold.

Booker never got up. He was pronounced dead later that morning.

"I've never seen anything happen like that before in my life," said John Yedo, 54, who was being processed on a charge of destruction of property and said he witnessed the scene. "What I saw is not what you'd expect to see in America."

The two jail witnesses, who were both arrested in the early-morning hours of July 9 around the time Booker was being processed, were contacted and interviewed by The Denver Post separately. Both of them said they had not been questioned by police investigating the death of Booker, a homeless ordained minister who served the poor, but also a habitual criminal with a long string of arrests.

Capt. Frank Gale, spokesman for the jail, said he cannot comment on the ongoing investigation by the Denver Police Department and the Denver district attorney's office, and cannot confirm the inmates' accounts.

He said what happened at the Van Cise-Simonet Detention Facility would have been recorded on videotape.

"If in fact what they are saying is true, it should be reflected in the video," Gale said.

District attorney spokeswoman Lynn Kimbrough said she couldn't comment during the investigation, which could take several more weeks. The coroner's office is awaiting test results before completing the autopsy report and determining how Booker died, she said. In the meantime, the deputies involved in Booker's case are still on the job.

Yedo has had one prior arrest, in 1974 on a drug charge. Christopher Maten, 25, the other witness, was arrested in 2005 for public consumption of alcohol. Neither is a career criminal. The versions the two suspects tell are nearly identical.

"I can't breathe . . ."

Both say that Booker, 56, was asleep in a chair in a holding area of the jail when his name was called and he was ordered to a processing desk.

Half-asleep about 3 a.m., Booker walked to the desk in his socks, forgetting to put on his shoes. The female deputy ordered Booker to sit in a chair in front of the desk.

Booker responded that he wished to stand. When the deputy threatened to have him placed in a holding cell if he didn't sit, Booker told her he would go to the holding cell, said Maten, who had been arrested that morning for resisting arrest in a confrontation with a parking-meter attendant.

" 'Let me get my shoes,' " Maten quoted Booker as saying as he walked toward the chairs to get his shoes.

The deputy yelled at him repeatedly to stop, got up and followed Booker. Booker turned and repeated that he was getting his shoes, Maten said.

The deputy grabbed Booker by the arm and put a lock on him, Yedo said. Booker, who was 5 feet 5 and weighed 175 pounds, pushed her away. At that point, four other deputies wrestled Booker to the concrete floor. They slid down two steps to the floor in the sitting area. Yedo said the deputies each grabbed a limb while he struggled.

" 'Get the Taser. Get the Taser,' " Yedo quoted one of the deputies as saying.

Yedo said he was only about 3 feet away, and Maten said he was close enough that if he stood and took one step, he could reach out and touch one of the deputies.

None of the deputies involved in the restraint has been identified. One female deputy was treated at a hospital for an injury she suffered in the confrontation, Gale said.

A fifth deputy put Booker in a headlock just as the female deputy began shocking him with a Taser with encouragement from one of the deputies, who kept repeating, "Probe his ---," Maten said. He could hear the Taser crackle repeatedly.

Booker said, "'I can't breath . . .," Yedo heard. Then, Booker went limp.

Booker's wrists were handcuffed behind his back in an awkward position when the deputies picked him up, each holding an arm or a leg, and carried him stomach-down to a holding cell with an unbreakable glass door.

They set him down on his stomach, with much of his weight on one shoulder and his legs bent, Yedo said. They took the handcuffs off and without checking his pulse, the officers left him on the floor of the holding cell.

The deputies walked away high-fiving and laughing, Maten said. Several inmates were saying, " 'I can't believe they're doing this,' " Maten said.

Yedo said he stared at Booker, watching his chest, which wasn't moving. One deputy had stayed next to the cell and was also staring at Booker.

"I told the guy, 'Hey, that guy is not breathing,' " Yedo said.

The deputy turned and yelled at the sergeant.

" 'Sergeant, come here. Sergeant, hurry,' " Yedo said he yelled.

Channeling MLK

Booker was the son of a prominent Tennessee pastor, Benjamin Booker. The habitual criminal was arrested in Denver mostly during the 1980s and 1990s for disorderly conduct, trespass, loitering, disturbing the peace, carrying a concealed weapon and threatening assault.

