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Title: The 9/11 conspiracy plots thicken
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URL Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht ... /2003250424_911conspire09.html
Published: Sep 09, 2006
Author: Michael Powell, wapo
Post Date: 2010-07-19 22:23:35 by Dakmar
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They are politically diverse and include academics, ex-officials and Web surfers. All share a belief that the Bush administration played a role in the 9/11 attacks. Their numbers seem to speak to Americans' innate distrust of their government. The Washington Post NEW YORK — He felt no shiver of doubt in those first terrible hours. He watched the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and assumed al-Qaida had wreaked terrible vengeance. He listened to anchors and military experts and assumed the facts of Sept. 11, 2001, were as stated on the screen. It was a year before David Ray Griffin, an eminent liberal theologian and philosopher, began his stroll down the path of disbelief. He wondered why Bush listened to a child's story while the nation was attacked and how Osama bin Laden, America's Public Enemy No. 1, escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. He wondered why 110-story towers crashed and military jets failed to intercept even one airliner. He read the 9/11 Commission report with a swell of anger. Contradictions were ignored and no military or civilian official was reprimanded, much less cashiered. "To me, the report read as a cartoon," Griffin said. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives." Such as? "There was massive complicity in this attack by U.S. government operatives." If that feels like a skip off the cliff of established reality, more Americans are in free fall than you might guess. There are few more startling measures of American distrust of leaders than the extent of belief that the Bush administration had a hand in the attacks of Sept. 11 to spark an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. 36 percent suspicious A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 Americans found that 36 percent suspect the U.S. government promoted the attacks or intentionally sat on its hands. Sixteen percent believe explosives brought down the towers. Twelve percent believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. Distrust percolates more strongly near Ground Zero. A Zogby International poll of New York City residents two years ago found 49.3 percent believed the government "consciously failed to act." Establishment assessments of the believers tend toward the psychotherapeutic. Many academics, politicians and thinkers left, right and center say the conspiracy theories are a case of one plus one equals five. It's a piling up of improbabilities. Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, has studied the collapse of the twin towers. "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints," Eager says. "Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing — it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down." But the chatter out there is loud enough for the National Institute of Standards and Technology to post a Web "fact sheet" poking holes in the conspiracy theories and defending its report on the towers. Motley crew The loose agglomeration known as the "9/11 Truth Movement" has stopped looking for truth from the government. A cacophonous and free-range a bunch of conspiracists, they produce hip-hop inflected documentaries and scholarly conferences. The Web is their mother lode. Every citizen is a researcher. Did you see that the CIA met with bin Laden in a hospital room in Dubai? Check out this Pakistani site; there are really weird doings in Baluchistan ... Peter Knight, senior lecturer in American studies at the University of Manchester and editor of the 2002 book "Conspiracy Nation: The Politics of Paranoia in Postwar America," called the movement "a strange beast, an amalgam of elements. You've got the anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war crowd — you know, if they lied about the war, maybe they lied about 9/11. Another part is people merely interested in the anomalies, with no preconceived political agenda. "Then you have the more traditional right-wing conspiracy part of the continuum that believes a vast cabal has taken over the United States, the mega-conspiracy of the right's new world order. To them, all of these things are connected. Each group inserts 9/11 into its pre-existing conspiracy model." The academic wing is led by Griffin, who founded the Center for a Postmodern World at Claremont University; James Fetzer, a tenured philosopher at the University of Minnesota; and Daniel Orr, retired chairman of the economics department at the University of Illinois. Professor suspended The movement's de facto minister of engineering is Steven Jones, a tenured physics professor at Brigham Young University who has studied vectors and velocities and tested explosives and concluded that the collapse of the twin towers is best explained as controlled demolition, sped by a thousand pounds of high-grade thermite. Jones has been placed on paid leave while the Mormon-church-owned school investigates his claims, it