In 2007 and 2008, he was homeless in downtown Memphis, said friend Dennis Lynch of Memphis. Booker often volunteered to work in soup kitchens.

He wrote a book about Martin Luther King Jr., and he sold it on the streets of Memphis, usually to tourists who heard him recite King's famous "I have a dream" speech. When he spoke, crowds of tourists gathered.

"If you closed your eyes, you would think you were in the presence of Martin Luther King," said Memphis Pastor Andrews R. Smith. "People would cry. He was always smiling. His eyes would just shine like a chipmunk."

Booker often accompanied him when he made rounds in downtown Memphis, handing out food to the homeless. They all called him "Martin" because of his speeches.

"Marvin is such a kindhearted person," Smith said. His sweet demeanor makes the circumstances of his death seem suspicious, he said.

When Memphis police cracked down on panhandling, Booker returned to Denver, Lynch said. George Booker, Booker's cousin, said that recently his cousin was volunteering to help the homeless at Denver churches and was trying to turn his life around.

Booker's funeral was Friday at Cathedral of Faith Community Church, the Memphis chapel where his brother C.L. Booker is the pastor. More than 200 people attended the service, in which his father gave the eulogy, Smith said.

Kirk Mitchell: 303-954-1206 or kmitchell@denverpost.com

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

a homeless ordained minister who served the poor, but also a habitual criminal with a long string of arrests.

Getting ordained is easy and free. I'm an ordained minister. www.themonastery.org/?destination=ordination

Did he use their services? Who knows. But it is easy to do.

He should not have pushed that deputy. Being in custody is not the time to resist. My guess is that the autopsy will show his death to be drug related.

"Marvin is such a kindhearted person,"... His sweet demeanor ... volunteering to help the homeless ... was trying to turn his life around.

Yeah right. I'm surprised they didn't say he was an "aspiring" (c)rapper. It's all boilerplate.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   7:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   8:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   8:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#1)

My guess is that the autopsy will show his death to be drug related.

Seeing how we're talking about Judeo-Masonic controlled Denver, home of the Denver Airport Murals, and western arm of the NWO, you're probably right.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-19   8:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, all (#3)

While I don't necessarily feel a whole lot of pity for true criminals, WTF's wrong with pig #1 saying, "Sure, go ahead and go get your shoes and come right back!?"

What's wrong with it? A lot. Perhaps JT would be in a better position to reply to that, but here's mine:

#1) YOu are in THEIR custody. You follow their rules. If you don't follow their rules, it is because you are not under their control. They will then forcefully put you under their control. You do not tell them what you are going to do.

That control is to prevent chimpouts. They are outnumbered and cannot afford anyone resisting them. The inmates do not run the asylum by telling the guards what's what.

What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. I have plenty to say and have already said about pigs. If they would concentrate on the real criminals and quit with their JBT ways, I'd have exactly no problems with them.

Law enforcement is needed because there are real scumbags out there that need to be dealt with. If they would confine themselves to dealing with them, then they'd get the respect they'd deserve.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   8:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   8:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#5)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   8:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

Bottom line: Five (5) cops killed a guy in jail PS.

You support that. I don't!

Relax. Breathe in....... and out...... in.........out.

Did they set out to kill him? No. They prevented a chimpout. The way I understand it, prisoners watch how guards deal with resistance. When an inmate has the gall to tell a guard what's what, and gets away with it, the other prisoners will immediately pick up on that. Then you have chaos.

I support them maintaining control of their prisoners and their facility. Lose control of that and see what happens...

It will be interesting to see what the video shows.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   8:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA (#8)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   9:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

Tell me this: How does one control not-so-decent animals by being "decent" (as I think you mean it) to them? You can be professional. But if you try and be "decent" with them, they'll use that against you.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   9:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#1)

I'm an ordained minister

lmao!! you just made my day. thanks for sharing that. you know we could have some fun with that? have a good day, reverand! oh almost forgot. pigs get away with such murders too often. have you heard the story of leroy johnson in pasadena, ca? if not, look it up.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-19   9:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#10)

no. eric is right. just the notion that they'd have to use a tazer in this situation is ludicrous. a feeble homeless guy wandering to get shoes, of course he has to obey jailer command, but they react with overkill, just like always, tazing little girls, elderly wheelchair bound, & retards.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-19   9:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ada (#0)

My guess is "Martin" will wake up in the promised land, and he will see his persecutors cast out. This story made me want to cry first thing this morning. This is not an isolated event, you can be sure. I know someone who has been in jail on trumped up charges, and he has witnessed prisoners being handcuffed to a chair and beaten, and similar atrocities. When we have the ADL [Mossad types] training law enforcement on how to deal with the enemy [we the people], what else should we expect? The "land of the free" has more than 2 milliion people incarcerated, more than Russia, more than China. We are the most incarcerated nation on earth. Why? Because we are all slaves to CorpUSA [ http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/you_are_all_slaves.htm ]. The so-called federal, state, and local governments, including the courts are all corporations [ http://anticorruptionsociety.com...-government-is-a-company/ ], and the more people they can incarcerate, the more money they make for themselves and their cronies in the prison-industrial complex:

OWNERS OF THE PRISON SYSTEM IN AMERICA

Profiteering off the prisoners / Prime stockholders in Correction Corp. of America / Funding Streams Exposed / Corporate Public Private Scheme Exploiting, Criminalizing Vulnerable People

http://www.freedom-school.com/money/prison_owners.htm

PRISON TREATISE, by Jean Keating

OCTOBER 10th 2004

The courts are operating under Statute Law. A “Statute” is defined in black’s 4th edition revised as a kind of bond or obligation of record, being an abbreviation for “statute merchant” or “statute staple.”.......

....some interesting things, regarding what is really going on in the courtroom. The court is looking for an acceptance and acceptor under 3-410 of the U.C.C. as the Principle has the primary obligation to pay or discharge any instrument presented for acceptance. Since they are presenting a Bill of Exchange [indictment] for acceptance. This is called an acceptance for honor, which involves a negotiable instrument especially a bill of exchange [indictment] that has been accepted for payment. The complaint, information, or indictment is a three party Draft, Commercial paper, or Bill of Exchange under Article 3 of the U.C.C. The Grand Jury Foreman is the Drawer or Maker of the Indictment by his signature, the Defendant/Debtor or Strawman is the Drawee and the State is the Payee and the live man is the Payor. What they are doing in the courtroom is all commercial, this is in conformity to 27 CFR 72.11, where it says all crimes are commercial. What the judge and prosecutor are doing in the courtroom is making a commercial presentment under section 3-501 (1) "Unless excused (section 3-511) presentment is necessary to charge secondary parties as follows":.......

http://www.freedom-school.com/law/prison_treatise.shtml

Killed over possession of "drug paraphernalia". BFD. Their vaunted "founding fathers" possessed it too, before the Corporation they created [The Covenant With Death http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/us-constitution.html ] stopped operating under "the law of the land" and began operating under "the law of the sea" [i.e., LAND PIRACY]. Picture George Washington and Thomas Jefferson treated like that. [Maybe that was a bad example; I hate to admit I've pictured all sorts of punishments for 'ol George, ever since I first read his papers about how he deemed it okay to violate the Articles of Confederation, and in particular when I read about how much he profited from putting down the Whiskey Rebellion...the man was a selfish scoundrel and a tyrant....even Thomas Paine agreed. The Judeo-Masons have hidden his true character, and manufactured one out of thin air, like they do with money. It would be with reluctance that I would defend his sorry arse against such an attack, but I would do it.]

We're nothing but a slave/prison colony of "The City" of London; and we've been that way for over 400 years. [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16, 17....29]. ....God is allowing it to "shake us" into accepting the covenant with Christ: [Ezekiel 20:33-38/Gal. 3:16-29].

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-19   10:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, 4 (#13)

Does anyone know how many death by pig incidents occur in this country each day?

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-19   10:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#10)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   10:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod (#14)

I don't. When I first started reading this article, I was trying to remember the name of that website that ran a running tally of police crimes each day... I just did a quick search. I thought it had gone down, but it looks like it's back up. Maybe you can find something here.

www.badcops.org/

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-19   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#15)

But the behavior of LE these days is pushing a nationwide "chimpout" and not limited to the areas that you imply.

True.

But until I see evidence, I don't link this incident to the bigger picture like you're trying to do.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   16:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Artisan (#11)

lmao!! you just made my day. thanks for sharing that. you know we could have some fun with that? have a good day, reverand!

Bless you, my child.