was announced Friday. The physicist published his views two weeks ago in the book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out." Former Reagan aide Barbara Honegger is a senior military-affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School in California. She's convinced, based on her freelance research, that a bomb went off about six minutes before an airplane hit the Pentagon — or didn't hit it, as some believe the case may be. Then there's Morgan O. Reynolds, appointed by George W. Bush as chief economist at the Labor Department. He left in 2002 and doesn't think much of his former boss. "Who did it? Elements of our government and M-16 and the Mossad. The government's case is a laugh-out-loud proposition. They used patsies and lies and subterfuge and there's no way that Bush and Cheney could have invaded Iraq without the help of 9/11," Reynolds asserts. They are cantankerous and sometimes distrust each other — who knows where the double agents lurk? But unreasonable questions resonate with the reasonable. Colleen Kelly's brother, a salesman, had breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on Sept. 11. After he died she founded September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows to oppose the Iraq war. She lives in the Bronx and gives a gingerly embrace to the conspiracy crowd. "Sometimes I listen to them and I think that's sooooo outlandish and bizarre," she says. "But that day had such disastrous geopolitical consequences. If David Ray Griffin asks uncomfortable questions and points out painful discrepancies, good for him." Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," sold more than 100,000 copies and became a movement founding stone. Last year he traveled through New England, giving speeches. One evening in West Hartford, Conn., 400 mostly middle-aged and upper-middle-class doctors and lawyers, teachers and social workers sat waiting. Griffin took the podium and laid down his ideas with calm and cool. He concluded: "It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists. The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. No patience Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates, a Boston-based left-leaning think tank, is no fan of the 9/11 Commission. He believes a serious investigation should have led to indictments and the firing of incompetent generals and civilian officials. But he has no patience with the conspiracy theorists. "They don't do their homework; it's a kind of charlatanism," says Berlet. "They say there's no debris on the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but they base their analysis on a photo on the Internet. That's like analyzing an impressionist painting by looking at a postcard. "I love 'The X-Files' but I don't base my research on it. My vision of hell is having to review these [conspiracy] books over and over again." In the days after Sept. 11, experts claimed temperatures reached 2,000 degrees on the upper floors. Others claimed steel melted. Nope. What happened, says Eager, the MIT materials-science professor, is that jet fuel sloshed around and beams got rubbery. "It's not too much to think that you could have some regions at 900 degrees and others at 1,200 degrees, and that will distort the beams." The truth movement doesn't really care for Eager. A Web site casts a fisheye of suspicion at the professor and his colleagues. "Did the MIT have prior knowledge?" notes one chat room. "This is for sure another speculative topic ... " Professsor Jones' suspension was reported Friday by The Associated Press. Peter Knight was quoted by McClatchy Newspapers.
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#166. To: IRTorqued (#163)
Good one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. lol.......I would post that hillarious clip from Tommy Boy, but, alas, you know of my embedding woes. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Indeed. After you get that taken care of then you can post it, eh?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That thread you shut down at over one thousand posts was because ... FL did not come clean about himself (AND THE popcorn RABBLE_ROUSERS) after he begged and taunted AG for about 100 posts concerning an off-topic consideration. AG and I both and a few others (from time to time) tried to bring the thread back to the subject matter based on the article posted. Time and again... we were berated with insults, plagerized silly animated gifs and back stabbing unbecoming of the thread topic. Of course I finally got pissed off at 1200+ posts ... FL and his silly pals backed offed and repeatedly lied about FL's demands from post#527 to over post#900 ... wherein I had to PROVE that Hanjour was credentialed. And after that... it was deny, play, deny, play..... and denigrate what I had thought was an outstanding subject to portray the silly issue of the conspiracy. Look it all up yourself... to include when you remarcked to me "you were pwned."
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
there you go using words AGovshill and bucky won't understand, again. their school girl tears will be a deluge which in past cases have washed away entire threads. with the amount tooth gnashing they've done they will have but bony gums by tomorrow.