I know pigs murder. They also rape, batter, assault, have child porn, screw 14y/o little girls, commit incest, steal, etc. And they stand a good chance of getting away with it.

But I'm not convinced that this is an example of murder.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   16:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA (#17)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   16:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

What that says is that we should understand when they treat us all like criminals from the get-go!

Sure. That's happened to me, more than once. They are the ones that come at me with the attitude, over piddly traffic shit like a busted light etc. And I just sit there and say "what the fuck?" I think they must be trained to act that way because it's universal from what I see. When I dont give it back to them, they settle down.

And as far as danger goes, my being a truck driver was more dangerous, according to statistics, than being a pig. They're pretty far down the list. They can't play the danger card and make it stick with those that know how to look up stats.

I want to see that video. I'm sure it will be released sooner or later. Then we'll see what happened. All I know is that the press is even quicker than we are when it comes to going after cops. Especially when the "victim" is a nigger.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-19   17:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#20)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   23:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#20)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-19   23:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Lucky you, being pulled over for something. I've been pulled over for absolutely nothing numerous times throughout my life. Or detained, or had friends treated like criminals for doing absolutely nothing or something so minor that it was laughable, and out of ignorance like accidentally taking a bottle of beer outside bar doors in a college town and instead of simply being told to go back inside, handcuffed and forced to walk a half-mile to the police station. Shit like that.

They leave me alone in rural/suburbran Ohio. Maybe you should move (actually started as a joke, ended up serious).

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-20   0:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#23)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   0:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#24)

9/11 was a real hoot around here. Everyone with a uniform and a badge was making plans for being seated at the right hand of God.

I was on the road when that happened. I got to see all the tards in a panic, trying to fill their cute little gas tanks one last time. As if there would never be another gallon of gas sold, ever. Dumbasses were in full blown panic autopilot mode.

When it really hits the fan, the idiots are going to be a real problem. Maybe more of a problem than the pigs are. Because they do stupid shit when in a panic.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-20   8:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA (#25)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   8:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

Stupid, tyrannical, what's the difference. Hopefully the two will eradicate each other and allow the "live and let live-ers" survive.

Agreed. That's what I'm hoping for too. But I'm prepared for the worst, as best as I can anyway.


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#28. To: PSUSA (#27)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   9:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eric Stratton (#29)

I don't know that this teambuilding will even be a factor.

What happens when the team owners power and influence collapses? WHat happens to their teams then? They no longer have a league to play in.

They know they are outnumbered and outgunned. I see them hunkering down and hoping against hope that the people they wronged leave them alone. Because their families can be targets too. Those that benefit from their JBT actions make themselves legit targets.

what we are beginning to see is the onset of seeming massive disorganization amongst TPTB.

I see the same thing. Their actions have consequences, and we are beginning to see those consequences. To me this is a natural law, like the law of gravity. You can build a aircraft that temporarily violates or rather overcomes that law, but sooner or later it's coming down.

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#31. To: PSUSA (#30)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   9:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eric Stratton (#31)

Agreed. They'll try it. They have the COG (continuity of government) plans already worked out. But IMO they leave out the human factor, because they have to. They don't know how people will react. They can only guess. People do strange things when under a lot of stress.

We outnumber them, and outgun them, to the point that them trying anything stupid would be the dumbest thing they could possibly do. Too many are watching and waiting for them to try it.

I no longer buy into the MSM illusion. That illusion attempts to portray people as caring only about "popular culture" topics. In real life, very few care about that crap.

I wonder if Lindsay Lohan is in jail yet. Poor Lohan. So cute, so stupid. /s

They give political "news" like people really care about politicians. People despise politicians. You see that occasionally, when they publish honest polls. But they still trot them out like the show ponies they are, like people give a flying fuck what they say.

There's a reason why so many don't bother with the MSM and they lost readers/listeners/watchers and $$$, and the internet, at the same time, increases readers looking for news. That is, imho, because the MSM is despised, in spite of them hyping themselves into thinking they are more important than they really are.

It's an illusion and they have a vested interest in keeping it going, to the point where they attack bloggers etc.

We have good reason to be optimistic.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-20   9:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#29)

And as to local LE, I actually expect that they'll come around.

with what appears to be a mass majority of the present john e laws they should not have a badge and a gun for the very same reasons they want to have a badge and a gun.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-21   12:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: IRTorqued (#33)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-21   13:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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