I don't know how replying to a post about "your boyfriend" with words like "circlejerk" or "fuckwit" is is any worse, than the original snide homoerotic remark that starts the exchange. On this thread, Post #23 starts the gaybanter. My response is Post #26. Post #27 follows up on Post #23 looking for an opening. My response is on Post #28, saying I'm noting for the record who starts these things. When I started posting on this subject a month ago, I made my position perfectly clear. There is a 911 connection with parts of the US MIC and Israel, but it goes through Saudia Arabia, Cairo, and Pakistan as well as Washington and Tel Aviv. And it's a far greater and more supportable position that those US MIC/Israel elements had some willing accomplices and only needed to look the other way to let their other side cohorts do the work both sides wanted to happen, for different reasons. Of course that isn't good anough for the 911 fanatics. They need to accuse everybody who doesn't subscribe to their theories 100% as being on the government side. I also continue to note with every post that Noam Chomsky states the 911 CT's take discourse into unproductive territories, which is why they're not seriously suppressed by the PTB. Of course the reflex response of the CT's is to trash Chomsky. Several people claiming to have bozoed buck and myself, nevertheless continue posting to his or my remarks on threads, either by claiming to look at replies to either of us whom they say they've bozoed, or looking at threads without logging in. People who say they'be bozoed someone should not be making any replies either direct or indirect. Anything else is lying and cheating.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- North Tower collapse from northeast * Why would the radio tower start to drop before the facade?
that is until he draws the connection between the quarter and his jiz dribbling bung.
Good one. How does this comment rate on your vulgarity scale?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about this comment. Where does it rate on ***vulgarity?***
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would hope that everyone concerned realizes that the endless posting on the same subject is slowly dragging 4um down. A little concern for the 4um and other posters is overdue. You are correct not my 4um but for my friends here, please show a little more respect for the rest of us.
hey bucky thanks for the new tag line.
they are vulgar. as i wrote on the other thread, the discussion has degenerated. if you all want to continue the exercise in futility, that's fine with me, but please do it without the vulgarity.
We have a serious disconnect... some of us want to believe in the TWOOFER_FAERIE™ and some of us want to believe in FACTS so as to enjoin the nation whole again. The 9/11 conspiracy theories remove our capability to change this nation. But one thing I know... whether anyone has seen it or cares, AG and I have some of the lowest index scores of being on 4um .. which means that opinions are considered..... when a grain of truth or falsehood is stated.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You are correct not my 4um but for my friends here, please show a little more respect for the rest of us. well said. i don't wish to stifle good debate, but when it breaks down into nothing but insult after insult, that's not constructive.
Why don't you pick on FL and O_I as a result? They have stymied free and consistent debate with Bullshit and subterfuge... lying their asses all the way to thread pandemonium.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I vote this one from AGAviator to me as the most vulgar: "From the thread history, it's very clear you "FUCKWITS, FUCKTARDS, and stupid fucks" start the name calling, then snivel and whine when you get repaid in kind. As for you personally, Circle Jerk Fag Hag, you have long ago forefeited any privileges being female by your own disrespect for others. Your role as a group cheerleader for a group of cowardly jerkoffs who hide behind banning filters, then take sneak peeks by looking at replies, makes you someone deserving of the type of rants Mel Gibson serves up to Oksana. Fuck you in your a$$, hypocritical Circle Jerk Fag Hag." Stop throwing stones you hypocrite. The difference between the other post and yours is that the other poster was JOKING while you are totally serious in your vulgar tirades.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Go research your own dirt, pal. And enjoy groveling in the same. Where's the proof? You said he did, so where's the evidence? bucky doesn't need proof he has government supplied talking points that to him and the other goofenheimer of the liar movement is all the evidence one should require.
A little concern for the 4um and other posters is overdue. You are correct not my 4um but for my friends here, please show a little more respect for the rest of us.us. Cyni, People are free to block the thread and/or any posters they don't like. Picture how many posts there would be if not for the 9/11 posts.
You're nuts.
i addressed my post to ALL, buck. i wouldn't characterize what they've written as lies. it's their own interpretation of evidence. as i said, you are never going to change each other's minds. i'm not going to go round and round with you on this. everyone, please, just do as i've requested and cease the vulgarity.
No FACTS, no EVIDENCE, no WITNESSES ... just pure gossip, BS and innuendo/poppycock as usual .. and you probably wonder why I rarely (if ever) reply to you. You are lost ... struggling to find a bit of truth. And, I can not help you.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
wud... Would you consider that the endless posting and language is driving people away? I come here frequently in the day, full page of same content, same few posters, I go elsewhere. I have been down this road before, have seen a good forum destroyed, by a handful of posters. I would disagree with you on this.
Your post wasn't to "ALL" at 181 it was to Cynicom. I replied to you @182 and now ... I am to blame ...
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
The problem of course is that your supposed debunking doesn't. The story it tells is that of an asymmetrical collapse, and yet we can see from the films of the building's collapse that is was uniform, symmetrical, inward (i.e., it imploded), and proceeding down into it's own footprint. While I will grant that some of the structure could have degraded the fires were neither hot enough nor widespread enough to account for any structural failures, and those failures are also explainable in the context of the explosions reported by Barry Jennings. Link To Firefighters for 911 Truth and an extensive selection of videos. The other problem with this story is that a normal catastrophic collapse of a structure will proceed in the direction of primary failure i.e., it begins its collapse at the point of first failure and proceeds in that direction (an object in motion tends to stay in motion and in the direction it was traveling barring the imposition of another directed force.) So a primary failure at one point, even followed by another individual or two points of failure do not cause a uniform, symmetrical, collapse at near freefall (6.6 seconds from the initiation of the primary collapse and freefall is 6.0 seconds. So, less than a second's difference between the two.)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
samatter bucky can't hang with getting called on your BS claims? we'll know when liar movement goes under as there will be a back page report in a podunk newspaper about an unemployed goofenheimer committing suicide among a sea of popular mechanics 9-11 issues.
You are the people who start it. The manner and means I choose to reply are my business. You made a number of derogatory remarks, or cheered on others making derogatory remarks, before I even bothered to address any remarks to you. I can take the high road or the low road. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More selective quoting I see. #1177. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#1098) (Edited) Er, let's see who is it calling others FUCKWIT, FUCKTARD, stupid fuck.....yada, yada, yada. So let's see where the stink bomb throwing on this thread started, shall we? #41. To: buckeroo (#39) perfect, asswipe Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 20:14:03 ET #44. To: Rotara (#42) Lol.......I have a sinister plan to pay for all of that counseling. Draft a ten step plan: How to get onto Buck's Bozo Filter. Many at 4um will open their wallets happily for such a valuable, dare I say priceless, information. They will pay double if the plan applies to AGAviator. abraxas posted on 2010-07-17 20:20:34 ET #108. To: buckeroo (#104) wow and you learned how to use the blink tag too, that must be why they made you a ranking member of the liar movement you are a down right genieass. IRTorqued posted on 2010-07-18 0:36:32 ET #117. To: AGAviator (#116) ... Shit, if you can't even watch the f'n video where the eye witnesses will tell you exactly what you are asking of me, then you are hopeless and you really don't want any answers to the questions you pose. The witnesses clearly articulate AN EXPLOSION.......watch for yourself or shut your pie hole. abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 1:14:15 ET #119. To: abraxas, AGAviator (#117) ... Objection your honor! There is no evidence that the accused puts pie in it. (I do so love double entendres.) ;-) Original_Intent posted on 2010-07-18 1:18:53 ET #127. To: AGAviator (#126) ... How can you simply lie like that on a public forum? As if others won't notice that your are blatantly dishonest. What a dork!! abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 2:48:06 ET #146. To: AGAviator (#142) I'm not interested in your dishonesty about the contents of the video. I know what the WITNESSES stated.......only you think you know more about what they witnessed despite being far, far away. ... YOU, nowhere near the buildings (kissing government ass in another state I suspect), claim that YOU know more about these explosions that frickin' EYE WITNESSES and people who WORKED in the buildings and people who SAVED LIVES on that day. YOU and the government can IGNORE them, but that only discredits your official bullshit story more. You run along and tell these people who were there that they are full of shit and only YOU know the truth of the matter. I know, not only are you a liar but you are also a coward who wouldn't say word one to them if you had them front and center, but it's real easy to talk shit about what they witnessed from such a distance. abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 15:53:33 ET #148. To: abraxas (#146) Good post, abraxas. James Deffenbach posted on 2010-07- 18 16:18:59 ET #157. To: buckeroo (#154) ... Photographic evidence and testimony from demo EXPERTS, not Internet bloviators, confirm that. abraxas posted on 2010-07-18 17:06:12 ET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- must be a reply to bucky.
911 In Plane Site ~ Directors Cut 1:12:21 - 2 years ago Produced by Dave vonKleist & William Lewis Hosted by Dave vonKleist | Directed by William Lewis. What “In Plane Site” accomplishes that no other video expose’ on September 11th has to date, is it exposes the viewer to a barrage of news clips from a majority of the mainstream news outlets. The official story of that day was told on live TV by reporters, policemen, firefighters, and other on-the-scene eyewitnesses, however, that footage was shown only once on live television broadcasts in the first hours of the attacks and then… it was never repeated. The stories changed, information was enigmatically omitted, and what can only be described as officially prescribed propaganda took the place of indisputable reality.
I will no longer reply directly to any posts with insults or inappropriate language, and will not enagage in same myself. I will note any, citing this post, and also note 3rd hand replies from people claiming to have put either buck or myself onto bozo filter but continuing to reply to remarks we make. We'll see who breaks the rules and runs out of gas first.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enough with the lies. Nobody believes you. I wonder if you even believe yourself. Perhaps you truly are delusional. Please post all of these deragotory remarks and this supposed cheering. The last time you attempted to do this, you revealed that my posts, unlike yours, are not vulgar nor do they warrant your emotional tirades in response. Sheesh, you can't dish out anything that I can't take. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you can. You get all in a huffy, spit all over your monitor and commense in making a royal ass of yourself over the slightest remark that puts your inflated ego in check. You can't take the high road because you are TOO emotional, but you can take a midol. Enough with your lies and pretending to be a poor little victim. As if it isn't bad enough to be you, you can't even man up enough to understand that your bitching, whining, sniveling and pity party rants ad nausum are pathetic and NOBODY believes a word of it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
For general antagonistic attitude and creating dissent without contributing to the discussions on this site, your account has been closed. I've reviewed your past remarks, and you have ridiculed, defamed, and made rude remarks. Although I think you are intelligent, and capable of good research you are not using those skills in a way that promotes our Constitutional Republic, and in fact is more in line with harming same. I wish you well - but not on this website. Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-11-15 21:12:12 ET And your first post at LP.... You practice, promote and tolerate the rawest racial vilification of these people. Objet posted enough of your stomach-turners to make THAT point... You fling around vile personal attacks -- e.g., personally charging ME with "hating Jews" and hating YOU because you are a Jew... But then, in addition to your down-and-dirty resort to smears of anti-semitism, you also adopt the weepy-therapeutic-narcissistic vaporing of the Left -- namely: you were oh-so-offended and hurt and "personally attacked" by posts like mine that talk about Palestinian ambulances and medics have the hell shot out of them (and killed -- and beaten and tortured in alarming numbers -- by IDF war criminals... You prance and preen as a Joan of Arc seeking "truth" and combating "haters"...instead, you are a blatant censor and a vile racist (gotta look out for them "P's", remember) who cheerfully admits she censors. THEN you had the nerve to blast away all day yesterday about how these unnamed troglodyte "haters" on the other side -- presumably those who might post something critical of Israel and of your hero, Ariel Sharo Same ol' stuff, different site, eh Jaunty? AGAviator posted on 2002-08-26 16:52:15 ET There is no question that you have capability and know your stuff.... but will anyone research your posts? Will anyone care to realize that on LP you were tried and convicted of objective opinions based on both MadDog and yukon with hostess, there. You are an outstanding poster, AG... I don't give a damn what the others say about ya.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
lol......must be. Those two can't even craft a post without the other one following up with some brown nosing about it, then blather on about what victims they are and how smart they think they are. It's sort of creepy.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
See Post #198. I'll give you a pass on this one because you likely didn't have the time to read my post. Even though you are not setting any kind of example yourself. From now on, however, you will be called on any and every failure to observe proper forum decorum.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are an outstanding poster, AG... I don't give a damn what the others say about ya. Sheesh, buck, have you no shame? Can't you post this sychophant butt kissing on the PM? You two look like idiots fawning over one another ad nauseum. Not that I care, but, egads, try to muster up an iota of dignity. And the answer is: NO, NOBODY WILL CARE, NOBODY WILL RESEARCH THE POSTS.......only you buck--you are the wind beneath AG's wings.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What is vulgar about my post? It's full of facts. I was attempting to help you salvage an iota of dignity.....guess I was too late. You know, it's really bad when you have pushed me to pity you. Go ahead and call on, AG. Knock your socks off. I think trying to help you salvage an iota of dignity is above and beyond proper forum decorum.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You two look like idiots fawning over one another ad nauseum. Not that I care, but, egads, try to muster up an iota of dignity Continuing your obsessive, vulgar, and pathological attacks after being asked by the forum manager in Post #187 40 minutes ago to give it a rest, I see.
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"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#167. To: James Deffenbach (#165)
#168. To: abraxas (#167)
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OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#169. To: christine, AGAviator (#164)
#170. To: Original_Intent (#82)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#171. To: buckeroo, christine (#160)
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it wasn't FL and OI who were using the most vulgar language.
Why don't you all agree that you're never going to change each other's minds on 9/11 and either bozo each other or go on to other topics?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#172. To: christine, Original_Intent, *9-11* (#169)
This 29-second video shows the top of the North Tower from the northeast, with the collapse staring about 16 seconds into the video. It shows that the radio tower starts to descend about a second before the facade stards to move. The clip is from WTC: The First 24 Hours
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#173. To: James Deffenbach (#166)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#174. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#171)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#175. To: christine, buckeroo (#166)
when he wakes up in the morning he uses the quarter found in his teeth as proof some one loves him.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#176. To: christine (#173)
that is until he draws the connection between the quarter and his jiz dribbling bung.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#177. To: christine, All (#157)
if that's not possible and the gross ad homs continue, i'll lock down this thread too.
#178. To: buckeroo, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#127)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#179. To: AGAviator, ALL (#176)
#180. To: AGAviator, christine (#176)
#181. To: Cynicom (#177)
A little concern for the 4um and other posters is overdue.
#182. To: christine, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, pilots with no compass (#181)
i don't wish to stifle good debate, but when it breaks down into nothing but insult after insult, that's not constructive.
#183. To: AGAviator, Christine (#176)
How about this comment. Where does it rate on ***vulgarity?***
#184. To: wudidiz, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#153)
Please list every instance where I have engaged in the kind of common vulgarity to which you are prone.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#185. To: Cynicom, christine, All (#177)
I would hope that everyone concerned realizes that the endless posting on the same subject is slowly dragging 4um down.
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#186. To: buckeroo, christine (#180)
The 9/11 conspiracy theories remove our capability to change this nation.
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#187. To: buckeroo (#182)
#188. To: IRTorqued (#184)
bucky doesn't need proof he has government supplied talking points that to him and the other goofenheimer of the liar movement is all the evidence one should require.
#189. To: all (#188)
#190. To: wudidiz (#185)
Cyni, People are free to block the thread and/or any posters they don't like. Picture how many posts there would be if not for the 9/11 posts.
#191. To: christine, Cynicom (#187)
i addressed my post to ALL, buck.
#192. To: AGAviator (#72)
#193. To: buckeroo (#188)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#194. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#183)
Stop throwing stones you hypocrite
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#195. To: abraxas (#183)
(Edited)
From the thread history, it's very clear you "FUCKWITS, FUCKTARDS, and stupid fucks" start the name calling, then snivel and whine when you get repaid in kind.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#196. To: abraxas (#194)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#197. To: Dakmar (#0)
#198. To: christine, buckereoo (#187)
everyone, please, just do as i've requested and cease the vulgarity.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#199. To: AGAviator (#194)
You are the people who start it. The manner and means I choose to reply are my business.
#200. To: AGAviator (#175)
#494. To: AGAviator, LP Banning notice. (#480)
#265. To: JauntyBeesting (#246)
#201. To: IRTorqued (#196)
#202. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#199)
As if it isn't bad enough to be you, you can't even man up enough to understand that your bitching, whining, sniveling and pity party rants ad nausum are pathetic and NOBODY believes a word of it.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#203. To: buckeroo, AGAviator (#200)
There is no question that you have capability and know your stuff.... but will anyone research your posts? Will anyone care to realize that on LP you were tried and convicted of objective opinions based on both MadDog and yukon with hostess, there.
#204. To: AGAviator (#202)
#205. To: abraxas, christine, buckeroo (#203)
(Edited)
Can't you post this sychophant butt kissing on the PM?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#206. To: AGAviator, christine, IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, buckeroo, abraxas, all (#175)
How does this comment rate on your vulgarity scale?
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